3 Battery Generating System

[Duncan]

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[Turion]

Duncan,
Very, very interesting. I don't have any toroids lying around except extremely small ones and they are too big a pain to wrap, so I have ordered a couple to experiment with. My researching the things you brought up led me here:

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This, I believe, is a most interesting post in and of itself, but fits in with what we are all searching for. I feel like we are all nibbling around the edges of the same pie and eventually someone is going to take a bite and get bit of that dark chocolate filling. (My favorite)


Dave

[a.king21]

Duncan, your posted diagram is very similar to Richard Willis's Magnacoaster patent. Magnacoaster is shipping now BTW.
So the ou arises from the repeated gating of the Bloch wall. In the Benitez diagram which I posted, the capacitor is parallel to the coil - which is obviously also gating the Bloch wall.
So maybe Benitez was not quite right. Maybe the ou originates in the gating of the Bloch wall and the capacitor simply stores the energy and converts it to our conventional electricity.
This leads us to an important conclusion, and that is the core of the coil. It has to respond to mhz frequencies or the ou is lost. In Willis's case he specifically states in his patent that the output frequency is GREATER than the input frequency. This he calls an "echo" .
In Benitez's time the cores were designed to respond to high frequencies and this is the method adopted by Bedini in his multiple welding rod core recommendation.

[wsxian2]

[Turion]

Welcome!

wsxian2,

Great to have you here and posting results. Every little bit helps. The drawing you made is correct, so you are doing everything right.

Here's some info that may help.

With the RIGHT bad battery the system will start after about 15 minutes WITHOUT a load on battery three. Any battery will start the thing up with a load on battery 3.

To check and see if a battery will work after you have waited at least 15 minutes and it hasn't started on its own, spin the motor by hand. If it starts, you can use that battery and will see some cool stuff. You probably won't get runs longer than 20 minutes without charging up battery 3 and discharging the primaries, but you can do a run, let it rest for a couple hours, do a run let it rest. I have done this for WEEKS at a time with a bad battery and my primaries, while they go down, always recover if I don't go over about 20 minutes.

The direction of rotation of your motor will MAKE A DIFFERENCE in most cases. Why, I couldn't tell you. Once you get a setup that is working, reverse the wires on the motor and you will see that it either speeds up or slows down. From what I have experienced you want the higher rpm configuration.

Balancing the load on the motor with the load on battery three isn't really a matter of having the same load on both. It is more like....getting them in synch with each other...which could mean a small load on one and a large load on the other. That's one of the reasons it is such a pain in the butt to accomplish.

Hope that helps, and thanks for giving this a shot.

Dave

[Duncan]

to be expected...

Duncan, your posted diagram is very similar to Richard Willis's Magnacoaster patent. Magnacoaster is shipping now BTW.
So the ou arises from the repeated gating of the Bloch wall. In the Benitez diagram which I posted, the capacitor is parallel to the coil - which is obviously also gating the Bloch wall.
So maybe Benitez was not quite right. Maybe the ou originates in the gating of the Bloch wall and the capacitor simply stores the energy and converts it to our conventional electricity.
This leads us to an important conclusion, and that is the core of the coil. It has to respond to mhz frequencies or the ou is lost. In Willis's case he specifically states in his patent that the output frequency is GREATER than the input frequency. This he calls an "echo" .
In Benitez's time the cores were designed to respond to high frequencies and this is the method adopted by Bedini in his multiple welding rod core recommendation.

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[Skeptic]

Suggested Over Unity Test

Hi Turion: So with your new Polaris, after determining its usable range under average controlled course conditions (Maybe 15-20 miles or so this time of year running in extended range mode?), maybe you would consider removing 2 of the 3 batteries and use them in a successful offline 3 battery test until you find a dead battery that will last a good amount of time, then return the 2 batteries to the Polaris (with the 3rd Polaris battery charged up), and see if the same range is available. This method of testing will have the advantage of not invalidating your Polaris warranty and will show very credible evidence of an over unity situation that is straight forward and clear cut. You must know by now that I do not believe that over unity exists in our universe, but that does not prevent me from wishing you well. I will take no joy if the test fails, but hope to set a high enough bar for over unity proof such that it will attract more qualified people to the effort. What do you think? Also - have you tried using a specific gravity tester on dead battery candidates to see if it can predict success? Since I'm quite certain of your sincerity, I will take your word on what you may find out.

