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Last edited by Duncan; 06-12-2013, 09:32 AM.Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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davesw,
Yes all three batteries need to be the same kind. The original batteries I had were AGM. I have had runs up to four weeks long where the primaries charged and I was able to run loads using flooded lead acid before the batteries repaired themselves. BUT, I have also wondered if there might be something about an AGM battery that (once it gets in the condition we want) prevents it from repairing itself, which was why I had a setup that worked originally.
Duncan,
I have always wondered if the reason my original setup quit working was that when I took it apart to take to the patent lawyer in California, I put it back together with the motor wired in reverse and that was why it no longer worked. Or the battery repaired itself. Who knows.
I also aded a couple more things to the summary aboveLast edited by Turion; 06-12-2013, 04:57 PM.Comment
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Mechanical Load
Hi davesw, I am not sure how much load Turion actually had on his motor but I am sure it was a mechanical load. If you read post one carefully he explains that you have to keep the load on the motor balanced against the load on batt #3. In other words as you increase the electrical load on batt #3 you have to increase the mechanical load on the motor so that the current through the motor increases also to be able to maintain the electrical load on batt #3. I personally at one time had an inverter connected to batt #3 and had a load on the inverter of a 60 watt 120 volt bulb. I measured the voltage on the bulb and it was 120 volts just as it should have been coming from the inverter. I had a 24 volt scooter motor connected as my motor. Of course it was not running at full speed because of the reduced voltage to it. However I had the scooter motor connected to a 90 volt DC motor which I was using as a generator. Since the speed of the scooter motor is normally twice the speed of the DC motor it worked fine turning the DC motor as a generator. I was able to use the DC motor as a generator to light a 6 watt 120 volt night light to almost full brightness. The voltage on it was about 95 volts because I was turning the generator at only a little above its normal speed.
By varying the size of the bulb on my inverter and the size of the bulb on the generator I was able to get my system into balance. You have to be vary careful if you use an inverter on batt #3 as the system has a habit of destroying inverters so most of us have stopped using them on batt #3. However by getting my system balanced I was able to run this system for almost a week by running it for an hour or so and then letting my batteries rest for several hours. They would come back to full voltage by themselves and then I could run it again for an hour or so. Since I could run them like this for a week I really don't believe the batteries were just restoring their surface charge like some have theorized. My system only stopped working when the bad battery started getting repaired and taking a normal charge.
As Turion has said several times and I can verify, this system only does the magic or whatever you want to call it with certain "dead" batteries. I have gone through probably 30 or more "dead" batteries and only found 1 that really worked well as batt #3. A lot of people have tried this and not seen anything special because they didn't find the right "dead" battery.
Well anyway hope this info is some help to you and I am looking forward to any info you can give us about "dead" batteries.
Respectfully, CarrollJust because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.Comment
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Carroll is right, this thing can be hell on inverters. I have burnt up some expensive ones! Having said that, my original setup did use an inverter. I was brand new to this stuff, so I took no real measurements whatsoever. I balanced the loads on the inverter by torquing down on a pulley arrangement I had connected to the motor which made it harder for the motor to turn. This was hard on the rubber belt. I ran a shop vac, a lamp and an electric drill all at the same time, but how many watts or amps that pulled, I could't tell you. I ran these devices and several others (there were only three plugs on the inverter) for most of a day and for several days in a row and the primaries went up so high in voltage(one of those days...17 or 18 volts) that we got scared and ran out of the room.
On another occasion I also connected the thing to my dad's bank of 6 volt (wired in pairs for 12 volts, and then wired in series) battery bank which was dead and charged the entire bank in less than a half hour.
Those are examples of the power this thing puts out.
That was then, and this is now. Here at the house I have a light board with a row of bulbs that are AC, and a row of bulbs that are DC all connected to switches. I have run a motor attached to the shaft of the Razor Scooter motor as generator through a full wave bridge to the DC bulbs, and connected an inverter to battery 3 to run the AC bulbs. AT times I have had 65 watts on the AC side balanced with 150 watts on the DC side for quite a while. There HAVE been times when the AC side was up over 300 watts, but that was hard to balance and it would not run long before the inverter shut it off. That still really doesn't give you any direct measurement of what the setup was putting out, but on these occasions the primary batteries either went up in voltage slightly, or went down slightly but regained their original charge (or higher) after resting.
