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[ricards]

here is a quote from one of my references.
"The spelling of the word A-e-t-h-e-r, indicates a redefining of this medium by starting over to the era of Descartes' Mechanicism, with the firm conviction that the human mind, which has evolved by the sensation of the mechanical world, can only comprehend nature through mechanical pictures or cannot comprehend it at all!. In this realm of Mechanicism, action at a distance is unthinkable and the only conceivable transmission of force from one body to another is through bodily contact through collision. motion can only be caused by motion and can only produce motion in turn".

I dunno what the problem.. sorry for triple post.. it doesn't let me post it all..

I know I'm in a really different language now.. so it is hard for me to communicate well.. and to make the point.
I have to make questions in order to form the logic. so it'd be easier than writing in a descriptive manner.

[ricards]

what of chemical energy?.. cause and effect.. fission, fusion.. If I fuse silicon would I also get a very large explosion?..

what of gravity?..
grasping a plenum universe with aether, flowing towards mass.. gives a picture in my head.. why does it flow there?.. a theory is aether is converted into another form of matter.. which coincidentally matches with current astronomy's theory of star aging.. (gets bigger)..

what of planets?..
earthquakes are effect of tectonic movements..
why does it move?.. explained above..

there is just too much to write on a single post..
these are all theories.. yess.. but there have been experimental verification.. and an alternate explanation of reality other than einstein's.
an explanation where you can actually draw the picture in your head.
and yes even energy..

so to answer the question, where do you get the free energy.. nowhere because we didn't really get any.. we just measured more at the output..
what are we measuring then?.. the mass's rate of change.. E=mc^2

[ricards]

Hard to tell when I don't know what you're saying.

What leads you to believe I think energy can only be used once? Where did I ever say that?

Why do you not answer my questions? You certainly load your posts with questions.

bi

sorry truncated post.. had errors. check out now.

in your question, you seem to be looking at the "Source" of the excess energy (free energy)..

instead of the just sticking to the first law of thermodynamics..
I added the logic of "Cause and Effect"

aether as matter..

the abstract thing called "energy"... is somewhat derived from the real constituents of reality..

Matter.

and its properties
Temperature.
Electric Potential.

whenever there is an Imbalance in the properties of matter, there is measurable energy.

whenever matter is in motion there is also measurable energy.

I really like the equation E=mc^2 when c is not the speed of light.. but the "Rate of change"...

[bistander]

???? Questions

yeah I think we don't..
...
I have quoted my self.. which part is contradicting?..

Hard to tell when I don't know what you're saying.

What leads you to believe I think energy can only be used once? Where did I ever say that?

Why do you not answer my questions? You certainly load your posts with questions.

bi

[boguslaw]

Finally somebody found it ! Almost every famous OU devices from the past tap Earth magnetic field, in a manner similar to heat pump or rather in a manner heap pumps should operate but their construction do not allow such mode of operation. What people didn't realized is that this process is the only solution to global climate change problem, but also to global free electricity (which is why it's suppressed). We missed the opportunity to get back to right track in 2012.

[ricards]

too much.

Where do you get your free energy?

I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Every post from you contradicts your prior post. And who didn't I believe? Turion? You believe he has a 1800W out/300W in generator?

yeah I think we don't..

to you tapping the aether seems to be free energy..

mine isn't.. I have been reading a dozen of aether related theories and papers..

The poison in your mind is that "The Energy" must come from somewhere.. It must have a "Source".. like it is something "Consumable"..
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed according to conventional science and physics.. what makes you think it can only be used once?..
you just need to find how..

....

I'm more willing in believing the excess energy and investigate it by experiment than believe what I'm told.
so far.. It really looks like the excess energy is real. but not because it was created.. just not accounted for.
Energy doesn't really look like a FIXED Quantity..
more like only the "Quantity" something that you can quantify.. but really not a something...

I have quoted my self.. which part is contradicting?..

[bistander]

What?

tap the aether?.. who said anything about that? ...

You didn't understand?
I just changed the words.. COP>1.. free energy... etcc..
I just don't use those because most people like yourself is very sensitive to that..
...

