Future Energy hydroxy cell

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[Farrah Day]

Rick, Freddy does indeed mention a sacrificial anode, in other words it gets gradually used up in the process, but he does also state that it's 316L, stainless steel, so as already posted, I can only assume the corrosion is due to the heavy current densities. Stainless steel, though relatively inert, will readily corrode under certain or extreme conditions.

The point of the you-tube video I linked to was for information purposes and to offer a perspective from the other side. The video is only talking about hydrogen, not hydroxy, and is comparing the BTUs of each. In other words the known energy content of petrol/gasoline when compared to hydrogen.

If you're educated enough to actually understand what the guy is talking about, it makes perfect scientific sense in as far as the numbers go. The fact that people tend to switch off or simply dismiss such science and numbers does not ultimately help the cause. The way forward it to discover where the disrepancy - if any - between science and seemingly science-fiction actually lies.

The whole point of this thread and indeed FF's claims, are surely that the laws of known science are somewhere seemingly being bent or broken. Finding out when, where and why this is so would appear to be the key to the whole thing.

I'm sure that in due course things will work themselves out... one way or another.

Edit: Incidentally, the fact that the anode is chemically reacting would mean that less oxygen is evolving as gas, as it would be going to make oxides instead, which if anything only deepens the mystery!

[rick123]

Pretty cool Freddy came out with another video. Brought in that Adam guy and gave a little update of what is happening. It appears he is going to be forthcoming. It is beyond me to understand why someone would want to lead us down a dead end road, although it has been done many times.

I enjoyed the vid FD posted, thanks. It really dose not seem like to many people understand how many LPM's it takes to run a vehicle. I have read if you have a hot cell you will get more LPM than a cold cell. A true test should be taken when a cell is first started with cold water. Hopefully we will all know the answers soon and can stop speculating.

Vickers I do not understand what your talking about when you refer to a sacrificial anode. I believe all of Freds tubes are stainless and he is clearly using a electrolyte. Are you talking about a different metal, being used up during electrolysis, Nickle/Aluminum. Can you expand on this?

And on a side note, please put yourselves in check before you type something, no one needs to be insulted here, all should feel comfortable to write and post whatever idea's come to them, without having to worry about being attacked. It is so pointless to demoralize another person. All of us want the same thing: an energy revolution!

[Vickers]

He he. My homemade UFO runs fine on half a lemon and a teaspoon of baking soda.
But seriously Farrah? Why on earth did u post this link?YouTube - HYDROGEN - 524 LITERS PER MINUTE

Surely you must be kidding?

I am positive most people understand that a hydrogen fuelled car does not use 524 liters a minute! LOL

Here's an old link for anyone who interested. Its on the internet so it must be true California Hydrogen Highway

[Farrah Day]

What we have to seriously consider when statements are made by the likes of Fast Freddy and his mate, is that they themselves may not know exactly what is going on, exactly what the electronics are doing or indeed exactly what processes are taking place.

Though FF claims to be conversant with electronics, these people are not scientists and therefore their interpretation of things may ultimately not be doing us any favours in trying to access or understand the process.

I could never make head or tails of what Meyer was talking about, it simply never made any scientific sense, his technical briefs being full of psuedoscience and gibberish, but that is not to say he did not achieve what he claimed. I think the same will apply to these guys if indeed they are on the level.

[argonian1]

Pulsing DC is in essence the same thing. Meyer had a high frequency block "wave" which was his "carrier wave", and this was switched on/off with another, lower frequency, block wave. So it's just modulation taken to the extreme. It's not "modulated" with a nice sine wave, it's modulated with a "binary signal" so to speak.

It may be less efficient to use block waves instead of nice sine waves, but who cares if you get more energy out of the thing than you have to put in yourself in order to get it?

it's important to note here that it's not about electromagnetic waves but the wave is only the definition of the voltage function, like sine wave.

he probably uses two or more pulsed dc waveforms, maybe with harmonic frequencies, but not something like transversal electromagnetic waves like i first thought when he spoke about carrier wave and so on.

also the video, .., he says the output goes crazy when it's probably not even a few liters per minute. nothing special in any way.