[Duncan]

Hi Turion: So with your new Polaris, after determining its usable range under average controlled course conditions (Maybe 15-20 miles or so this time of year running in extended range mode?), maybe you would consider removing 2 of the 3 batteries and use them in a successful offline 3 battery test until you find a dead battery that will last a good amount of time, then return the 2 batteries to the Polaris (with the 3rd Polaris battery charged up), and see if the same range is available. This method of testing will have the advantage of not invalidating your Polaris warranty and will show very credible evidence of an over unity situation that is straight forward and clear cut. You must know by now that I do not believe that over unity exists in our universe, but that does not prevent me from wishing you well. I will take no joy if the test fails, but hope to set a high enough bar for over unity proof such that it will attract more qualified people to the effort. What do you think? Also - have you tried using a specific gravity tester on dead battery candidates to see if it can predict success? Since I'm quite certain of your sincerity, I will take your word on what you may find out.

1st post and a septic skeptic that we are supposed to "know by now"?
how does that work. how many AKAs do you have nothing to prove here its done and dusted as far as OU goes, as for the bike idea why don't you take a hike?

[Turion]

Skeptic,
The Polaris Ranger EV I have takes 8 batteries. The machine is located on my property in Northern California, while everything else is located on my property in San Jose, CA. two and a half hours away. I only go to the property on the weekends, and not every weekend. I happen to be going up there tomorrow, but I am not sure exactly how to do this test to ANYBODY'S satisfaction. The property I own there is very hilly, so any driving involves a lot of severe ups and downs. It is one of the reasons I bought the EV in the first place. To go back and forth between the two properties trying to do a test makes no sense and would take weeks. This is not a cop out, because I would gladly perform a bench test that I can control ALL WEEK LONG on my bench.

I would propose a different test. I could take two new batteries from the store, charge them to assure they are completely and fully charged, and then run a load of choice until those batteries have reached a certain point. (Run a 12 volt motor constantly until it stops running) Then recharge the batteries and do this again a couple times to get an average. I think we would agree that this is NOT the best thing to do with batteries and harms them somewhat when you run them below the 80% you are supposed to. In fact, it can turn them into two bad batteries, but that's ok too. I would run off one battery at a time and run at reduced, set rpm using a potentiometer to adjust rpm since I know it will run on slightly less that 12 volts when connected to the 3BGS setup.

I would then take those same two batteries, recharge them and add the third DEAD bad battery to the setup and run at the same reduced rpm in the 3BGS setup. I would only run 10 to 15 minutes at a time, using the off time to discharge the 3rd battery and let it return to a condition where it will work the correct way in the system. I would run it this way at the same rpm for as long as there is power in the primaries to do so. I would repeat this cycle over and over and over for days. If, at the end, I have not run significantly longer than in a standard setup I would conclude that there is nothing to see here. If, however, I have run for five or ten times longer than with the standard setup at the same speed, and the primaries are still charged, I would conclude that there is something to this.

Would that be an acceptable test??

If so, I have done that test several times over the last five years, and have NO PROBLEM doing it again, or some modified version of it. The problem is, I cannot do a CONTINUOUS run or the 3rd battery will become charged, "repaired", and the setup will NOT work. This is the ONLY thing that makes what we see difficult to prove to anyone. If we got continuous runs EVERYONE could see what we see with no problem at all.

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In my opinion, the only REAL test would be to do something like using a motor to run a motor as a generator with the two new 12 volt batteries. Take the output of the generator into a storage device, like a huge cap or bank of caps. Run it until the batteries will no longer run the motor and then measure what has accumulated in the cap bank.

