Water Sparkplug

[gmeast]

Electrohydraulic Forming

Hi thread,

Here's a Wiki link describing the force(s) that probably bent Gibs' electrode.

Electrohydraulic forming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Peace,

Greg

[smw1998a]

Circuit Diagrams

Lee,
Great Vid.
Would you mind posting your circuit? I am trying to adapt my Aaron circuit to experiment with frequencies.
Thanks
D.

Hi Dread,
The schematics and circuits are posted in this thread. Just click my name and search for all posts made by me.

Regards Lee...

[rosco1]

Hi Greg

Without wishing to cause distraction, are you the fellow with the VMU?

[Gibs]

Electrohydraulic

Yes Aaron, I agree with distilled water for best quality, but only if we find a way to produce it at low energical cost. After all, tap water might be the best choice yet.


Hi Greg, you're right about the interesting process, a solid metal part can be deformed by the explosion of a tiny drop of water and it is really impressive to observe. That must be the effect we are looking for. I like the term "electrohydraulic" it describes it well. Thanks for the link.

Magniforming is not so far from the work we are doing here, it also has to do with capacitor dumping. This one is pretty cool.

YouTube - Can crushing


You bet T, and what's most impressive is that the space between the electrodes is an open space. Imagine, confined in a closed space...like in a cylinder.

IMO, the best way to do an accurate measurement of the energy released, would be to run a gen on it's own and calculate the power it needs to maintain itself running. What's left is usefull energy.

Sorry for the camera but we'll have to wait two more weeks till I get my new Samsung Instinct phone equiped with a 2 mp cam. By the way, is there anyone who knows if this phone is able to upload on Youtube directly?
That would be nice.

Keep up guys

[peteroks]

hi arron
just have a question regarding the lawnmower setup and the reason you use a reed switch. what is the problem with using the magneto as a switch as it produces a connection [hv spark] that can be ultilized- i know because it works for me-------- p eter

[Aaron]

water spark and magneto

Hi Peter,

The magneto timing isn't easily adjustable. With the ignition coil setup, we can move the reed easily to set timing.

There can be inductors, etc... to delay the spark with just the magneto but this is easy enough.

What kind of capacitance do you have across your plug that your magneto is triggering? Did you see the water spark effect by pulling your plug out of your mower and visually examining it or are you just watching a capacitor voltage drop on each pulse?

[Ozicell]

Accidental result!

Hi Guys,

Please bare with me here! I pretty much have my ball spark plug where I want it but want to amplify the spark as per all your tests and circuits that you guys are playing with! Problem is.............I am electronically disadvantaged, your schematics are gobbledegook to me! I have an idea of what your are doing but can't follow how do replicate for myself. Sooooo..........could I please ask for someone to hold my hand for awhile. Firstly, a parts list, specifying what I need for both bench testing as well as car mods. Probably best to start with bench test parts.

Once I have the parts, then I am going to need a step by step procedure, hence the hand holding! Assume I know absolutely NOTHING and you'll be pretty close, however, tell me what to do and I can build almost anything!

Ok, I know I am asking a lot here as you guys are all very busy doing what you do best but if anyone can take me on, I'd reeeaaallly appreciate it!

If you don't wish to clog up the forum, then feel free to contact me privately.

Thanks in advance
Jeff

Hi Guys,

Responding to my own post!

I did something today which was totally and accident. I had intended doing a demo of the pulstar spark as opposed to a standard spark, so I moved a few things on my bench to one side and started the motor. What I had was a spark jumping from an unattached coil to a ball plug sitting in my open pressure chamber.

I replicated this for the first video here and then did another video showing the difference between the spark lead jumping directly to the plug as opposed to the coil and bench.

YouTube - Coil to sparkplug jump

YouTube - Spark coil amplified V std spark

I know it's still nowhere near strong enough for what we are looking for but it was interesting!

Still looking for help with this.
Cheers
Jeff

[Aaron]

multi gaps

Jeff,

That looks similar to the effect of that spark intensifier? The spark gap on the plugs annode that the coil has to jump before it jumps the gap. If the spark gap at the coil is larger than the spark gap at the plug's electrodes, then higher voltage can build up more than the smaller gap.