[Farrah Day]

Hey. I'm pretty sure if Direct Current is pulsed it is no longer DC. It becomes AC. The hertz relative to the pulse..
Seems pointless to me unless trying to generate a tone???Or frequency perhaps? Maybe a resonance?

But whatever? My view on this Dodge running on water?
I watched all the guys videos.

He clearly states that his first hog cell was sacrificial anode.
Anyone who understands electrochemical reactions will not be surprised at
55 liters per minute.
Which IS enough to run an engine. The link Farah Day posted is ABSOLUTE BULL****T . I am baffled why he even posted it???
Jesus!!! Go to California? There are thousands of cars fueled by hydrogen. And they dont need to tow a pressurized tanker behind them just to check the mail box?
****ing google man?
Downfall of intelligence =Google
Sorry dude...But I think your credibility just flew out the window..I mean what were u thinking? Were u thinking? Maybe u should practice thinking for a bit. ....Hey we all learn by our mistakes apparently so who cares?
I dont. I still love u man regardless
Personally I think Fast Freddies head has swollen and now thinks he can replicate Meyer resonance in order to justify his obvious sacrificial anode, which does work....but only usefull if endless supply of free sacrificial metals.

lol, my credibility?... after this post of yours... right. I've always had my doubts about you Vickers, but I really had no idea you were quite such a numb-nuts!

These thousands of cars you are talking about being run by hydrogen are not ICEs are they? Noooo they would be electric motors or hybrids that run on hydrogen fuel cells... a totally different process and totally different requirements... and not from an on-demand fuel source!

Anyone who understands electrochemical reactions will not be surprised at 55 liters per minute.

That would be you... would it? lol Give me strength

I think this post of yours highlights just how little you know about anything and just how ignorant you really are when it comes to science and technology. You really don't have a clue... do you?

If I were you, for safety reasons, I would stick to experiments that utilise a lemon as the power source.

[Vickers]

Hey. I'm pretty sure if Direct Current is pulsed it is no longer DC. It becomes AC. The hertz relative to the pulse..
Seems pointless to me unless trying to generate a tone???Or frequency perhaps? Maybe a resonance?

But whatever? My view on this Dodge running on water?
I watched all the guys videos.

He clearly states that his first hog cell was sacrificial anode.
Anyone who understands electrochemical reactions will not be surprised at
55 liters per minute.
Which IS enough to run an engine. The link Farah Day posted is ABSOLUTE BULL****T . I am baffled why he even posted it???
Jesus!!! Go to California? There are thousands of cars fueled by hydrogen. And they dont need to tow a pressurized tanker behind them just to check the mail box?
****ing google man?
Downfall of intelligence =Google
Sorry dude...But I think your credibility just flew out the window..I mean what were u thinking? Were u thinking? Maybe u should practice thinking for a bit. ....Hey we all learn by our mistakes apparently so who cares?
I dont. I still love u man regardless
Personally I think Fast Freddies head has swollen and now thinks he can replicate Meyer resonance in order to justify his obvious sacrificial anode, which does work....but only usefull if endless supply of free sacrificial metals.

[lamare]

He claims to be using a PWM, which I assumed would be pulsing dc, so where do carrier waves and modulation fit into this scenario I wonder?

Pulsing DC is in essence the same thing. Meyer had a high frequency block "wave" which was his "carrier wave", and this was switched on/off with another, lower frequency, block wave. So it's just modulation taken to the extreme. It's not "modulated" with a nice sine wave, it's modulated with a "binary signal" so to speak.

It may be less efficient to use block waves instead of nice sine waves, but who cares if you get more energy out of the thing than you have to put in yourself in order to get it?

[Farrah Day]

Lamare

I've copied off your article in full and I'm just studying it at present. Very well written and very interesting - even if you are still dropping your 'Hs' in through.

My immediate thoughts are that what you state applies to my closed-loop electrolyser concept more clearly and obviously than most other devices, and indeed without fully realising it I am in fact working along your lines.

Changing the subject, Fast Freddy's WFC, I'm finding to be a bit of an enigma.

