Future Energy hydroxy cell

[lamare]

So I guess the question is, does the resulting gas evolved from a pulsing electrolyser some how contain the needed energy, and if so... where did it come from?

One of the most likely candidates for the origin of any excess energy in any free energy device is the electric field, as I explain in my article:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Prof. Turturs calculations (referenced in there) show without a shadow af a doubt that the electric field *is* an energy source. So, the question is not so much where the energy comes from, but how to get it.



In this article I describe how I think Meyer, Puharich *and* Gray did this, in principle. And as a matter of fact, *all* electrical circuits in the universe are actually powered by the electric field and *not* by chemical energy or something. Bearden has been saying this for years and he is right.

[Farrah Day]

If you boys haven't seen this you-tube video, it's a real eye-opener.

YouTube - HYDROGEN - 524 LITERS PER MINUTE

You should note however, that the guy is talking about hydrogen here, not hydroxy. Nevertheless, you can get a feel for the figures and you can see just how much more energy hydroxy would have to contain over straight hydrogen to meet the needs of an ICE.

So I guess the question is, does the resulting gas evolved from a pulsing electrolyser some how contain the needed energy, and if so... where did it come from?

[Farrah Day]

He says 316L in the video, which is stainless steel, which of course under normal conditions won't particularly corrode in water. Has anyone heard or seen mention of an electrolyte? Because I haven't.

It may be that at the extremely high current densities spoken about (and I see mention of 120+ amps now) that the stainless steel protective chromium layer simply can't uphold and iron within the alloy begins to react.

Q. What is the peak current to the HHO electrolyzer?

Nominally we run @ 55 amps when hot. When there is no pressure in the vessel, I run the cell @ 120amps to make pressure quickly---about 2 minutes from 0psi to 68psi, but this proto PWM has been oven tested at 110F @150A with no problems

There certainly are some intriguing things been said. The old resonance thing arises again, and yet again I have me doubts here.

The excited water molecules 2(H2O) now only require a fraction of the amperage to be converted into (2H2 + O2). Also experimentation of harmonic frequencies have produced interesting results, sometimes exceeding HHO production of the tubes at resonance. The vessel has a large inner and outer tube which is tuned 4 octaves lower than the outer tubes and has a clearance between the tubes of only 1mm. This tube produces the most heat and HHO. The smaller outer tubes have a 2mm clearance and run cooler and take less amperage and are mounted around the large tube assembly

The first sentence here I find odd, given that he has spoken of currents well in excess of 100 amps!

And then there's the resonance thing. In the video Freddy states that he is about to tune the tubes, but of course tuning two tube to resonate the same in air does not mean anything once you've put them in a vessel and added water. Frankly I can't see them resonating at all in the physical sense. This tuning issue is a real thorn in my side as I've never been able to follow the thinking behind it... no that's wrong, I should say, I've never been able to apply science to the thinking behind it.

Someone once mentioned that a standing wave was set up between the inner and outer tube, but a standing wave with a length of just a few millimetres would be have to be of a extraordinarily high frequency, and well outside of anything ever used in these devices.


And then there's this little mystery:

The epoxy used to seal the bottom inside of the vessel and bottom of the electrical enclosure is laced with ferrous oxide dust 10% by weight which creates an capacitor which smoothes out the square wave pattern to a sine wave pattern which helps the transition between off and on for the PWM. Experimentation with an air coil after the mosfet drivers and before the load also resulted in an increase of efficiency

The epoxy used to seal and set the tubes is laced with... rust! Which... creates a capacitor? Why...what? I don't know, I just can't get my head around what that is all about, but it sounds more like it would create a resistor than a capacitor...

Got to say while I'm extremely intrigued by all this, I'm also more than a little baffled by it all.

Bring on the next instalment.

[Vickers]

I believe this.
Mainly because Fast Freddie clearly states in the video that the anode is sacrificial.
Which means it is likely not stainless steel.
Or if it is, he must be using a salt electrolyte.

[rick123]

Matt

William Rhodes stored hydroxy gas years ago and found then exactly what Ohmasa is finding now.

It's obviously new stuff to people that don't know much of the history of common duct electrolysis and hydroxy, but as a scientist Ohmasa must surely have done some research on the subject.

