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[Allwest]

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I think I know where the power is coming from on these dry crystal cells,

My testing shows this but...

Just to confirm IB has the perfect setup to test the theory

IB, you around?

[Allwest]

They run at 1.2 volts at 2 Ma to run the led he needs two cells unless you use the oscillator.

Hmmm 1.47 volts 1.4Ma without charge (close maybe)

Allwest "DRY" power cell - YouTube

[plengo]

Mr Hav,

your pennies cell is super interesting. I am working with pennies now too (Crystal Cell Dry - 1 - Cooking - YouTube.

My technique is towards protecting the Magnesium. I think I did it. In this video, I am using a mix of Alum and MnO2 to corrode first 1mm of the Magnesium surface.

What this does is create a layer that does not allow any longer Alum with water to corrode the metal. If no excessive water is used.

On top of that I put another mix (which I will show on another video) of Alum, Epson and Di-Carbonate Sodium which becomes a "fomy" structure that loves water and it is very conductive.

In the end I have a cell the produces a good current, 2 to 5ma at .4v constantly until need a, literally, drop of water, that never reaches the Magnesium.

Fausto.

[DadHav]

@DadHav and vintasalo,

Brad S

Brad / Vin
I'm just bouncing around trying different things to see what might work but you are right my cell sort of died out after about a week of running the oscillator. Let me tell you some interesting things that took place. I decided to try charging the cell made from the pennies. I laughed when I hooked up the power supply because the impedance is so high on cell that it didn't mater what voltage I set, it wouldn't draw any current on the readout. So in this case it would mean that at 20 volts the current draw had to be less than 10ma to not show up on the PS meter. OK so I just plugged it into the output of my window motor that was running on a capacitor at about 2.2 volts. The output was a little higher with about 10 volt spikes. After a few hours and about an hour prior on the power supply, the cell lit the diode again. After the cell settled down to 2.452 volts it has been lighting the diode for several hours and has only dropped to 2.450 and it is fluctuating at that voltage. This looks like it's going to run a long time on a charge. I didn't expect that at all. OK, the bad news is the cell impedance is hard to work with. My window motor that will usually run at under a volt will not run on this penny cell even at 1.5 - 2 volts. It's hard to get used to and you keep thinking you must be out of tune but it's the cell impedance. You can have voltage that the load doesn't draw down but you have very little current to back up the voltage. WATT did I just say. Now to add to that I checked the current draw on the diode that was lit but not real bright. It was running at 5 uA. This is a diode from a $1.00 lawn light from Dollar tree. I never remembered these running so low. It's not surprising that the cell isn't dropping fast. I made another cell and this time ground the Epsom / Salt substitute into a very fine powder before adding the glue. I used the School Glue version of Elmer's and used only about the equivalent of maybe 4 drops to mix about a tablespoon full of salts. At first it doesn't want to mix but then the salts seem to let go of some moisture. I sanded the pennies with a 3 inch rubber backed sanding disk in the drill press. (naturally one side) I also filed the zinc side edge into a chamfer. One by one I piled up the pennies with about 1/6 inch of past between each layer. The wires where already soldered on the end pieces. I squeeze the whole stack in a small tooling vise with insulators so not to short the cell out, and then put the whole thing in the food dehydrator at about 150 degrees F for about 5 or 6 hours. After that I clean the outside of the cell carefully to make sure no paste is on the outside of the cell. I was trying not to get any current path from the zinc penny face to the edge of the coin. Thats the reason for the chamfer, it makes it easier to separate the anode and cathode.
Notes:
-Very high impedance. Voltage can actually be there without much current.
-Rechargeable? It looks like it. Still checking to see if it stays charged. Also some like to charge these cells with a dry cell. This would be perfect because you wouldn't draw much current from the charge battery and the voltage doesn't seem to matter.
Anyway this is all straight off the cuff and the whole thing could change tomorrow but I thought I'd jump in while the conversation is fresh.
I'm sorry if IB or JB or anyone else has already posted something similar. I just can't seem to read enough anymore.
Thanks for the fun idea IB. It's been fun even if it doesn't pan out. If it works good we can turn our walls into giant glue cells.
Take care all.
John Hav.

[Freezer]

Just wanted to post an update, here is an image of a pure zinc/lead cell after about 10 discharge cycles. Doesn't seem to be degrading much, although the led did eventually go out after a couple days.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9471/zlc3.jpg

I tried a graphite/lead cell with the same mix, but it didn't show the same response.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5383/glc2.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6573/glc2c1.jpg

[b_rads]

@DadHav and vintasalo,

Brad S

[vintasalo]

Hey you forgot one picture: The Powerpenny cell running 24 LED's with the Tesla / Rusty LidMotor Pancake Coil Oscillator.
John Hav.

Not to shabby.. Looks bright! I had a voltaic pile of these and eventually the power was lost, yet I was using Sodium silicate as my previous glue. I'll have to try this again with the school glue.

