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[Iamnuts]

[bistander]

Go for it

Here goes again.

Your generator claim.

Just want to point out that my generator puts out between 1800-2000 watts while running on a STOCK electric motor that requires 240 watts input.

Your motor power claim.

... How can the power out of the motor be higher than the power into the motor?

Don't like the power supply? Here's Tinman using a battery. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBuWQni0znU

Your reply to my quoted post directly above. Clearly we are talking about power.

put out more than comes in when directly connected to ONE battery? ...

And when I talk about power into the motor and power out of the motor I am talking electrical power, which ONLY happens when you run between the positives. ...

And your battery systems; never did care about those and think I just mentioned it once where I quoted another member.

You'll notice that I kept my nose out of all his battery system threads. I just don't care about those. What interests me and where I chimed in is when he claims a motor with more output power than input power or his 1800 watt out, 300 watt in generator/motor combo.

Turion referring to the quote above (bolded).

I think right there you confirm you did in fact claim a motor with more output power than input power. But what really interests me and caused me to press for proof was your public claim of 1800 watt output power using less than 300 watts input power generator. A machine that can do that equates to two horsepower free of any fuel and zero emissions. Net 1.5kW continuously. World be saved.

I'll gladly go to court with you to see that. Sue away.

bi

[bistander]

Truth

Possibly because you said all of the following: ...

All of which I would have never said had you simply backed up you claims of having a motor with higher output power than input power and a generator which produced 1800 watts output while using less than 300 watts input. But you chose to insult and ridicule me.

I'll be more than happy to retract those statements and apologise publicly once you prove those claims.

Can you say libel and defamation of character?

I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it is libel if it is true. Truth in this case is that you do not have a motor which outputs greater power than it uses and you do not have and never did have a generator which produces 1800 watts output while using less than 300 watts of input power.

Regards,

bi

[bistander]

Mystery to me

All I did was to ask this guy to back up his claim with proof or evidence. Why does he think I want to attack him?

[lotec]

I was having a similar discussion with a friend of mine where I asked him why the siicon chip magazine's kttset project, for tuning a petrol motor, in terms of mixture, used a Boshe oxygen sensor, with leds. Wouldn't it be more accurate to use a sensor to detect unspent hydrocarbons.

He seemed to think that it was a coverup, and it would be better to run the engine leaner, and cool the valves with a watermist injection, rather than unspent gasoline. Is there unspent gasoline in the exhaust? Or how much? I really don't know these things.

My old campervan was duel fuel. It ran on lpg and petrol (gasoline). Bit by bit I replaced the entire system, except for the tank. and spent quite a few hours twiddiling the different knobs and stuff, trying to get the most grunt out of it. The mixer was heated by hot water from the motor, on it's way to the radiator. They say here in Ozzy that nearly all the lpg is burnt, but the valves are burnt out quicker, than using petrol. but you can buy upper cylinder lubricant injection kits.

Towards the end, it would only run on lpg. It was very old and the motor was shot, when I started running it on petrol, with an onboard hydrolizer unit. under those circumstances, it probably pays not to press too hard on the accerator when driving around town.

[mikrovolt]

There is a slight warming needed at times at the LNG regulator near the engine intake. Years ago the regulators would form ice on the outside of the regulator and inside caused a constriction so they would use a small heater blanket on the tank and around the regulator stem. This was known as an evaporator and the name remained. The term evaporator today has a wide variety of functional types.

when life was simple you needed a warmer at times.

http://www.lampworketc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=132960&stc=1&d=1357503412

The diesel engine cost is more expensive because it needs higher compression parts so why use diesel ? true it is not as cost effective to run a diesel engine on a single fuel liquid natural gas system unless the project is very large.
At least this has been the case from what we understand.

[terence123]

Lpg setups in car are always near of that of gasoline systems (mileage). But if look to a cooking set (most of households in my country uses lpg) there is no watercooling, the liquid lpg comes out of the bottle and is ignited at the cookingpoint (pit). The lpg evaporator in a car is watercooled by the car's cooling circuit, indicating a different setup. In my eyes to get still a lot of liquid gas passed that point of the evaporator to setup a wasteful system. So the difference of a cookinggas evap. Is very different that a car setup. So what would happenif the cooking set evap. Would be used in a car? Or something like it...?

