3 Battery Generating System

[davesw]

I couldn't sleep this morning so as I made the wife coffee, I was pondering the 3BGS and thought I would share something. I have repeated the story many times of how, when my original device "came to life" after 15 minutes, I immediately put a meter on battery three.
What I saw was that it would read 24 volts, go slowly down to 18 IN JUST A MATTER OF MINUTES, at which point the motor would start, and it would continue to run as the voltage continued to drop down to around 8 or 9 volts, at which point the motor would shut off.
The voltage would immediately jump to 24 volts and the process would repeat over and over.

so here is my take on it -

What I saw was that it would read 24 volts,
Bat 3 is high impedance so there is no current flow to drop voltage over the motor so the supply voltage is being totally transferred to bat 3

go slowly down to 18 IN JUST A MATTER OF MINUTES,
The only way the voltage here can fall below the supply voltage (24v) is by a current flow into bat3 causing a volt drop across the motor. (24-18 = 6v across motor)

at which point the motor would start,and it would continue to run as the voltage continued to drop down to around 8 or 9 volts,at which point the motor would shut off. The voltage would immediately jump to 24 volts and the process would repeat over and over.

[erfinder]

Hello Duncan,

Lets do a thought experiment...In the video you sent me links to the guy speaking mentioned the Tesla electric car conversion. The story I'm sure you know well...

Here is a question or two......

Was the mystery box a power supply for the motor (what we are led to believe...), if so...how did it work...in layman terms.

Or was the motor its own power supply and the box a solid state switching device...


This applies to what we are discussing here on this thread....(I hope....)

Regards

[Matthew Jones]

Your response leads me to believe that you too have experienced this kind of destructive behavior from your device?

I am looking to tune into it at lower/Higher frequencies to power loads remotely, but its summer and the food is growing so all else takes a backstage for the moment.

Matt

[tachyoncatcher]

So Close

Without electrolyte we may have a problem here in that we are using a battery not a cell. To recap, a battery is a collection of cells connected in series. We are connecting to the two end cells. Without electrolyte we may not have the connection necessary through the battery to energize the resonance with our motor pulse. Now, with a single cell, all the positive plates are connected in parallel and all the negative plates are connected in parallel. So, when we connect to one cell the pulse will energize both sides of the cell. (We could connect a number of cells in parallel, that would still work.)

DaveSw

DaveSw,
Your postulates match my experimental results. Amazing! And you are right, a dry battery will not work. But, a partially hydrated battery does work longer than a fully hydrated battery. Problem is, it just slows down the repair process when using sulfated batteries for the third position. You are also correct regarding the 3rd battery and adding loads to it, to start up the pulse motor.
I believe there is a tunneling effect similar to what is seen in some semi-conductors, happening in the third battery. this is... yes Duncan, creating a resonance that is causing the battery to act as an antenna. That resonance, coupled with the scalar, creates an influx. I have had similar results to Dave's. I can tell you the influx does adjust to the load demand.
As @erfinder so astutely pointed out. That scalar can be dampened or weakened. I think this is important as one gets closer to the truth. No need to alert FCC of our experiments, is there. The broadcast distance of those scalars is phenomenal.

Randy

[erfinder]

DaveSw,
The broadcast distance of those scalars is phenomenal.
Randy

500v input knocks out all electronics in my house..Don't try this at home kids...that Blue-ray player, PSP, X-Box, your choice of digital reciever, and anything else electronic that you prize has no safe place to hide when these things are really up and running...you thought frying 12-48 transistors in a SG circuit in a single sitting was bad....frying all the electronic devices in your home is a tad worse..not to mention.....expensive....

I agree....the broadcast distance is phenomenal...

Regards

[Duncan]

Hello Duncan,

Lets do a thought experiment...In the video you sent me links to the guy speaking mentioned the Tesla electric car conversion. The story I'm sure you know well...

Here is a question or two......

Was the mystery box a power supply for the motor (what we are led to believe...), if so...how did it work...in layman terms.

Or was the motor its own power supply and the box a solid state switching device...


This applies to what we are discussing here on this thread....(I hope....)

