Water Sparkplug

[gotoluc]

HI Guys, Unfort Greg is going through some financial trouble, times are tough for all of us, people that are close to him back where he is should be supportive of his efforts and contributions, so that leaves us as family ATM.

I am sorry to hear about all this, Greg no doubt would be able to continue given the right resources, just finding it hard to cope ATM given his local environment, so if we all pitch in the future i am sure Greg will be able to keep his head above water.

Can i just say some thing to get some thing off my chest?
This is in response to the email Greg sent me about whats going on,

That Sucks!

It is truly sad that Billions are spent on War and even alternative Energy research but nothing comes out of it that can really help the people.

People!!!... you need to wake up ... take control of your life because your Government is not going to do it for you

Greg, I am truly sorry to see how the real researchers in this crazy profit only oriented world end up. Nikola Tesla did not finish his life in an honorable way. This is the price we pay when we try to help or fellow man. Good thing crucifixion is not in style

Greg my friend I wish you new beginnings in your life changes. Please drop us a post on your journey when you can

and brother.

Luc

[ashtweth]

HI Guys, Unfort Greg is going through some financial trouble, times are tough for all of us, people that are close to him back where he is should be supportive of his efforts and contributions, so that leaves us as family ATM.

I am sorry to hear about all this, Greg no doubt would be able to continue given the right resources, just finding it hard to cope ATM given his local environment, so if we all pitch in the future i am sure Greg will be able to keep his head above water.

Can i just say some thing to get some thing off my chest?
This is in response to the email Greg sent me about whats going on,

That Sucks!

[gotoluc]

Hi Geg,

can you explain to us a little more as to what is going on, since this is a sudden change

Thanks buddy

Luc

[gmeast]

end of the line

Hi all,

Well the Bug has been restored to stock except for the Firestorm plugs ... for now. Closing my doors & gotta get rid of everything. Can't afford storage.

Needless to say I am not going to just toss everything into the dumpster, not both plasma circuits, not the custom solid state distributor for the original plasma circuit and not the Bug either. If you are following my meaning(s) here, I'm in San Diego California. PM me and we'll go private from there.

It's been fun,

Greg

[gmeast]

nice plug

These are the critters I'll be using.

That's beautiful ... keep us informed.

Greg

[Ozicell]

These are the critters I'll be using.

Hey Rosco,

I know you said that the electrode is silver but what is the earth cage made from?

Cheers
Ozi

[rosco1]

Like this?

Hi rosco1,

The only plug style that I have witnessed creating a decent 'volume' or 'ball' (if you will) of plasma-looking stuff is the Firestorm replica. The side gap marine plugs show the effect but not at the same density. At the same time, I'm sure you saw the pictures of the Firestorms I posted (this page) with surprisingly little disintegration in contrast to what others have experienced ... I only used a 2uF dump cap though. Aquapulsar and replcators of the VexUs and Nexus used huge cap values ... 10 - 30 or even 100 uF. That destroys plugs but make for an impressive show in open air.

Using a Firestorm, we need to fire a steam saturated, sealed volume of air at 125 PSI and watch for the pressure rise ... next project.

Greg

These are the critters I'll be using.

[gmeast]

plasma effect

I feel this is an important part of the puzzle.

If the ignition unit is creating plasma at normal atmospheric pressure(open air), then it's simply too powerful to be practical, for once you then pressurise that situation further, by way of the engine's own compression ratio, like to the tune of about 100 psi further, then it has to be recognised that all you'll really have been doing is overpowering the plug and increasing the wear right from the beginning.

I reason that a power level needs to be found which is only sufficient enough to morph the spark into a plasma at about 100 psi of pressure, meaning there will be no plasma created until this point, in this way the compression itself is the catalyst for the transition from spark to plasma, sort of a diesel ignition effect if that makes sense.

If a situation like this can be mastered, then the power levels through the plug would have to be seen as being significantly reduced, in turn, the wear factor would have to be reduced also.

Hi rosco1,

The only plug style that I have witnessed creating a decent 'volume' or 'ball' (if you will) of plasma-looking stuff is the Firestorm replica. The side gap marine plugs show the effect but not at the same density. At the same time, I'm sure you saw the pictures of the Firestorms I posted (this page) with surprisingly little disintegration in contrast to what others have experienced ... I only used a 2uF dump cap though. Aquapulsar and replcators of the VexUs and Nexus used huge cap values ... 10 - 30 or even 100 uF. That destroys plugs but make for an impressive show in open air.

Using a Firestorm, we need to fire a steam saturated, sealed volume of air at 125 PSI and watch for the pressure rise ... next project.

Greg

[rosco1]

Creating plasma by a "Diesel" ignition type effect.

I've discovered you don't need a system that makes water-burning plasma at atmospheric pressure. They will probably end up as you surmised.

Greg

I feel this is an important part of the puzzle.

If the ignition unit is creating plasma at normal atmospheric pressure(open air), then it's simply too powerful to be practical, for once you then pressurise that situation further, by way of the engine's own compression ratio, like to the tune of about 100 psi further, then it has to be recognised that all you'll really have been doing is overpowering the plug and increasing the wear right from the beginning.

