Water Sparkplug

[rosco1]

Not my thread.

I know the feeling Robin,

I encourage you to do your best to not focus on this feeling. If you follow it, in the end you may not find internal peace and happiness.

When we unconditionally give then we open ourselves to receiving. We are instruments in the Creation process. If we hold back! nothing changes and nothing gained. However we should not give with an expectation of a gain either! as this will reap a different result.

Sorry for the philosophical speech ... I truly wish you success

Sharing is the true path to freedom

Maybe we should start a new topic and lock this topic for archive! ...I think that would help get the ball rolling again .... what do you think?

Luc

Luc, my name is Ross, not Robin.

I joined this site a long time ago, while researching FireStorm, and while it was useful when that concept was viewed as a possible solution, we did deviate quite a way off that course in order to solve the ignition and ignitor requirements for the atomic hydrogen environment.

It's been quite frustrating not being able to make public any close details of our project, but sadly that's just the way it had to be. I'm sure that any reasonable person reading through the negativity which has been openly displayed here by the fringe elements, can probably well imagine the dismay I'm feeling.

I've decided to cease posting updates here now. If the other team members choose to post details, then that's entirely up to them. I'm done with it.

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect for me, is that the fringe element seems to think we've used information gained by being members of this site for our own benefit, which is simply not true. I'd like for someone to show me where we've done this.

Our project is quite different from that of anyone else here, so how can we now be accused of poaching free info? I just don't understand how this accusation can be levelled against us.

Everybody wants everything for free it seems, so I will part company with some free advice, just keep working at your own projects, and don't just sit back waiting for some Saint to come along and hand you their very own hard work for free, that will never happen in this lifetime, or the next.

[gotoluc]

Many thanks Luc.

Yes, we've all been hard at work on this project for a long time now, as you know.

To be honest, I'm not feeling too great about the reception we're receiving, and right now I'm just about ready to withdraw from making any further comments at all, such is the disappointment I'm feeling.

When people openly discuss ways of stealing our hard worked for project, well that just makes me want to keep it safe by not providing it to anyone of questionable motive.

I'm not sure what to do now.

Kind of feels like I've wasted my time on this...


Best regards to you Luc, and thanks again.

I know the feeling Rosco1,

I encourage you to do your best to not focus on this feeling. If you follow it, in the end you may not find satisfaction.

When we unconditionally give then we open ourselves to receiving. We are instruments in the Creation process. If we hold back! nothing changes and nothing gained. However we should not give with an expectation of a gain either! as this will reap a different result.

Sorry for the philosophical speech ... I truly wish you all success

Sharing is the true path to freedom

Maybe we should start a new topic and ask Aaron to lock this one for archive! ...I think that would help get the ball rolling again .... what do you think?

Luc

[rosco1]

Thank you Luc.

Hi Rosco1,

Congratulation to you my friend

I know you have worked it this for a long time and you all deserve a good

Looking forward in the information you will be sharing

for all the great work.



Luc

Many thanks Luc.

Yes, we've all been hard at work on this project for a long time now, as you know.

To be honest, I'm not feeling too great about the reception we're receiving, and right now I'm just about ready to withdraw from making any further comments at all, such is the disappointment I'm feeling.

When people openly discuss ways of stealing our hard worked for project, well that just makes me want to keep it safe by not providing it to anyone of questionable motive.

I'm not sure what to do now.

Kind of feels like I've wasted my time on this...


Best regards to you Luc, and thanks again.

[gotoluc]

Hi Rosco1,

Congratulation to you my friend

I know you have worked it this for a long time and you all deserve a good

Looking forward in the information you will be sharing

for all the great work.



Luc

[rosco1]

David.

Wouldn't it have been prudent to not ""take a couple of weeks" But instead release instantly all at once? Always keep your enemies off balance, no?

David

David,

We feel we've waited quite long enough.

