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[bistander]

No thinking allowed

Guys,

Since I am NOTNOT take part in your NEVER ENDING arguments about formulas and the like.

To me, the issue is very clear.
Those who argue have ZERO understanding of this subject.
Period.
End of story.

From now on, all I will do is look out for your announcements about YOUR WORKING free energy machines!

Cheers,
Les Banki

So Les appears to say no thinking, no questions and no discussion. You have to just build it, even though you'll end up with a pile of useless junk. Seems odd he comes to a discussion board and refuses to engage in a civil discussion which I have attempted nicely. Since Les is a DOER, you'd think he'd have that teeter-totter generator about ready to start delivering free energy. So how about it Les? Show us what you have.

Regards,

bi

[Les Banki]

Guys,

Since I am NOTNOT take part in your NEVER ENDING arguments about formulas and the like.

To me, the issue is very clear.
Those who argue have ZERO understanding of this subject.
Period.
End of story.

From now on, all I will do is look out for your announcements about YOUR WORKING free energy machines!

Cheers,
Les Banki

[bistander]

Still Force?

I think you are correct F=M*A The equation I was thinking of is E=1/2M*V^2.
Energy (kinetic)=1/2Mass * Velocity Squared. Energy in Joules is equal to 1/2 of Mass in kilograms times velocity in meters per second squared.

The E=MV^2 is a hybrid somehow of E=MC^2 and E=1/2MV^2.

There is no "hybrid" energy equation. And besides he was using Force in his wrong equation, not Energy.

bi

[gsmsslsb]

F = M * a. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Can we agree on that? It is known as Newton's second law of motion. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Acceleration has units of m/s^2, or meters per seconds squared. A Force of one Newton equals one kilogram times a meter divided by one second squared. N = kg*m*s^-2.

Your equation of F = M * v^2 units reduce to kg*(m/s)^2 or kg*m^2/s^2 or kg*m^2*s^-2.

Obviously units are different between your equation and Newton's. I say Sir Newton is correct and you are wrong.

Your turn. Prove your equation correct.

Note: I have used upper case M for mass and lower case m for unit of meter to avoid confusion between the two.

Regards,

bi

I think you are correct F=M*A The equation I was thinking of is E=1/2M*V^2.
Energy (kinetic)=1/2Mass * Velocity Squared. Energy in Joules is equal to 1/2 of Mass in kilograms times velocity in meters per second squared.

The E=MV^2 is a hybrid somehow of E=MC^2 and E=1/2MV^2.

[bistander]

Force

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In order to avoid further misunderstandings, this is where I stand.....
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So, I never had any problems with mathematics.There is free energy. This is called movement.

What needs to be discussed is the electricity that we use, not the "energy" that remains undefined, as all matter is energy.

The relative function is E=MV squared. This is electricity and the equal and opposite back emf reaction, which is a reaction to the displacement of gravity.
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Hi Les,

Your attempt to avoid further misunderstanding falls short with regards to the question of that incorrect equation from him, namely Force = Mass times Velocity squared. I see where he uses an Energy equation. But see no mention of Force. Perhaps you could explain in your own words as I did to express the reason I claimed it was wrong at the request of Mr. gsmsslsb.

Thanks in advance,

bi

[Les Banki]

several hundred times from my 'dropbox')

So, I never had any problems with mathematics.NOT about my design.

Kevin HayNO, he did NOT ask me to do this!

There is something else you need to know about Kevin, if you want to understand him!

IF you had direct access to FB, you would have discovered this very quickly.

ORMUS.

In one of my emails to Kevin I mentioned that I was very familiar with it, having studied it EXTENSIVELY back in 1995, it was called ORME then.
(Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements)
Then he opened right up and sent me the following email:

Hey Les,

David Hudson knows little of these materials, as he does not ingest them or use these to enhance cognitive attraction for the information that spins around us.
It is unfortunate that he spent over 7 million dollars and failed to find an energetic solution.

Ormus materials show us how to induce planetary movement.
They show us how to transfer inertial compression dynamics from one space to another.

Ormus increases vacuum induction reactions, through phase resonant compression.

Ormus explains solar reactions, how light is induced and it shows us electro-gravitational potential, not through meta-dynamics but through the torsion induced inversion of an electrostatic function, namely gravitation.

I discovered these materials through an out of body experience.

The information that I found surrounding these materials was not accurate.

David Hudson buried these reactions under religious dogma and failed to understand the potential, or how to tap this and use it.
A profound mistake, especially for a farmer.

I decided to apply this to horticulture. This increased yields and provided a revenue stream.
I am using this revenue stream to test and design mechanical devices and apply these to electromagnetic induction mechanics.
This allows us to use our solutions for production. Maintain them. Expand them.

There is free energy. This is called movement.

What needs to be discussed is the electricity that we use, not the "energy" that remains undefined, as all matter is energy.

The relative function is E=MV squared. This is electricity and the equal and opposite back emf reaction, which is a reaction to the displacement of gravity.

Hydrodynamic reactions explain this. Falling water shows us how to electrify this.

David Hudson could have spent this money in engineering, as this would have allowed him to move forward and change the world.
David did not have the language or the understanding, so it is left to others, like myself, to share this effectively, and do this in a manner that allows others to understand, test and use these reactions, and sustain them.

Ormus allowed me to expose the fabric of space, and provide methods of testing my thesis.

Space is composed of diatomically opposed hydrogen in stasis, an electromotively induced inversion of atomic wave functions, these spinor scalar torsion functions.
Moving through space inverts this field, collapsing the inverted material by magnetically attracting the hydrogen through phase conjugation.
This is what induces the light reaction.
Hydrogen fusion is how light is formed, how matter is formed, how electricity is induced.