I'm going to try some experiments with different elements added to the epson/salt sub/ glue mix and see what results i get.

[DadHav]

Extra picture

Hey you forgot one picture: The Powerpenny cell running 24 LED's with the Tesla / Rusty LidMotor Pancake Coil Oscillator.
John Hav.

[DadHav]

Glue Power

Hello, I've tried a few experiments with the school glue. I cut some 4 inch strips of circuit board plate and glued a small piece of magnesium to the copper with the Epsom and Salt substitute. I also tried a few combinations with Alum. I actually had pretty good luck with the glue. I was able to run the Tesla coil oscillator with no problem. It stopped after a full day but after disconnecting for a full day and connecting again it's been running strong for about a week know. I also tried a cell made from pennies. So this would be a zinc / copper cell with the glue / Epsom / salt sub in between the pieces. I set the cell in a food dehydrator while clamped together for about a half day and it seemed to be dry enough to test. The cell was just over 3 volts and could light a diode without an oscillator. Thought the day the voltage dropped just below the on voltage for the LED. So far it runs very strong on the Tesla coil / Rusty LidMotor oscillator. I can easily light a 24 LED display and hold a voltage of about 1.3 volts. I don't know if it will hold up but it's really cute. I had corrosion on the strip cell with alum but don't know yet about the plain glue.

[vintasalo]

@MonsierM.. When you watch the whole video the ice works as well as the cold water. This goes to show how tornadoes and hurricanes form. Hot and Cold together produce an electrical current

@IBpointless.. I did an experiment with three different glues plus sodium silicate. What i found was that the regular school glue worked the best and provided the best output or MA.

Elmer Glues:

Craft bond/ Glue all/ School glue all had the same copper/ mag setup

The School Glue worked the best! Now I'm going to try a few different materials in the glue

[MonsieurM]

my apologies for intruding on your discussion .... but i thought the following might interest you ..... ice is crystal after all

PeltierModule-JouleThief-Fridge.avi - YouTube

i know some are experimenting with the Joule Ringer 3.0

[vintasalo]

I have already 4 batteries brand new waiting for the right moment. Now I am testing the limits of the Lead/Alum cells. They don't die. I have a new test running and it is already 2 weeks and she does not die, actually the voltage keeps increasing.

Unfortunately the power is extremely small which does not justify to use them for my crystal mix inside until I know what will happen exactly beforehand.

I am now working on a new dry cell too. Pennies from 1979 and before are very good.

Fausto.

I did the penny exercises on and off.. I believe its before 81 at about 82 the FED started counterfeiting our money and putting zinc inside to fool us.

I ground the 83 and up pennies down to zinc and just brushed up one side of the real copper pennies to test.

I did find an interesting video on magic rocks growing in a Sodium silicate mix which leads me to believe that were actually tapping into the GROWING of crystals in our crystal cells

Time-Lapse Magic Rocks - YouTube

[plengo]

@Plengo.. What if you took a new empty 12v Car battery or ATV battery and replaced the electrolyte with the contents of a crystal cell. Every chamber use a turkey baster and fill up with your mix. Even use IB Glue cell maybe?

I'm thinking about trying these idea's out myself Guys

I have already 4 batteries brand new waiting for the right moment. Now I am testing the limits of the Lead/Alum cells. They don't die. I have a new test running and it is already 2 weeks and she does not die, actually the voltage keeps increasing.

Unfortunately the power is extremely small which does not justify to use them for my crystal mix inside until I know what will happen exactly beforehand.

I am now working on a new dry cell too. Pennies from 1979 and before are very good.

Fausto.

[ibpointless2]

Hello IB. Did you happen to notice a difference in impedance with the cells you are talking about. I am running the famous Rusty LidMotor Pancake Oscillator with a small cell but get this. It won't run the oscillator unless there is a small capacitor across the the input. Any other cell doesn't need one. Anyway a small cell from a 4 inch strip of magnesium on a circuit board has a resting voltage of over 1.3 volts and has been running the oscillator for a day now at about .75-.76 volts. The voltage goes up and down slightly when the furnace goes on and changes the room temperature.
John Hav.

In past post I would say it is better to have your cell charge a capacitor instead of trying to run the load off the cell directly. The capacitor and a cell work great together. Make a couple of cell and have them charge capacitor and notice the effects it gives. See the voltage before hooking it up to the capacitor and see the voltage after being hooked up to a capacitor. You may need to use a low farad capacitor. Heat will affect a cell.

[vintasalo]

@IBpointless.. thanks for the link! Good job

I tried the same two ingredients awhile back When I first saw John Hutchinson's Crystal Cell.. Damn lol, that is the guy who got me Exploring this Journey. I tried them with sodium silicate but it seemed to burn the mag! I'm gonna test this again.

Damn Multi-Meter broke so waiting for Mail replacement. I tried your idea with 3 different types of Elmer Glue so I'm interested to see the results