We've actually been eager to make a statement here for quite some time now, but up until this morning, we did still have a couple of small issues to contend with, and now that they've finally been eliminated, we can safely announce that we've succeeded completely.

How it transpired is thus, I got an SMS text message confirming complete success, and I was then directed to make that fact known here ASAP.

We do appreciate that many people here are watching our project closely, so we would not have taken the step of making any kind of statement unless we were completely satisfied with the results.

Enemies? We don't worry about that sort of thing.

[eternalightwithin]

Wouldn't it have been prudent to not ""take a couple of weeks" But instead release instantly all at once? Always keep your enemies off balance, no?

David

Energetic forum,


I've been asked to make a special public announcement here on behalf of my team, regarding the project we've been secretly working on, namely, getting any and all engines to run without the use of a fossil based fuel.

The readers of this thread would already be aware that Tutanka, Moose53, and myself, have been diligently plugging away at resolving this issue, and we would now like to state publicly that we have succeeded.

We would like to say that we have confirmed the processes required to make any engine run on this new fuel(essentially water).

We are currently in the process of putting together a proof of concept disclosure.

Please allow us a few short weeks to get that done, at which time, we will go viral and make a general media announcement.

There is still much to do with regard to addressing a marketing approach, and we will be seeking advices of those people who are experts in those fields when the time comes, but for now, we simply ask that everyone remain patient and allow us to get on with the task at hand, thereby allowing us to get this project to completion in the shortest possible time.

We formally ask that everyone please respect our privacy and refrain from slowing us down by asking questions of us here on the forum. We also ask that people please stop sending us PM messages for now too.

We need to apply all our time and focus on what we're doing, thus for us to take the time to respond to any questions is only slowing us down as well as slowing down the release of this technology.

Thank you for being patient.

[rosco1]

Announcement.

Energetic forum,


I've been asked to make a special public announcement here on behalf of my team, regarding the project we've been secretly working on, namely, getting any and all engines to run without the use of a fossil based fuel.

The readers of this thread would already be aware that Tutanka, Moose53, and myself, have been diligently plugging away at resolving this issue, and we would now like to state publicly that we have succeeded.

We would like to say that we have confirmed the processes required to make any engine run on this new fuel(essentially water).

We are currently in the process of putting together a proof of concept disclosure.

Please allow us a few short weeks to get that done, at which time, we will go viral and make a general media announcement.

There is still much to do with regard to addressing a marketing approach, and we will be seeking advices of those people who are experts in those fields when the time comes, but for now, we simply ask that everyone remain patient and allow us to get on with the task at hand, thereby allowing us to get this project to completion in the shortest possible time.

We formally ask that everyone please respect our privacy and refrain from slowing us down by asking questions of us here on the forum. We also ask that people please stop sending us PM messages for now too.

We need to apply all our time and focus on what we're doing, thus for us to take the time to respond to any questions is only slowing us down as well as slowing down the release of this technology.

Thank you for being patient.

[rosco1]

Plasma shapes...

No didn't try to mod my own. I guess I could just cut off the ground strap with my dremel.

But plasma still spherical, no?

Correct, you will only get a "golf ball" shaped plasma by doing it that way.

By simply removing the earth strap, the spark/plasma will then do its work from the side area of the electrode, not the top, so you are rewarded with a radial firing potential, meaning the spark/plasma can now use a far greater electrode area, that being the entire circumference of the electrode(360 degree).

This is beneficial when the ionisation effect is considered, as it gives more free electrode area to work with, resulting in less missfires perhaps.

The real problem with taking this approach is still in the physical limitations of the materials used to construct the common spark plug. These materials are not designed to cope with the plasma energies you will be applying, so you must accept that rapid plug consumption will be a fact of life if you go about it that way.

[eternalightwithin]

No didn't try to mod my own. I guess I could just cut off the ground strap with my dremel.

But plasma still spherical, no?

[Aaron]

regular plug?