There will be a lot coming out over the next 15 years.
If you do not take ormus, I would suggest starting, as this can reverse aging and heal issues that have begun to spread inside of you.
These elements will remove viral antibodies, bacterium, GMO matter, aluminium and other toxic material from your body.
This will allow your body's organs to heal and detoxify.

Cheers,
Kevin

OK.
Know that Kevin Hay owns and operates 'Vancouver Island Ormus', making his own ORMUS by using electromagnetic separation methods.
Needless to say, he is not only ingesting it himself since the 29th of February 2012 but also feed it to his PLANTS and his dogs!
You can see all the pictures on his FB page!

Well, perhaps I should add that I am also 'taking' ORMUS. (with great effects!)
Are you surprised?

(NO, I did NOT buy it from Kevin since the freight charges to Australia are EXORBITANT!!)

Cheers,
Les Banki

[citfta]

Hi guys,

I think I understand the points both of you are trying to make. Les, as bistander has said we both have been here for a pretty good while. I respect his ability when it comes to the math. He and I both try to point out the mistakes that are sometimes made by people trying to show what they have. There is no deliberate effort to be a naysayer just for the purpose of being negative. We both have commented many times on mistakes we see in order to help people better understand what is going on with their projects.

Now, having said that, I am intrigued by this idea. I have seen videos before that show the tremendous forces created by an out of balance wheel. I believe it is possible that this device might be able to do more than would normally be expected. My experience has been that some inventors just have an intuitive ability to design and build without being able to accurately describe what is going on with their project. I believe bistander is correct about the math. However that only means the inventor didn't know how to properly explain what is going on. I don't believe simple math can explain this device because of the swinging arm. The high level calculus that would be needed to accurately describe the forces are way beyond my ability as I have totally forgotten what little I used to know about calculus.

I am going to keep an open mind about this project until I see a build that can show the input and output power that is able to be measured accurately.

Respectfully to both of you,
Carroll

[Les Banki]

Does your deep spiritual insight tell you follow and believe Kevin Hay rather than Isaac Newton? Good move.

bi

bistander,

Yes, ABSOLUTELY.
And this will end our brief "exchange", bistander!
Have a nice day!

Cheers,
Les Banki

[bistander]

Childish?

bistander,

Thank you for confirming my suspicion and as a bonus, revealing your rather childish mentality displayed in your response for all to see!

Since this is all about Kevin Hay and his work, I let him respond in form of his FB post today.

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No Les, it was about what you posted and the subject which you appear to support and promote. I answered your question and ask several of you. But you choose not to answer and instead post fb garbage. Can you not think for yourself? Does your deep spiritual insight tell you follow and believe Kevin Hay rather than Isaac Newton? Good move.

bi

[Les Banki]

I can see a flawed equation and a stupid scheme which I know will not work. Why would I spend effort and resources trying it?
Regards,

bi

https://www.vancouverislandormus.net/shop/

[bistander]

Force

You say that F=mv^2 is false. Could you explain that. What do you think F= in terms of movement and velocity. and why do you think the current equation is false.
Not trying to criticise just to clarify

F = M * a. Force is equal to mass times acceleration. Can we agree on that? It is known as Newton's second law of motion. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. Acceleration has units of m/s^2, or meters per seconds squared. A Force of one Newton equals one kilogram times a meter divided by one second squared. N = kg*m*s^-2.

Your equation of F = M * v^2 units reduce to kg*(m/s)^2 or kg*m^2/s^2 or kg*m^2*s^-2.

Obviously units are different between your equation and Newton's. I say Sir Newton is correct and you are wrong.

Your turn. Prove your equation correct.

Note: I have used upper case M for mass and lower case m for unit of meter to avoid confusion between the two.

Regards,

bi

[gsmsslsb]

Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi

You say that F=mv^2 is false. Could you explain that. What do you think F= in terms of movement and velocity. and why do you think the current equation is false.
Not trying to criticise just to clarify

[gsmsslsb]

contact les or kevin

Hey Les
I sent you an email from this site did you receive.
I would like to phone or Skye you if poss.
Could you private message me some contacts phone number email or something.
I have tried something close to this before and would like to discuss with someone before going again.
Thanks gsm

[bistander]

Kevin is stupid

WHY not YOU???what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already

Thanks for the reply Les.

2 + 2 = 5. That's my new discovered equation. So take 2 dollar bills and put them with another 2 dollar bills. Now you have 5 dollar bills. Take 2 of the dollars away and then take 2 more dollars away. You have one dollar left. That is free money. Do that repeatedly a hundred times and you get $100 of free money.

Would you believe what I just wrote? Would you try the scheme?

That is what you're asking me to do. I can see a flawed equation and a stupid scheme which I know will not work. Why would I spend effort and resources trying it?

From what you relate, there are those who do believe Kevin. So my question is why haven't they built his free energy machine? Not doing something I know won't work is logical. Promoting something you do believe in and not doing it seems illogical to me.

As for my mention of citfta, it was just my way of saying hi to an old friend.

Regards,

bi

[Les Banki]

Hi Les,

Thanks for posting that stuff as I also refuse to subject myself to fb. I read over much of the long doc. link and the diagrams. Obvious question is what's stopping Mr. Hay or one of his fans from building the device and demonstrating free energy production? Also, maybe citfta figure this out. He seems to rely heavily on the equation F = m * v^2. Or Force equals Mass times Velocity squared. Which is incorrect.

Regards,

bi

WHY not YOU???what is stopping YOU to do just that??
I can tell you right now what it is: skepticism or disbelief which are usually the result of non-comprehension of the subject.

To sum it up: this is the general attitude virtually demanding to get served on a platter!!

I have one last question for you: If you had been ARRESTED 11 times already