It's not that I'm poppooing anything so much as simply highlighting the fact that Ohmasa has nothing new that I can see. The agitator may make the electrolysis process a little more efficient by shifting the gas from the electrodes as it evolves and of course this will mean smaller bubbles within the liquid, but once evolved from the water we have a regular hydroxy stoichiometric mixture of 2H2 and O2. Plus the agitator itself will take some power.

I simply feel that it's been over-hyped as something new and incredible when it's not. You can fully expect this sort of super-hyped 'breaking news' nonsense from the dumb-ass reportors or garage tinkerers the likes of Denny Klein, but Ohmasa - by all accounts a reputable scientist - really should know better.

Sorry if you feel I'm a, know-it-all-puke - it's taken years of applying myself. I know how you feel though, I annoy myself sometimes too!

Incidentally, I've already got one of them electrolysers.

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Built mine up last year, but there are distinctive differences between Freddie's and mine.

That is some shiny steel FD, very nice......

[Farrah Day]

Here are some "update"
link: Update on Freddy: prototype 7, lab tour, forum

I too want to see some schematics of the new set up.

I personally wish he'd stuck to the truck. It's far more visually impressive powering a moving truck than a static generator, though I suppose he can more easily alter the loading to determine exact energy gains. Though my brain is telling me he can't do it, he won't do it, my heart is nevertheless really hoping he does.

I see we're already at the being shot at and possible poisoning stage - where have I heard all this before?

You can see what's going to happen here can't you - old Freddy is conveniently going to pop his clogs before he proves his claims.

[Farrah Day]

Matt

William Rhodes stored hydroxy gas years ago and found then exactly what Ohmasa is finding now.

It's obviously new stuff to people that don't know much of the history of common duct electrolysis and hydroxy, but as a scientist Ohmasa must surely have done some research on the subject.

It's not that I'm poppooing anything so much as simply highlighting the fact that Ohmasa has nothing new that I can see. The agitator may make the electrolysis process a little more efficient by shifting the gas from the electrodes as it evolves and of course this will mean smaller bubbles within the liquid, but once evolved from the water we have a regular hydroxy stoichiometric mixture of 2H2 and O2. Plus the agitator itself will take some power.

I simply feel that it's been over-hyped as something new and incredible when it's not. You can fully expect this sort of super-hyped 'breaking news' nonsense from the dumb-ass reportors or garage tinkerers the likes of Denny Klein, but Ohmasa - by all accounts a reputable scientist - really should know better.

Sorry if you feel I'm a, know-it-all-puke - it's taken years of applying myself. I know how you feel though, I annoy myself sometimes too!

Incidentally, I've already got one of them electrolysers.

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Built mine up last year, but there are distinctive differences between Freddie's and mine.

[eclipz]

Here are some "update"
link: Update on Freddy: prototype 7, lab tour, forum

[Matthew Jones]

Oh well you get alot out of it apparently.
I was under the impression he was claiming the gas was new do to the refinement through aggitation. It eliminated alot of the problem around storage, while acting the same as other HHO products. The fact that it could be stored instead of being produce on demand. And they were looking into even larger storage techniques.

But then again I don't speak Japanese so you must have been able to derive alot more than I would have. And of course your intelligence is superior to anybodies around here, I know this cause you tell us so often.

SO pardon me oh blessed one for pointing out yet another piece of useless information.

But I have to say I am glad the guy is a little coocoo and loves his bubbles. We actually might see some progress on one front or another from somebody like him. Lord know we won't see it from the "Know It All Pukes" in this place.

Matt

[Farrah Day]

Someone is jumping to conclusions here, must be the way it read.

Oddly enough Matt I can read and was fully aware that the guy writing the article was not Ohmasa himself, but some eccentric numb-nuts completely uneducated in electrolysis and the science behind Ohmasa's technology.

However, the guy in the video is clearly Ohmasa, who seems genuinely amazed by his new discovery. The fact that Ohmasa is a scientist apparently completely oblivious to the research that others have done before him, and that none of this is in fact new, is what I find most amazing of all.

It's like someone claiming to have discovered Tutankhamun's tomb, simply because they'd not researched the fact that Howard Carter did so in 1922.

So the question here is, what discovery has Ohmasa actually made?