I reason that a power level needs to be found which is only sufficient enough to morph the spark into a plasma at about 100 psi of pressure, meaning there will be no plasma created until this point, in this way the compression itself is the catalyst for the transition from spark to plasma, sort of a diesel ignition effect if that makes sense.

If a situation like this can be mastered, then the power levels through the plug would have to be seen as being significantly reduced, in turn, the wear factor would have to be reduced also.

[gmeast]

charge pump same function as my oscillator

Hi Lee,

Yes that was very disappointing when they showed their multi-plug hook up. My oscillator is just made up of an inductor and some switches ... just easier to understand and build than a "charge pump" ... mine pumps 12VDC to 415VDC.

I've discovered you don't need a system that makes water-burning plasma at atmospheric pressure. They will probably end up as you surmised.

Greg

[smw1998a]

All Polish

I was wondering when someone was going to post about this.

YouTube - Plasma Spark I

I will be interested to see the long term effects on both plug and chamber using one of these.

Ozi

[gmeast]

rust

My pressure chamber is still sitting there unused as I've been quite busy with other matters. I've now found my pressure blow off valve that was lost in storage for quite a while, yet have not fitted it. --------------------------------------------------------
The rust on the plugs could be related to something happening when cold.

Not sure yet.

I need to give it further thought.

Hi rosco1,

I am paranoid about the steam and water condensation so (even though it may not matter when already warm) I always shut off my water drip (steam) and let it run at idle & dry out for a minute. For this I had to set the idle mixture rich a little... main jet is lean ... don't what to burn valves on idle.

I haven't seen any rust yet ... but still cautious.

Thanks for responding,

Greg

[rosco1]

Sort of

H rosco1,

I forgot to ask if you have had a chance to make any visual observations with your set-up/configuration under pressure.

Thanks,

Greg

My pressure chamber is still sitting there unused as I've been quite busy with other matters. I've now found my pressure blow off valve that was lost in storage for quite a while, yet have not fitted it.

I do plan to fire up the pressure tester again soon.

I have found evidence of rust on the Brisk plugs, on areas of the plug that are deep within the combustion chamber, and this is with the simple ignition system I'm running, so this has me thinking I'm closer to dissociating hydrogen at all times than I thought I was.

I'm not sure if that last observation is solid just yet, as when the engine is cold, the water emitted from the tail pipe is has increased remarkably.

The rust on the plugs could be related to something happening when cold.

Not sure yet.

I need to give it further thought.

[rosco1]

Greg

Hi rosco1,

I'm not sure I am familiar with plugs spec (being built). I have no way of monitoring emissions, though the Bug sure stinks less since I started this research. Can you/have you fiddled with the timing much and if so do you have any conclusions re that specifically?

As far as the Kiker? wires go the resonant quasi-multi pulses they claim to deliver should be a benefit. Maybe tweaking the timing with those wires could add some benefit (???)

"...in fact I posted up a series of tests related to spark plug indexing..."
Can you refer me to that /those post(s) pls?

... Pretty fundamental mods for the gains wouldn't you say? Exciting!

Thanks,

Greg

Hi again Greg, my plugs are a 1 piece silver electrode complete with ball tip, thus by being 1 piece they should be more robust than a welded or threaded ball type electrode.

I purchased an exhaust gas analyser specifically for this purpose, along with other testing equipment, yet sadly my laser thermometer was stolen when my vehicle was burgled recently, so before I can record temps again, I have to buy another.

It appears that the window we normally recognise as being acceptable for a moderate state of tune has been widened considerably, and while I've only swung the distributor a couple of degrees further in advance of TDC so far, it displayed no signs of pinging as it would have done with the standard ignition set up. I've now gone back to the factory setting and will be leaving it there for the moment, simply due to my desire of seeing what happens when less advance, meaning a retarding situation further back toward TDC itself is selected. I'm currently fabricating a simple distributor swing method which will allow me to swing it on the fly.

I'm not seeing much change at all with a swing of 2 degrees, whereas before, it would have been immediately obvious that a setting change had been made.(pinging or sluggishness) I note that my vacuum has climbed from 21 to 24 now, which indicated a higher state of seal.

The Kikers display a weird "field", which gave me headaches on 1 lead only, which I feel may be directly related to where the ignition coil is located within the plug lead array, I'll look at this a bit closer as time allows, but know this, a non firing lead can miraculously come back to life if 1 coil/meander is removed, thus giving the impression that this "field" is tuneable to a degree, as such, it could be an area where we need to look further.

Link to plug temps, pay close attention to the figures in the tables.

Spark Plug Indexing - Holdenpaedia

Exciting indeed, especially as so many people argue that we're all off our heads, the performance increase is very difficult to ignore.

[gmeast]

Geet

Plenty of room there for a GEET at the back on Gregs , thought that was a GEET pipe at first glance, imagine that with Robins plugs..

Hi Ash,

If things improve for me then maybe that will be pursued.

Greg