These aren't real #'s but just example.

If the pre gap is 2mm and 20kv is needed to jump it and the spark plug gap is 1mm and 10kv is needed to jump it, by having to build to 20kv first to jump the first gap, you get 20kv at the smaller gap, which would be impossible by itself.

Something along those lines??

[Ozicell]

Spark gap

Jeff,

That looks similar to the effect of that spark intensifier? The spark gap on the plugs annode that the coil has to jump before it jumps the gap. If the spark gap at the coil is larger than the spark gap at the plug's electrodes, then higher voltage can build up more than the smaller gap.

These aren't real #'s but just example.

If the pre gap is 2mm and 20kv is needed to jump it and the spark plug gap is 1mm and 10kv is needed to jump it, by having to build to 20kv first to jump the first gap, you get 20kv at the smaller gap, which would be impossible by itself.

Something along those lines??

Hi Aaron,

I thought of that as well but I don't think it totally explains it! When I was playing with it, I could get a very fine blue spark jumping to either the plug, coil or even the bench of about 1.2 - 1.5 cm. When it jumped straight to the plug the resulting spark was unimpressive but when it went either via the bench or the coil, the spark was fat and bright almost totally white. One response told me that the bench could also be adding to the capacitance which I believe it does because when I insulated the coil from the bench the spark was still strong but not as strong as when the coil sat directly on the bench.

If you like, I'll do another vid which shows what I have just said.

Cheers
Jeff

[Ozicell]

Playing with the spark

Hi Aaron and guys,

I just did that extra video for your consideration. Firstly, plug is firing with every pulse but you can't always see it because of the angle. Secondly, when I place the spark lead near the secondary from the coil, the spark jump between spark lead and coil lead goes almost invisible - very fine and faint but still jumps the gap, however, at the coil to plug end and the business end of the plug I get really fat white sparks with loud snaps. I don't know why this happens! Why does the spark lead to coil secondary lead spark become so faint when everywhere else it's strong and fat?

Anyway, thought it might be interesting to you all, enjoy!

YouTube - Playing with the spark

Cheers
Jeff

[Kinetix]

Hi everybody.
Ozicell, looks interesting your experiment. Unfortunately, I don't quite understand what circuit is there. Could you, please draw a very little schematic of that? Thanks.
I think the rule of thumb is:
1mm of air gap needs 1KV to be jumped.
For those of you using SSR's or relays: why don't use a MOSFET to do the job? Maybe with a little circuit trigger to delay the discharge of plasma with a few microsecs, to allow HV spark to occur.
Has anybody tryed a simple schematic like this?


All the best.

[magnetO]

Playing with Spark - in a puddle of water?

Please Ozicell,

as you are so far with playing, do me a favour, and go a little bit ahead:

Take a watertight, electrical insulating, not-easy-inflamable plate or sheet, something like kitchen bench surface material or the like, and put it on your workbench.

Give a small puddle of water on the sheet - insulated from workbench.

Do fire to the puddle of water for some 10..20 sparks.

Stopp sparking
(Be sure nobody is watching you - in your real life!)
And... (Joe, from near Brisbane, suggested in a Video, he can burn water..)

...would you please try to lighten the water with a flame/lighter???


I know, a strange idea.

magnetO

[gmeast]

Without wishing to cause distraction, are you the fellow with the VMU?

Hi rosco1,

I don't know what "VMU" means ... so I guess I'm not. What does "VMU" mean anyway?

Thanks,

Greg

[jibbguy]

Article part 4 all about plasma

Part 4 of the "Free Energy and Open Source Energy Movement" series published & headlined today at:

OpEdNews

It discusses several aspects of he plasma spark phenomena. You will recognize some names dropped there

[gmeast]

Thank You For The Great Link!

Part 4 of the "Free Energy and Open Source Energy Movement" series published & headlined today at:

OpEdNews

It discusses several aspects of he plasma spark phenomena. You will recognize some names dropped there

jibbguy,

Thanks so much for posting the link. It makes all the fiddling seem worth it somehow.

Peace,

Greg