Future Energy hydroxy cell

[Farrah Day]

Calm down Farrah Day, no need to work yourself up. He apparently could run a car on it and is open about it, time will clear up any confusion. It's best to support such behavior than to obstruct it. Because let's be frank are we really being constructive arguing about something that is being exposed as we speak.

I'm not working myself up Broli - in fact I've seen nothing to get excited about yet.

And who's arguing? We're simply discussing and debating the pros and cons here, what we've been told, what we haven't been told and whether anything will ever come of it all.

No one is obstructing anything... are they? FF will have my full support the moment he fully open sources the whole kit and kaboodle and provides enough info for a faithful replication. Until then... well, there's nothing healthier than a good dose of scepticism when faced with yet another overunity claim.

[broli]

Calm down Farrah Day, no need to work yourself up. He apparently could run a car on it and is open about it, time will clear up any confusion. It's best to support such behavior than to obstruct it. Because let's be frank are we really being constructive arguing about something that is being exposed as we speak.

[Vickers]

Come on??? The guy is a gunsmith? He obviously knows alloys. Do not give this clown money. This is embarrassing.

[Farrah Day]

I do not know FD! Freddy has not said yet, LOL.

Oh, I see Rick. Well I guess you're going about it the right way if you intend to create an exact replication.

I know in the text somewhere FF mentions... I think, 3.3 volts! But I've no idea if he was talking about this voltage across each cell in a series combination or what! Logically, given that he's using a 12v lead acid battery and vehicle alternators, I would assume that he is using around 14.5 volts across the whole lot, and that they are in series.

If you wired yours in series you will obviously get a drop of around 2 volts across each cell which would make sense, but where Freddy gets the figure of 3.3 volts from is yet another mystery.

[rick123]

Rick

I'm curious, do you intend to run your WFC with all the cells wired in parallel, so each is effectively seeing 12v?

Or are you going to wire them in series?

I do not know FD! Freddy has not said yet, LOL. I am just going to follow along act as I do not know anything and see what happens.
That PWM Freddy is using comes with 6 mosfets and Freddy stated he added several. So I am assuming he has one per cell ,total of 10?

This weekend I am playing with some different "free" audio analyzers and recordings I made last night. My outer tube is the same gauge as inner and rings a higher pitch. I am going to do some testing today with different tube lengths and thicknesses to better understand the sounds/frequencies and obtaining 4 octave difference Freddy is talking about.
I am going to be using a 1987 ford van with 302 v8, carburated, for this project. It is going to start getting cold were I live, so the van should make for a nice warm place to work in the coming months ahead.
I am Dick Goober in the yahoo group.

[Farrah Day]

I agree, the frequency would change quite a bit if everything is attached to each other, wouldn't you want to tune it to the frequency of the setup as a whole?

I'm not buying into this tuning stuff at all. The minute you glue the tubes into the vessel, any previously individual resonant frequencies become irrelevant as the tubes then become part of a larger whole. It makes little sense to me.

Also in the video FF says, quote:

'Now you're working with the outer tube. Why is this outer tube such higher frequency to the inner tube?'

Then going on to say, 'It's smaller in diameter, so why does this tube ring so much higher than the other one?'

Well if it's an outer tube, clearly it can't be of smaller diameter than the inner tube??

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Granted, this may just be a slip of the tongue, but it does nothing to aid clarity.

And, is he talking about the thickness of the outer tube being thinner than that of the inner tube... or talking about the inner tube simply being thinner?

[Cloxxki]

Can't he inner tube just be used to tune, by length? It's thinner, but can be kept longer. Trim as necessary? I can imagine some sort of tuning to be achieved after their's both glued in place.
I don't see how a spacer would come in, as if it connects (or seperates rather) the tubes at something else than the ends, the tune will be lost. A longer tube would need to be supported on the top edge, in a brace with the top end of the shorter one. In my simple world where everything makes perfect sense.

[broli]

I agree, the frequency would change quite a bit if everything is attached to each other, wouldn't you want to tune it to the frequency of the setup as a whole?

[Farrah Day]

Rick

I'm curious, do you intend to run your WFC with all the cells wired in parallel, so each is effectively seeing 12v?

Or are you going to wire them in series?

[Farrah Day]

Hi Rick

You certainly do get iron leaching out of SS even at relatively low currents, but the chromium tends to quickly reform a protective oxide coating over the area, so in time the leaching usually lessens or stops altogether.

In my opinion, the practice of conditioning SS plates or tubes really just gets all this iron leaching out of the way until a more stable chromium oxide coating is formed.

Lovely looking build you have there Rick. I'll bet you can't wait to see Freddy's electronics in order to build a circuit and fire her up!

Incidentally, I'm not sure about this Adam guy in the videos. He does not give me the impression that he's making up his own mind about anything or indeed conducting his own independent analysis of Freddy's device. I hope I'm wrong, but my first impressions are that he's simply a 'YES-man' there for show.

If Freddy's going to draw this out, showing every detail of the build, we can't now be too far from him gluing the tubes in to the vessel - and I'm dead curious about the rust doping of the epoxy.

Come on Freddy... bring it on!

[rick123]

Not for sure on this, but I think the Adam fellow in the video is one of the three moderators in the Yahoo group. Just a hunch though, and good news if it is true.

[rick123]

I have never seen someone tune their tubes in this manner. I have seen many tune them listening to the electrical audio of there PWM's. I have never seen an outer tube intentionally thinner gauge than the inner tube. All my tubes have always been the same gauge (dammit I just placed an order with all the same gauge) LOL.
When he is talking about amplitude peak, that is interesting and new to me. I will get that program or an equal and give that a go.

FD: When I took my cell and ran a torch for a couple months (just having fun). I ran the pressure at 15 psi, was plugged into a variac with R.O. water. My cell looked about like Freddy's when I drained it with the rusty color around the tops of the tubes. It cleaned right up and I assumed it was a contaminate from the epoxy at the bottom of my cell. You can see the goop I used in this pic:

[Farrah Day]

i really dont know why he havent made a video guide. How hard can it be for him to made a dummy guide? Im staring to lose hope on this.

I have to say after that last - pretty pointless - video I'm starting to get an uneasy feeling.

They've shown us a bench with stainless tubes, a doped cell being powered by straight dc from a lead acid battery, and now someone 'clinking' a couple of stainless steel tubes... well woopy do!

They have yet to show anything in any recent video that goes anyway towards replication. What we really need to know about is the electronics powering the WFC. I mean, we all know what the WFC itself looks like and its basic construction, what we don't have a clue about is the electronics - why oh why haven't they shown the schematic yet?

If the next video instalment is equally uninformative, then I think we can start to get concerned.

[eclipz]

i really dont know why he havent made a video guide. How hard can it be for him to made a dummy guide? Im staring to lose hope on this.

[Farrah Day]

Thanks for that Eclipz

But, Oh dear, what are they doing?

Apart from the fact that the inner and outer tubes were clearly resonating at different frequencies, after they've glued them into the base of the WFC, I'm at a real loss to see how any of this really matters.

And has anyone noticed that the videos seem to show the tubes with something that looks like nylon spacers near the top any way!

Very unimpressed. I just wish they show something for us to get our teeth into!