Regards

Marcus Reid Crystal Converter Battery - Casimir Effect - Part 1 - YouTubeTuning up the Alexanderson Alternator at SAQ - 1st July 2012 - YouTube

[Turion]

Yes!!!!!

davesw,
I agree with you completely, which is why I brought that part of the story up ONCE AGAIN, because I believe it is SO IMPORTANT to understanding what was happening with that first battery and why all subsequent attempts at replication have fallen short.

I have a battery I cut the top off with a hack saw and it has been sitting drying out for MONTHS. The only connections between the cells or plates are the ones I make with jumpers. It is an AGM battery like the original batteries were, and I intend to do lots of testing with it.

I am out of town probably for a few more days, but by the time I finally get to where I have Internet access without having to go out on the second floor porch and hang out over the rail to get cell reception, you guys will probably have figured this thing out!!

Dave

[Duncan]

sorta like this (perhaps)



What I saw was that it would read 24 volts,
Bat 3 is high impedance so there is no current flow to drop voltage over the motor so the supply voltage is being totally transferred to bat 3



go slowly down to 18 IN JUST A MATTER OF MINUTES,
The only way the voltage here can fall below the supply voltage (24v) is by a current flow into bat3 causing a volt drop across the motor. (24-18 = 6v across motor)

The Piezo Effect Explained, Piezoelectric Effect, Tutorial, by PI Ceramic

Finding the energy stored in a solenoid? - Yahoo! Answers at some point the motor obviously must overcome inertia and rotate

[davesw]

@tachyoncatcher
Your postulates match my experimental results. Amazing!
Thank you! It is nice to know that. Not being able to experiment myself at the moment is VERY frustrating!!

And you are right, a dry battery will not work. But, a partially hydrated battery does work longer than a fully hydrated battery. Problem is, it just slows down the repair process when using sulfated batteries for the third position.
Ok. So that is telling us that the electrolyte is causing the problem in that it allows the battery to heal. (Which is after all, what it is there for!) As I mentioned in the other post, the reason the dry battery will not work is because by removing the electrolyte, we are breaking the electrical connection across the battery. When we connect to the two end poles of a dry battery, there is nothing to spread the electrical load across the other cells. With a 24v supply we should get 4v across each cell but with a dry battery we should get no reading at all across the middle cells. That was why I suggested using just one cell. By clipping to each side of one dry cell we can still get the load to be across the plates. The tuning to get it to resonate may be quite different though.

You are also correct regarding the 3rd battery and adding loads to it, to start up the pulse motor.
Does the voltage still fall off and increase like before? Obviously it will not go right back, because the load is allowing some flow, but we should get some sort of fluctuation.

I believe there is a tunneling effect similar to what is seen in some semi-conductors, happening in the third battery. this is... yes Duncan, creating a resonance that is causing the battery to act as an antenna. That resonance, coupled with the scalar, creates an influx.
Yes. We have a big block of mixed semiconductor here and who knows what is going on inside it. It may well be some sort of tunneling effect. This is one of the odd things that happen when you try to bring back a sulphated battery. At first they draw almost nothing, then slowly a small current starts up. Almost like water seeping through a dam. We were always taught that it was the sulphate starting to break down, But I feel that was too simplistic an answer. After all, if the sulphate can convert so quickly to start with, why does it take so long to clear the battery? So I always felt there was a different issue going on at the start. Like Duncan suggests, it could also be some sort of crystal thing going on simply from the voltage across the crystal build up.

I have had similar results to Dave's. I can tell you the influx does adjust to the load demand.


As @erfinder so astutely pointed out. That scalar can be dampened or weakened. I think this is important as one gets closer to the truth. No need to alert FCC of our experiments, is there. The broadcast distance of those scalars is phenomenal.

[Duncan]

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b4/PAPCVEN2007oktober(10).pdf

http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b4/Pap2.pdf

[davesw]

@Turion
You posted -

Yes!!!!!davesw,I agree with you completely, which is why I brought that part of the story up ONCE AGAIN, because I believe it is SO IMPORTANT to understanding what was happening with that first battery and why all subsequent attempts at replication have fallen short.