He claims to be using a PWM, which I assumed would be pulsing dc, so where do carrier waves and modulation fit into this scenario I wonder?

The other thing is that according to his videos showing his in-car pressure gauge, the unit is pressuring up to around 60PSI. Now I see his engine is injection, so I assume this pressure must be contained between the WFC and the injectors. It takes around 2 minutes to initially reach this pressure before the engine is switched on, but then, logically you would expect this pressure to drop drastically when the engine starts and demands fuel - it doesn't. Furthermore, the pressure only drops very slowly when he turns the WFC off while driving the vehicle. All very strange.

None of this quite adds up to me, and though I'm not at this time disputing the fact that he has a vehicle running on hydroxy, I am suggesting that maybe some of the figures are wrong. Either that or the energy contained in the gas far exceeds anything predicted by known science and hence the vehicle can run on relatively small amounts of this gas.

It will be interesting to see how this works on the proposed generator demo, as surely this will have a carb rather than injectors, so won't be pressurised in the same way.

[lamare]

Well not much in that last video.

And personally I don't think that he is producing anymore gas there than I would have expected given he's pumping tens of amps through the cell. My cell easily produces that much visually if I dope it and put a 12v car battery across the terminals. Without properly measuring the gas, a demo like that is very deceptive, however, if he was getting 55LPM, I would have expected a real geyser!

He mentions the teaspoon of Sodium Hydroxide there, but still not sure if he uses it in a working wfc.

Also in the text somewhere it states that they are using a carrier wave and that there is a -ve and +ve voltage on the anode and cathode respectively, 180 degrees out of phase..?? I'm not at all sure what to make of that.

He has stated that plans are available, but the only plans I'm seeing are the ones that date back to 2006, and are clearly nothing like the current set up, so quite pointless.

Let's see what the next video, 'tube tuning' shows.

I have to say though, the longer this goes on before we see anything like a schematic or current plans, the more sceptical I'll become.

The carrier wave is very important. It has to be a half wave rectified carrier wave, passed to the load trough a high pass filter. The load will have to be inductive, so there will be some coils in there which give you the amperage for free. That's the essence of the trick I am talking about.

[Farrah Day]

Well not much in that last video.

And personally I don't think that he is producing anymore gas there than I would have expected given he's pumping tens of amps through the cell. My cell easily produces that much visually if I dope it and put a 12v car battery across the terminals. Without properly measuring the gas, a demo like that is very deceptive, however, if he was getting 55LPM, I would have expected a real geyser!

He mentions the teaspoon of Sodium Hydroxide there, but still not sure if he uses it in a working wfc.

Also in the text somewhere it states that they are using a carrier wave and that there is a -ve and +ve voltage on the anode and cathode respectively, 180 degrees out of phase..?? I'm not at all sure what to make of that.

He has stated that plans are available, but the only plans I'm seeing are the ones that date back to 2006, and are clearly nothing like the current set up, so quite pointless.

Let's see what the next video, 'tube tuning' shows.

I have to say though, the longer this goes on before we see anything like a schematic or current plans, the more sceptical I'll become.

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New video up

YouTube - 2010-09-06_11-26-04_439.3gp

[lamare]

Lamare, that's all very well, but I think you'll find it quite difficult to explain either the gains in evolving gases or the gain of energy content within the resulting gases with your article.

I mean, how does it relate to the electrochemical reaction of the ionising water, where ions and electrons play a big role... and indeed Faraday's laws of electrolysis?

If you can get electricity (almost) for free using my theory, I don't see why you couldn't use that to perform electrolysis with. For free. As Faraday did. Now that doesn't necessarily mean there is no other way to get power out of the electric field for free, but I am convinced Meyer and Puharich did it the way I explain, because Gray did it exactly the same *and* it matches basic electrotechnical theory as well. It just all adds up.

[Farrah Day]

Lamare, that's all very well, but I think you'll find it quite difficult to explain either the gains in evolving gases or the gain of energy content within the resulting gases with your article.

I mean, how does it relate to the electrochemical reaction of the ionising water, where ions and electrons play a big role... and indeed Faraday's laws of electrolysis?