[Sawt2]

Hi All,
I'm new to this thread but saw it is open for ideas, so here is mine:
I read about all this hi mileage carbs (pogue etc.) And all the stories, before all the additives to the gasoline, about how gasification of liquid fuel will/would extend mileage dramatically.
Now with lpg having only a slightly lower btu than gasoline and lpg actually having easy cheap options for turning it into a gas (from cooking sets) it should be not too difficult to setup a hi mileage lpg-carb.
I assume that a normal lpg conversion of a car is similar to gasoline, in that it is set way too rich to keep it close to the mileage of gasoline.
With all the problems of "cracking" liquid fuel into a useful gas that could be solved with letting lpg become a complete gas. Millions of household use this in their kitchen. So safety can be overcome. And, as an additional advantage, with a dedicated carb doing this, it can be used as an aircon too (since propane boils at -38deg C) making the compressor in the car obsolete.
Anyone having any comments/ideas on this?
Terence

Here in America, they do have many vehicles that run on lp. I personally do not know about there efficiency. They also run vehicles on natural gas too.

[terence123]

Why is lpg not utilised as a vapor in a car?

Hi All,
I'm new to this thread but saw it is open for ideas, so here is mine:
I read about all this hi mileage carbs (pogue etc.) And all the stories, before all the additives to the gasoline, about how gasification of liquid fuel will/would extend mileage dramatically.
Now with lpg having only a slightly lower btu than gasoline and lpg actually having easy cheap options for turning it into a gas (from cooking sets) it should be not too difficult to setup a hi mileage lpg-carb.
I assume that a normal lpg conversion of a car is similar to gasoline, in that it is set way too rich to keep it close to the mileage of gasoline.
With all the problems of "cracking" liquid fuel into a useful gas that could be solved with letting lpg become a complete gas. Millions of household use this in their kitchen. So safety can be overcome. And, as an additional advantage, with a dedicated carb doing this, it can be used as an aircon too (since propane boils at -38deg C) making the compressor in the car obsolete.
Anyone having any comments/ideas on this?
Terence

[bistander]

Battery systems

Bi,
...
I did try and researched, and found that there really is something worth looking at the a pulse motor in a 3 battery arrangement.
...

I should mention too, that a single battery and a pulse motor with generator coils. Ala bedini style.. It is worth something, just not that something you could use large scale. But its still there, the concept that is the recovery of electrical energy after using it to generate mechanical motion

Ricards,

You'll notice that I kept my nose out of all his battery system threads. I just don't care about those. What interests me and where I chimed in is when he claims a motor with more output power than input power or his 1800 watt out, 300 watt in generator/motor combo.

Regards,

bi

[Iamnuts]

Congrats.

If their claims are true they've got about the most valuable device on the
planet. World fame assured!!!!!
Well done guys.
John.

[bistander]

What's wrong

...
There is nothing wrong about asking for proof, whats wrong is to ask it repeatedly to someone who clearly doesn't like you. ...

Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate your opinions.

What I believe is wrong is to repeatedly make the claim which is clearly wrong, false or mistaken. So I challenge BS. I ask intelligent pertinent questions, point out errors in logic, math and theory and request discussion. That is why they don't like me. I'm sure they do like those who agree with them and prefer to surround themselves with a fan club.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

Can't you tell?

Bi,

I dunno but I can clearly tell that He (turion) instinctively wants to tell what he knows yet his plans on his machine tells him not to.

I did try and researched, and found that there really is something worth looking at the a pulse motor in a 3 battery arrangement.

There is nothing wrong about asking for proof, whats wrong is to ask it repeatedly to someone who clearly doesn't like you. I know this a Open forum where an Open discussion should takes place, but see there are just some people who likes to draw little circles around them and shoo away those they don't like, they were Mean to you, you should've taken the hint.

I should mention too, that a single battery and a pulse motor with generator coils. Ala bedini style.. It is worth something, just not that something you could use large scale. But its still there, the concept that is the recovery of electrical energy after using it to generate mechanical motion

[bistander]

Answers

bi,

What benefit is there for us If we believe you?...

Hi ricards,

Thanks for the civil questions. Benefit? Fact. Truth. And please, don't just believe me. Look it up. Research it. Try it. At least think about it.

There is no "bad guys". just independent researchers who could not get along well.

Bad guys. Ever notice that I don't namecall and try to be polite. Bad guys were not the first words which came to mind, but I was hoping to make a point without falling to the level of Matt. He is outright vulgar.

I understand where you are standing, but to keep insisting for proof of someone who has a conflict of Interest isn't really smart.

Everytime I request proof of evidence is when Turion makes the claim of an over-unity machine. I honestly do not see what's wrong with that? After all these years of bad physics and bad math and excuses, anybody else starting to think they are mistaken about their claims? I do.

I don't understand what is the conflict of interest. Please explain.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

same question baack

..

You ever think that I am the voice of reason, logic, fact and truth and Turion and Matt are the bad guys?

Regards,

bi

bi,

What benefit is there for us If we believe you?...

There is no "bad guys". just independent researchers who could not get along well.

I understand where you are standing, but to keep insisting for proof of someone who has a conflict of Interest isn't really smart.