Water Sparkplug

[jstadwater]

I come to work and there is so much to respond to this morning! That's great, I love the way things are unfolding within this forum!

@ Aaron
Really cool stuff, I had no idea the "effect" could even be had without sound. No explosion sound may also mean no spark plug damage, would definitely be a plus. Especially if we were able to crank up the uF and then choke out all/most of the current, exponential gains in usable energy inside the combustion chamber without allot of sparkplug wear. Could = more reliability for long term use! You definitely have my attention!

@ Greg
You hear that? We are inspiring more people to start testing! That, my friend, is trully a good feeling. And I agree, Simple is so nice! As stable as this circuit has become, I feel it will open new doors and pathways that we never thought possible, or at least considered feesible till now. That old saying...The sky's the limit...does not apply to us!!! We seem to breaking "limits" almost on a daily basis here lately. I will post a 2.5uF vid in a little while, I also will shoot a small section of what happens when the MOT is used as a resistor, I almost wet my pants when I saw the plasma that flew off the plug! Maybe with the "choker" from Aaron, I can actually make that a usable event, who knows!
@ revizal
Thanks for becoming a "tester" and congrats on your successful test with the SUV! The VexUs circuit is showing serious implications of being a MOST stable and usable circuit. The smaller package is also more convenient. I'm glad, we as a group, were able to inspire you to take the step into building and testing.

@ Jetijs
Thanks for posting that link, I like it! And thanks for testing it out too. I'm thinking we can use this in our projects for sure. To a different end than it was originally designed for, obviously. Seems all that would be left to figure out is what size needle best suites our applications!

Thanks everyone, for so much good news today! Bigger and better awaits us all, I'm sure of it!......................................Mike

[jstadwater]

Another VexUs demo................

Hello to everyone,

I just finished another vid. This demonstrates the exact components used for the recorded stats I posted yesterday with all the temperature readings from running the circuit at about 2,300 rpm for 30 continuous minutes.

My only regret is not having a good enough camera to capture the effect as it is in person.

Video 5 -- V-8 HEI VexUs bench test at 2.5uF

Continuous happy testing to all................................Mike

[Gibs]

Transformer instead of light bulb?

Great vid Mike,

Have you sprayed water when the MOT was connected?

Also, it would be interesting to measure the output voltage of the MOT secondary. To do so accurately, I would connect a MW diode (trying both ways) in series with a MW capacitor and measure the voltage at the capacitor.
This experiment would determine if we can get usable power from the pulses.
If so, instead of the MOT (or the light bulb), we might find a transformer with the right impedance for the circuit and usable output from it's secondary.

Keep up the good work.

[gmeast]

experiment

Great vid Mike,

Have you sprayed water when the MOT was connected?

Also, it would be interesting to measure the output voltage of the MOT secondary. To do so accurately, I would connect a MW diode (trying both ways) in series with a MW capacitor and measure the voltage at the capacitor.
This experiment would determine if we can get usable power from the pulses.
If so, instead of the MOT (or the light bulb), we might find a transformer with the right impedance for the circuit and usable output from it's secondary.

Keep up the good work.

Hi Gibs,

This is a good suggestion. It would be nice to recycle some power.

Greg

[gmeast]

stellar

Hello to everyone,

I just finished another vid. This demonstrates the exact components used for the recorded stats I posted yesterday with all the temperature readings from running the circuit at about 2,300 rpm for 30 continuous minutes.

My only regret is not having a good enough camera to capture the effect as it is in person.

Video 5 -- V-8 HEI VexUs bench test at 2.5uF

Continuous happy testing to all................................Mike

Fantastic!

Saw it on OverUnity,

Greg

[jstadwater]

Thanks Greg and Gibs,

I was "skeered" to spray water on the MOT blasts, the camera did NOT show what I saw standing beside it!! I will try to test the MOT secondary and see if there is some usable energy there, that's definitely a great idea! Could you draw a simple sketch to show how I should wire up to the secondary to try this test? I can probably figure it out, but I may fry something in the process.

Now, if there is usable energy there, can we possibly tone this down at the plug by using a variable resistor in-line with the MOT. I measured the resistence of the MOT, is 1.1ohms. I will try the MOT WITH the light bulb and see if it still works. Then measure to see if we have secondary energy from the MOT. Be back shortly......................................Mike

[gotoluc]

good post since it blows all the theories to he%$.

I have held that the shock wave/sound emission is the discharge hitting the atmosphere with such force the compression was causing the pop.

With the choke we have a large photon emission without the shock wave.

In a way it might support the "two different events that are not specifically related" theory.

Lee has proven the discharge hits the atmosphere at a very high velocity and I agree. This speed perhaps causes a compression shock wave and the sound emission.

Then we have the photon emission as a separate event.

Did the choke slow down the discharge?

Did the choke shrink the discharge?

The choke eliminated the compression wave.....? Wait a second...is there a compression wave or is the there an explosion that causes a sudden expansion and the shock wave?

Just another minute, if there is an explosion...where is the heat?

Maybe we stick with the choke causing the shock wave that we are not sure about to slow down so much it no longer makes noise and the "effect" is still intact...

Or there is a third element that we are unaware of. Good stuff.


Thanks again.