David,

Have you tried a resistorless plug off the shelf with the ground strap cut
off? At smaller discharge levels, should hold up pretty good. The one I used
in a lawnmower did with a plasma ignition. I was using 47uf cap dumps to
the coil.

[eternalightwithin]

I'm interested

I have a 5HP engine and the water spark plug circuit ready to go.
I've been wasting time trying to find an adequate spark plug.

David

[Aaron]

plasma plug

Rosco,

The plug sounds amazing!

The most I used was about 30-40 joules per blast and one single blast
of that on a regular plug shows wear on the little explosion mark.

I can only guess what the plug looks like. There could be geometry that
focuses the plasma I suppose. Nasa and the others always discussed the
Lorentz Force to eject the plasma from the plug since the plasma is repelled
by that magnetic field.

Nasa was using about 150 joules per blast and they had geometry in the
plug so that the Lorentz Force ejected torus rings of plasma into the
combustion chamber.

Anyway, very interesting and can't wait to see them!

Pretty wild how all these things came together.

[rosco1]

Solutions...

Aaron,

As you're already aware, normal spark plugs are generally only capable(construction material wise) of surviving up to about .2 or .3 joule.

Anywhere beyond that, and they're just gobbled up fast by the plasma.

You have to first know the plasma energy level required to attain the electrochemical reaction, then design a plug and ignition to suit that requirement.

We've already designed the plug, it's called the "Nascent Plug". It's a duel purpose plug, meaning it acts as the cylinder pre-heater(glow plug) in the start up cycle, as well as acting as the primary ignitor.

We've also designed a duel role ignition system, which is still as yet un-named. The ignition serves to pre-heat the cylinder in the start up cycle, as well as to fire the plug at whatever energy level we choose. This ignition system has interchangeable capacitor capability, enabling us to utilise capacitor sizes from 4.7uF all the way through to 1000uF. It has been tested and has proven itself to be rock solid.

Be aware, the plasma energy level requirement for the electrochemical reaction is within the vaporization zone, meaning it will vaporize diamond, tungsten, and anything else known to mankind.

Now, a normal plug would be lucky to survive for a minute or so at best in that kind of environment.

Specifically designing a plug made out of tungsten still does not meet the requirements mentioned above, for, as stated, the plasma energy level is in the area where tungsten cannot survive either, so while you may get a marginally longer operating life out of running a tungsten plug, it will still fail in short course.

** WARNING to anyone attempting to modify tungsten electrode(off the shelf) plugs, these often contain a powder joint, where the manufacturer joins the electrode to a tungsten tip, and this powder joint is only designed to withstand normal spark energies, not plasma energies, as quoted above(.2 to .3 joule). If you apply a high energy plasma through these types of plugs, they can explode at the powder joint, so please DO NOT attempt this. Safety first!

Our solution to all the inherent problems, was to painstakingly design a plug which "projects" the plasma outward, away from the firing points and plug base, in a controlled "Plasma Jet Plume" effect. Please look closely at the attached image. This is a very advanced plug.

I'm sure you've seen enough plasma to know that it usually always presents itself in a typical "golf ball" shape, thus, you'll also know that this "golf ball" shaped plasma will engulf the plug base, which, at the higher energy levels required, will see that vaporized pretty quickly, along with the roof of the combustion chamber and even the edges of the intake and exhaust valves.

Trying to remove a vaporization damaged plug from a likewise damaged combustion chamber would probably prove difficult, thus we decided to delete the "golf ball" shaped plasma issues and strive for a much more practical, albeit better "modelled" plasma shape.

By doing this, we can safely keep the high energy plasma away from the plug, extending its lifespan to the point where we see no discernable signs of wear, even at plasma energy levels well above those required to attain the electrochemical reaction.

We've tested our plug at (x)uF for 1 hour, in open air tests, with no cooling or anything to assist the plug, and it came out of that most gruelling test with flying colours, indeed, we did not see any significant signs of wear on any part of the plug.