Where do you get your free energy?

I don't think we're speaking the same language here. Every post from you contradicts your prior post. And who didn't I believe? Turion? You believe he has a 1800W out/300W in generator?

[ricards]

Did you ever consider by the time you figure how to tap the aether, the planet could be dead from man's mismanagement of energy? Improving our methods may be a better way to new discovery and curtail environmental destruction while doing so.

I don't understand your problem with heating the environment. It's a fact. Unless you're running cogeneration using that heat for something useful, it is wasted.

Regards,

bi

tap the aether?.. who said anything about that?..

have a look at that bold part of your statement..
management of energy.. yeah that's the one.. don't you think someone already did that?.. oh yeah you didn't believe him.. too bad you didn't get along well..

you could have been the 3rd party verifier of that system.
but that's all finished.

I don't have a problem with heating the environment..
I can't just accept it like that because it doesn't FIT the first law of thermodynamics.. if the planet is heating up where is the heat getting out?.. we have been using tremendous amount of energy and most say there are losses and those are HEAT. yet we still have the north pole and south pole ICE. oh and yeah it's still cold at night..

you may say what kind of reason is that?.. right?..
well I could say the same thing about heating the environment?..
where is all the heat being converted to?.. evaporation?... great.. but not convincing..

[spacecase0]

any one know what a heat pipe is ?
go look at the earth in that aspect

[bistander]

Like the LED?

no you're kidding me!

thermoelectric?

efficiency is what?..

..


piezoelectric?

Efficiency?..

where does the other mechanical, stress, vibration, energy, etc.. go?...

...
back in the old days they say LED can only be used as indicators..
well luckily someone did not listen and the reason why we are using LED lighting in homes now.

Did you ever consider by the time you figure how to tap the aether, the planet could be dead from man's mismanagement of energy? Improving our methods may be a better way to new discovery and curtail environmental destruction while doing so.

I don't understand your problem with heating the environment. It's a fact. Unless you're running cogeneration using that heat for something useful, it is wasted.

Regards,

bi

[spacecase0]

You didn't understand?
I just changed the words.. COP>1.. free energy... etcc..
I just don't use those because most people like yourself is very sensitive to that..

no you're kidding me!

thermoelectric?

efficiency is what?..

so where is the other heat been transformed?.. oh I know at the other side.. of the thermocouple..
don't you think that the electric current was because of the effect of heat conduction?... as the temperature balances in a system?

piezoelectric?

Efficiency?..

where does the other mechanical, stress, vibration, energy, etc.. go?..

heating the environment?..

that is the usual escape!.. just to fit the theory (fact for you).

If you're happy with that.. well good for you..
no more worries..
no more problem..
no more guts to use, thus no more glory to earn..

reading the history of physics,
at one point everyone was all excited about nuclear magnetic resonance being the free energy of the future
I still wonder how this is not free energy
and if that is possible, what else is possible ?

[ricards]

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OK. Whatever. I don't understand "excess energy". Like too much fun? Or extra money? Or she's too good lookin'? I think there's adequate energy. Man just needs to manage it better.... A lot friggin' better.

Regards,

bi

You didn't understand?
I just changed the words.. COP>1.. free energy... etcc..
I just don't use those because most people like yourself is very sensitive to that..

no you're kidding me!

thermoelectric?

efficiency is what?..

so where is the other heat been transformed?.. oh I know at the other side.. of the thermocouple..
don't you think that the electric current was because of the effect of heat conduction?... as the temperature balances in a system?

piezoelectric?

Efficiency?..

where does the other mechanical, stress, vibration, energy, etc.. go?..

heating the environment?..

that is the usual escape!.. just to fit the theory (fact for you).

If you're happy with that.. well good for you..
no more worries..
no more problem..
no more guts to use, thus no more glory to earn..

[bistander]

Energy and stuff

Bi,

are you sure you're not forgetting something?...

No, I didn't.

It's the very important part of the generator..

Of course the electric generator uses magnetism.