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Dave,
The one good thing about this setup is that it isn't that expensive to play with. Most people doing any kind of FE research have a couple batteries lying around and bad ones you can pick up for free. I have a deal with three different stores in my area where I trade bad battery for bad battery. Auto parts places, Batteries + and other stores can help you out. Even auto salvage yards. Lots of places have stacks of bad batteries just crying out to be tested.
Like Carroll, I have gone through a LOT of bad batteries to find a few that would work. Duncan was lucky and got one first shot, but that doesn't happen often. So good luck. Finding a battery that will work in the third position is frustration number one. But what is even MORE frustrating is when this setup repairs it and restores it to like new. I should go into the battery sales business since I have all these bad batteries I have restored, but I just convert them over to alum and will add them to my battery bank for the off the grid system I am building up at my new place. For right now, I have a vented room full of restored, charged batteries stacked on shelves if the power ever goes out here in California from an earthquake or whatever.
But please understand, this is not JUST about the battery anymore. The motor design for a pulse motor Matt disclosed here puts out more power than it takes in. (Not a lot, but a couple volts!) If you pulse that motor on a high voltage (36 volts or higher) you have adequate torque to do some serious work. If that motor is connected in the 3BGS setup with 48 volts on one side and 12 on the other, and you pulse it by interrupting the connection between the primaries and battery 3, you get incredibly long run times without discharging the primaries, even with a NOT SO GREAT bad battery...running off the potential difference. Now you can do work. What work you ask. Now we're working on a lenz free generator to be run by Matt's motor as the prime mover. So this thing is moving forward step by step, and we WILL figure it out. Little bits of info are coming to light every single day, and I can't wait for each day to start. Some day SOON!!!
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Now this is what I have been waiting to hear. Matt is in my opinion spot on with it being a motor thing....I have gotten similar results......I have a "prime mover" (I'm not justified in calling it a motor....yet...), which leaves the input at higher voltage than what you started with.Originally posted by Turion View Post
Like Matt's motor mine generates a (forgive the term...) transient like phenomena which like in the 3BGS goes off the scope in both directions, regardless of zoom....(this is not the collapsing field transient....I have that transient suppressed, doing measurable work!!!) when this wave manifests, everything electronic in the working area of the device and beyond if sensitive enough stops working....LOL....
Operating this device is likened to operating a powerful Tesla coil wanna be, every electronic device in the house has a powerful interference superimposed into it! If that device has an amplifier in it....the amplifier amplifies the interference!!! Unlike the 3BGS, my machine has no commutator...so there is no sparking of any kind....the device is electronically commuted...simple PWM, and yet, I get behavior similar to spark gap or commutated devices...
Not sure if you guys are experiencing these kinds of effects yet...if so do tell...if not...interesting....as we are generating a similar waveform...
Regards
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Originally posted by erfinder View Post
Its a Scalar. Put it in an old microwave, the spike will come through.
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Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
Great Matt ... straight to the point .... I was /am busy writing tests and looking for that clip of the guy in canada putting the Radio in a dustbin .
bang "job done" still I'll keep scribbling .. keeps me out of trouble!
Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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Right...I am making no claims...I have no idea what the wave is....all I can say is nothing stops it...it doesn't appear that you can shield it.... I had the the device in something akin to a Faraday cage, and it didn't stop the waves coming out of the device from interfering with everything electronic in the room!Originally posted by Matthew Jones View Post
Your response leads me to believe that you too have experienced this kind of destructive behavior from your device?
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My previous statement regarding it (the scalar?) not being stoppable isn't entirely accurate....if you touch the coils which isn't possible in many cases like with the 3BGS you can dampen the broadcast ability, not eliminate it but dampen it...also, if you place a bifilar wound pancake in close proximity to the device with the bifilar pancake shorted on itself, it has a similar dampening effect....for what its worth....Last edited by erfinder; 06-15-2013, 02:06 PM.Comment
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20110324185908 (1).mpg - YouTubeOriginally posted by erfinder View PostLast edited by Duncan; 06-15-2013, 02:55 PM.Whatever you can do,or dream you can,begin it.Boldness has genius,power and magic in it.Begin it now.Comment
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