In another test, we ran these plugs for several thousand kilometres in a gasoline engine, with water/methanol augmentation. The trigger was a standard HEI distributor, with a Crane Cams HI6 CDI added, along with a Crane Fireball PS91 ignition coil. Atop that was an Aquapulser RPG4700 radiant plasma generator, and I can assure you, no signs of wear whatsoever are apparent on the plugs when firing at these light plasma energy levels for prolonged periods.

@rmitoday, PM me please.

[Aaron]

part 2

http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbinen/GTP30-67/body_gtp30-67.html

After another deal with Bruce Linsmeyer from Avon Aero (http://www.avonaero.com


And here it is:



The voltage converter is based on a UC3843 current mode PWM flyback converter chip that allows the construction of a very compact and reliable power supply. Due to the extremely high switching speeds of power MOSFETs, the step-up transformer requires just about 100 turns for the secondary to produce up to 5kV. In this case I used PTFE-isolated PCB patch wire for the secondary because of its superb isolation characteristics.



This is a shot of my mill making the PCB (actually nothing much to see).







What a nice name for a resistor!



Bangbox


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http://www.gasturbine.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/page1.htm


Developments to Date

In 1999 my brother built me a high energy ignition system to my good friend Roger Marmion's design. The unit uses a surface discharge plug taken from a racing car engine, light up tests have shown that this arrangement is superior to the high tension systems previously adopted. The ignitor works by using an inverter to charge up a 2uf capacitor, a special trigger circuit provides a low energy spark which ionizes the air and causes a high curent flash-over at the spark plug tip.



Home Built High Energy Ignitor In Action!

[Aaron]

Gas Turbine Jet Engine homemade ignition system - plasma from 1966 inspiration

http://www.technologie-entwicklung.de/Gasturbines/Bangbox/bangbox.html

Bangbox

Ok, I call this thing simply the bangbox, because that is what it does when activated. Producing loud bangs. It actually is a high energy ignition system. And I think it cannot be built much simpler. This is what it looks like, not yet fit with the large storage capacitor, but only 100nF instead.


This picture shows the bangbox with a micro spark plug as used on small model aircraft IC engines. The plasma extends approx. 3mm from the gap and is really hot.


And this is how it works (click on the schematic for a larger version):

A flyback converter transforms the 12V input to approx. 2-3kV (adjustable, depending on energy storage capacitor capabilities) and charges the capacitor. Through a voltage-doubler circuit another (small) capacitor is charged. This cap is connected to an air spark gap, that connects to the primary of a Tesla transformer. When this gap breaks down, the secondary of the Tesla transformer induces about 15kV, which is superimposed over the voltage of the storage capacitor and causes breakdown of the ignition spark plug. Once ionized, the large current, supplied by the storage cap, flows through the Tesla secondary (resistance well below 0.1 Ohm) to the spark plug. A very similar design is used to ignite xenon short arc lamps or argon ion laser tubes.


These are the two transformers. The left one is the flyback transformer, primary 10 turns of 2 x 0.5mm dia bifilar, secondary 100 turns of 0.3mm dia, 4 layers with layer isolation. The core has an air-gap of 0.5mm. The right one is the Tesla transformer, secondary 20 turns, 2 1/2 layers, primary 4 turns, no core air-gap. The wire is 1mm dia silver plated copper, threaded into a PTFE tubing with 1.1mm inner dia. Both cores were recycled from power transformators, salvaged from blown desktop PC power supplies. They are approx. 40 x 35 x 12mm3 in size and are of N27 material.

You can download the CAD file for this device here.

http://www.ibfriedrich.com . The demo is only restricted in component count and should be more than sufficient for this circuit. An English language version is also available, as is the documentation.
To be continued as I get hold of a larger capacitor.

09/25/2000




If somebody needs one of these capacitors - I still have some left and will sell them cheap.