Can you really "Convert" or "Transform" the Mechanical Energy to Electrical Energy without magnetism?..

In fact you can.

without magnetism.. where is the "Transformation of Energy" from mechanical to electrical?..

Pretty much every electric generator you could possibly use a diesel engine to power uses magnetism. It's a assumed fact. Didn't think I needed to mention it.

didn't you notice?.

You're kidding.

there really is no DIRECT relation or conversion of mechanical energy to electrical?.. you need magnetism to do it..

Magnetism is most common. But piezoelectric is another way. Or thermocouple will convert heat directly to electricity.

the matter to energy conversion really is looking like an escape route to back-up the accepted laws of thermodynamics..

I don't follow. Pretty much every joule can be accounted for using conventional physics in the diesel electric example.

where does all the "Wasted" heat goes?..

Obviously into the environment.

if the sun is also heating us up.. oh I know.. "Global Warming".. GREAT!..

I'm not against any of that.. I'm just not contented with the way things are explained..

Sorry about that. I was just trying to help.

I'm more willing in believing the excess energy and investigate it by experiment than believe what I'm told.
so far.. It really looks like the excess energy is real. but not because it was created.. just not accounted for.
Energy doesn't really look like a FIXED Quantity..
more like only the "Quantity" something that you can quantify.. but really not a something...

OK. Whatever. I don't understand "excess energy". Like too much fun? Or extra money? Or she's too good lookin'? I think there's adequate energy. Man just needs to manage it better.... A lot friggin' better.

Regards,

bi

[ricards]

Hi ricards,

Good example. The diesel fuel is altered changing its molecular structure releasing heat, or as some would say, converting stored chemical energy into thermal energy. This thermal energy is converted into mechanical energy by the engine. The engine is only about 20-30% efficient, meaning for every kilowatt of mechanical power transferred by the shaft to the load, 3 or 4 kilowatts of power is wasted in the form of heat and managed by the radiator/coolant system. The shaft power is transmitted to the electric generator where it converts that mechanical power to electric power and used to drive the electric load and do useful work.

When you disconnect the electric load, no useful work is being done and output power in the efficiency equation becomes zero, so efficiency, output power divided by input power, is equal to zero. If the diesel engine continues to run, it continues to consume fuel converting it into heat. The shaft continues to rotate but without a resisting torque. So all the energy derived from the fuel and converted to heat is wasted, hence zero efficiency, or no useful work done. Less fuel is likely to be consumed at no load and most gen sets will slow down to idle when at no load reducing fuel consumption further, but what ever RPM, still zero efficient.

You mentioned kinetic energy. That only comes into play with a change in speed.

And I ask if the 1500 watts is real.

Regards,

bi

Bi,

are you sure you're not forgetting something?...
It's the very important part of the generator..

Can you really "Convert" or "Transform" the Mechanical Energy to Electrical Energy without magnetism?..

without magnetism.. where is the "Transformation of Energy" from mechanical to electrical?..

didn't you notice?.
there really is no DIRECT relation or conversion of mechanical energy to electrical?.. you need magnetism to do it..


the matter to energy conversion really is looking like an escape route to back-up the accepted laws of thermodynamics..

where does all the "Wasted" heat goes?.. if the sun is also heating us up.. oh I know.. "Global Warming".. GREAT!..

I'm not against any of that.. I'm just not contented with the way things are explained..

I'm more willing in believing the excess energy and investigate it by experiment than believe what I'm told.
so far.. It really looks like the excess energy is real. but not because it was created.. just not accounted for.
Energy doesn't really look like a FIXED Quantity..
more like only the "Quantity" something that you can quantify.. but really not a something...

[ricards]

Virtually all the energy in our world comes from the Sun.
Food, oil, wind and hydro, it's from the sun.
There is a bit of nuclear and a tiny bit from the ground and that's it.
Apart from a 3BGS can anyone think of anything else?
John.

perhaps it would be fair to ask..
do you have proof that virtually all the energy is from the sun?..

or did you just believe what you've been told?..

that's not a fact until proven.. still only a theory..