Hi tstorey,

in case you mist it I posted Aaron's video at OU and below is a reply from user name: Sparks

There is so much mass in the choke coil that the voltage says screw it I'm gonna flow along the surface like wave energy flows along the surface of the ocean. The voltage still gets to the sparkgap but it comes in the form of a wave instead of slow flow. In electrical terms the transient current is suppressed by the choke. Since the discharge technique employed results in mostly transient current we get voltage to the load not requiring current flow through the conductor. Electromagnetic waves travel at the speed of light whereas electrical currents flow millimeters per second. I like speed.
Meyer used chokes on both sides of his hho gas generator. This was to make sure that the wave fronts appear across the spark gap/capacitor/fuelcell/etc. to maximize charge seperation.

[jstadwater]

Hey Guys,

Here's a pic of the back side of my MOT, how should I hook up the HV diode and cap to test if there's energy here?
Two orange wires and a spade terminal, sorry about the resolution, didn't realize that camera took such bad pics.


Mike

[jstadwater]

I hooked up the MOT primary and the bulb in a continuous line from the 460VDC+ through to the discharge cap +. The plasma still functions normally, there is definitly "juice" on the secondary of the MOT, it just pegged out my meter!! Someone please tell me how to exactly hook up the diode and cap to this thing............................................M ike

[Kinetix]

Hi, everybody.
Jetijs, I think that you may have injected too much water inside your engine.
I have used the water "injection" system for a few months.
The water got into the engine via EGR valve (that means no water entered at idle). Before the EGR I have mounted a stop valve (little faucet) with the possibility to fine adjust it. A 6mm diameter copper tube was winded around the main radiator rubber tube to warm the water. So, the water was sucked through the copper tube, got warmed, and then through the stop valve (flow adjusted), and finally got into the engine (via EGR). It was tuned to suck around 100ml water every 100km. It may not be the best tunning, but that worked to me.
I used distilled water, but worked the same with tap water. Anyway, we must note that tap water contains minerals that could do some harm to the engine.
Effects:
- the engine noise became a little more "pleasant": more like zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzmmmm!, instead of vvvrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm!
- the engine running temperature lowerred, so that the radiator fan started very seldom (even with the high temperatures in summer)
- the mpg remained almost the same (I didn't see much improvement here, but this may be related to the more dynamic style of driving that occurs when the car runs better... , and, of course, related to the tuning of injected water ratio).

At this moment, this system is no longer on my car, cause I have to prepair it for regular tehnical checking (I don't know the exact term used in english), and they don't like to see any modifications on the car.
Anyway, I think that a better way to inject water into the engine is to make it steam before that. So, the water could be more easily mixed with gasoline vapours.
And, of course, we could use a bubbler system to add on the PCV valve system, to make the gases that flows that way to become more rich in water vapour. Again, is better to warm the water first, so that it could vaporize faster.
All the best.

[jstadwater]

Unhappy inverter test.............

Hooked up a 1000 watt inverter to the circuit using the same isolation transformer as Greg. Tested at 2,300 rpm, all smooth, plasma of same consistency, only ran it for a couple minutes. Then upped the rpm to 4,200 and within a minute, the inverter started to whine. That's not good! Would it help maybe to drop the uF's in the tripler circuit from 120uF down to like 50 or 60uF? I REALLY don't want to drop back to a doubler, not after seeing this thing with a tripler! If not, what are my options to get the voltage I need for reasonable $$? Any suggestions?

Mike

[Jetijs]

Thanks Kinetix,
your post helped a lot

[jstadwater]

OK,

I cannot run at that rpm with the MOT in-line with the bulb. That's what the inverter didn't like. I just ran it with only the bulb hooked up for 5 minutes at 4,200 rpm and the inverter did not seem to have a problem. It did have a barely audible whistle, tone, whirring sound, something noise, though it still functioned fine. Would it be a good idea to go ahead and drop the 120uF caps in the tripler circuit to a lower value? Would that in any way ease the load on the inverter? I noticed a slight sizzle-clunk sound when I flip the inverter on and it has to charge the caps. Thanks in advance for any input in this matter.................................Mike

[gotoluc]

@Greg and anyone interested,

I've been thinking about the isolation transformer cost, availability and all this. It seems to be the only down side at this time for replicators.

I have an idea ... MOT's are easily available and can be next to free. When you think of it ... it is an isolation transformer!... just at a much higher voltage on the secondary side. I propose we move your VexUs circuit to a new level... HV that is. Use a MOT as isolation transformer and feed the HV directly to the circuit. Obviously you would have to drop you Capacitance value by much and make your FWBR with HV diodes but I think that would be the only thing you may need to change. Also many have been noticing the benefit of Higher Voltages.

So what do you think of this idea? Are you willing to test it? if so I would suggest using a Variac to start at a low voltage and slowly raise it if it works. Maybe the .7uf to 1uf microwave oven capacitors could end up being the correct size for the circuit?

Just an idea. Let me know what you think of this.

Luc

[lapperl]

Hey Guys,

Here's a pic of the back side of my MOT, how should I hook up the HV diode and cap to test if there's energy here?
Two orange wires and a spade terminal, sorry about the resolution, didn't realize that camera took such bad pics.


Mike

Mike,
The orange wires are just sense wires that are wrapped around the primary coil, if you look closely, you will see the other secondary wire tied to the ground of the coil core. I'm not exactly sure how to test with the cap a diodes, but I do know what the wires do.

Hope it helps,

LapperL