Like others before him that guy Denny Klein also discovered hydroxy gas a few years ago before making the news with his incredible electrolysers. In fact everytime someone builds and electrolyser and ignites the resulting gases, it seems to make big news as if it's never been done before. New invention, new discovery, new gas, new fuel, the world is saved, blah, blah, blah. It just shows you how ignorant, naive and indeed gulible people are... time and time again.

Now we have 'Ohmasa Gas' to add to the list.

And if you understood Japanese you will have clearly heard Ohmasa talking to his water and telling his nano-bubbles that he loved them.

[Matthew Jones]

See if you take the time read the article and actually absorb the article, The scientist is not the one who is writing the letter its some spiritual guy with another name talking about scientist.

But thats what happens when you immediately decide someone is wrong or discredited based on your knowledge of things. You decide to see or read whatever it is you think it is, instead just evaluating it before you make an opinion.

But unfortunately that the scientific method of the day. If thats the way you chose to learn, Good luck in your work...

Matt

[rick123]

Hi Matt

I've seen this video before and I'm always amazed by how many variations of gas people seem to want to put their name to when water is dissociated. It would seem to me that the agitator merely helps in depolarising the electrodes to an extent, by more effectively removing the gases as they form.

It's all a bit of a joke really as everything he does and states is already known and has been done before. It's like the guy has lived in a bubble and is unaware of past research. As a scientist, I'm frankly amazed that he has not researched this more, otherwise he would be aware that he is in fact covering exactly the same ground as Rhodes, Brown, etc, and many people since who are using this gas to weld and cut claiming it to be their own invention. Ultimately, it's hardly breaking news.

However, what immediately puts me on the defensive with this guy, and indeed triggers my alarm bells, is when I read pieces like this:



So it appears that not only is water an intelligence, but it understands Japanese! Or perhaps it's bi-lingual and he spoke the words in English too.

Perhaps it's just me, but I find credibility tends to go out of the window when you start talking to water!

I have never seen this process before,thanks Mat. FD I thought the same thing as you when I read that part about love and gratitude, I rolled my eyes thinking "why ya got to ruin it for me?" Lmao..

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Matt...............
However, what immediately puts me on the defensive with this guy, and indeed triggers my alarm bells, is when I read pieces like this:.....
So it appears that not only is water an intelligence, but it understands Japanese! Or perhaps it's bi-lingual and he spoke the words in English too.
Perhaps it's just me, but I find credibility tends to go out of the window when you start talking to water!

Ya it's probably just you. Translations sometimes vary based on the culture.
But if thats all the more you can get out of it, well let them bells keep ringing.

Cheers
Matt

[Farrah Day]

Hi Matt

I've seen this video before and I'm always amazed by how many variations of gas people seem to want to put their name to when water is dissociated. It would seem to me that the agitator merely helps in depolarising the electrodes to an extent, by more effectively removing the gases as they form.

It's all a bit of a joke really as everything he does and states is already known and has been done before. It's like the guy has lived in a bubble and is unaware of past research. As a scientist, I'm frankly amazed that he has not researched this more, otherwise he would be aware that he is in fact covering exactly the same ground as Rhodes, Brown, etc, and many people since who are using this gas to weld and cut claiming it to be their own invention. Ultimately, it's hardly breaking news.

However, what immediately puts me on the defensive with this guy, and indeed triggers my alarm bells, is when I read pieces like this:

I came up with the idea to take water crystal photos from water in 1994 and succeeded.
I have done a number of various studies since then. The most beautiful water crystal photo that we have ever taken is a water crystal created when the words of love and gratitude were exposed to water

So it appears that not only is water an intelligence, but it understands Japanese! Or perhaps it's bi-lingual and he spoke the words in English too.

Perhaps it's just me, but I find credibility tends to go out of the window when you start talking to water!

[Matthew Jones]

Little change in subject.

Seem we do alot of speculating on how things become possible. I don't have enough experience with water to even guess.
But I found this article and accompanied movie about a Japanese who uses an agitator to make his gas extremely stable.
Japanese technologist sees water as energy source | Changing Power

They run a motor on the gas and compress the gas pretty high , He says without loss through the storage vessel.

If I were to guess this might be possible through harmonics of some kind. Might be clue as to how the guys are keeping the gas stable and higher pressures.

Anyway Enjoy
Matt