Now drain that cap bank, recharge the batteries and run the same setup on the 3BGS. Stop whenever you need to to let the 3rd battery be drained down, but keep going until what is in the cap or cap bank is far beyond what was generated by the two batteries running the motor and turning the generator. With something like this, you don't have to worry about rpm's, amps in, amps out, blah, blah, blah. All you have to do is measure which setup deposited the most power in the cap bank and how much more did it deposit. People from all over the country could take two stock razor scooter motors and the same kinds of off the shelf batteries and repeat and verify the data. Would that satisfy the scientists and skeptics out there?

I have only done THIS test once,and it was a really long time ago. It should use new, fully charged batteries, and you should have at least three sets to get an average. The thing is, they can be the small 3.5 amp hour batteries. They don't have to be the big ones.

Dave

[Skeptic]

Over Unity testing

Turion - Thanks for the reply - sorry, I wasn't sure which model Polaris you bought - always wanted one of those! I'm not sure from your description if the tests you've done are what I was thinking of. It might be nice to test the 2 good batteries without fully discharging them - perhaps just run them down to a specified voltage. The test I had in mind would have 3 phases, 2 of which are offline from the 3 battery setup. This would isolate the testing from the voltage variations inherent in the 3 battery test and the intermittent nature of the 3 battery setup. Also, it could allow you to run the 3 battery test in the "sweet spot" the best way you know how. So phase one is pretty much what you presented with the 2 batteries. Phase 2 is running the best (and longest) 3 battery setup possible - it could take multiple tries but that will not affect the test. Phase 3 happens when the 3 battery setup will run no more. The 2 good batteries are now tested again to see if they now can match the performance of phase 1. If you have not done this, it might be helpful. Let me know what you think!

Duncan, Turion and I have been talking back and forth for a while on another
board. I switched over because it was more appropriate here and I would not like having a reply removed by an unreasonable moderator. Since my "know by now" remark was clearly to David, how is it that you take offense for everyone else calling me names? Nothing to prove here? I disagree. Over unity is a big deal of massive proportion. It would free humanity of the energy crisis not to mention break the known laws of physics that have not had a single exception in hundreds of years. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". That proof cannot be an internet video, inventions that cannot operated by anyone without the inventor around, patents that never require proof in a working model, rumors of great plans from dead inventors. That's what's different here - willingness to test in the open. Many times in the past, inventors in many fields have not been rigorous enough in their testing and proof. A friendly skeptic can help avoid this. No matter what you may say, I will never insult anyone here no matter what. That's a promise to everyone here.

[Turion]

So, if I understand correctly.... (sometimes I am rather dense when it comes to this stuff. I make no claims to being some kind of genius. I just got extremely lucky one day)

Phase 1 would be to run the motor for as long as possible on two batteries, basically until she runs no more.

Phase 2 would be to recharge these batteries and run these batteries in the 3 BGS for as long as I can without drawing down on the primaries, letting them rest, etc in short runs, doing whatever and document the amount of time they ran the motor.

Phase 3 would be to then to reconnect the motor to the two batteries (without recharging) and see if they ran for as long as they did in phase 1???

Essentially attempting to see if the time the motor ran off the 3BGS was "free" time??

That I can do. It will probably be Monday before I can get around to it. I am packing up right now to leave for the weekend, and I would want to get the batteries all charged up and measured before I began phase 1.

Dave

[Skeptic]

Over Unity Testing

Yes - That is correct! Showing fully charged batteries at phase 3 would be both impressive, straight forward, and easy to duplicate - the stuff of wide acceptance! If successful, this would really attract the kind of attention leading to acceptance by the established scientific community. What university could resist such a test?

Have a great weekend and thanks for listening.

[shylo]

Well

The test runs I've done , Show a longer run time

[Turion]

shylo,
We just have to convince folks to try this for themselves. That's the only way they are ever really going to believe the results of the tests. But we can keep trying.

[Duncan]

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