I have a battery I cut the top off with a hack saw and it has been sitting drying out for MONTHS. The only connections between the cells or plates are the ones I make with jumpers. It is an AGM battery like the original batteries were, and I intend to do lots of testing with it.
Great! Please see my comments in the other posts about batteries and cells and the lack of electrolyte to pass the connection.

I am out of town probably for a few more days, but by the time I finally get to where I have Internet access without having to go out on the second floor porch and hang out over the rail to get cell reception, you guys will probably have figured this thing out!!
Gee I wish! I think you are pretty safe!

Davesw

[Duncan]

500v input knocks out all electronics in my house..Don't try this at home kids...that Blue-ray player, PSP, X-Box, your choice of digital reciever, and anything else electronic that you prize has no safe place to hide when these things are really up and running...you thought frying 12-48 transistors in a SG circuit in a single sitting was bad....frying all the electronic devices in your home is a tad worse..not to mention.....expensive....

I agree....the broadcast distance is phenomenal...

Regards

For quite a long time something relating to a coil called a caduceus has been bothering me relating to this system . It does have quite a lot in common with the wave forms you are experiencing and it also has the peculiar property of being resonant at all frequencies.
Here is J L Naudin demonstrating the same experiment shown on the video , of course in this case its extremely directional. (and not a dustbin)
Test of the EM Soliton pulses through an EM shield by Jean-Louis Naudin
The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin

[Turion]

Duncan,
I have a Leedskalnin PMH I play around with. I put a clockwise wound coil on the right side of the PMH and a counterclockwise wound coil on the left side of the PMH. (As the two ends point directly at me) If you put these two coils TOGETHER they would be a caduceus coil, but I wound them as two separate coils. I rotated a rotor with NSNSNSNS magnets on it. The beginning of the two coils were tied together and the ends of the two coils were tied together. This leaves two wires. Short those out or add a load and the motor running the rotor speeds up.

I shared this with Matt just before I left town but have not had time to develop it yet. By the way, on the front of Ed's book, "Magnetic Current", where he explains how to build a PMH there is the title, his name, and two squiggly lines side by side that you could argue are the two wires of a caduceus coil separated from each other. Check it out: Leedskalnin's Writings: MAGNETIC CURRENT

Ideas anyone?? How about a pulse motor with caduceus coils as generator coils.

Dave

[Cornboy 555]

Waves,

For quite a long time something relating to a coil called a caduceus has been bothering me relating to this system . It does have quite a lot in common with the wave forms you are experiencing and it also has the peculiar property of being resonant at all frequencies.
Here is J L Naudin demonstrating the same experiment shown on the video , of course in this case its extremely directional. (and not a dustbin)
Test of the EM Soliton pulses through an EM shield by Jean-Louis Naudin
The Soliton Pulses Generator experiment by Jean-Louis Naudin

Hello Duncan, Dave, and all, hope you don't mind me butting in here, i would just like to know Duncan, what you or anyone here could sugest as the best protection to stifle Scalar waves from the populas in general, being emitted, from our experiments, and motors.

Regards Cornboy.

[erfinder]

Hi,

In my opinion, the PMH as Ed Leedskalnin gave it to us is a kind of magnetic oscillator....if its not setup correctly and placed in the proper magnetic circuit, you cannot take advantage of this oscillating property...(as a side note...this magnetic oscillating feature is why I don't think we need "Barium Ferrite" magnets to make a so-called free energy generator, in defense of those who would suggest that the material is necessary, the use of that material in concert with this kind of winding topology would be an unparalleled match...)

This winding is (major speculation on my part again...) the coil of choice in those systems where a coil is "shorted on itself.." lots of patents out there where the design incorporates a coil shorted on itself...

Leedskalnin was a trickster, and he made this clear when speaking about misleading the scientists who came to visit..That being said...we should take a closer look at the coils, and use common sense when constructing the apparatus...It has been my experience that when the coils are properly connected, depending on your topology, you can end up with one of two wave forms. For the sake of clarity I'll only reference the one that everyone should be familiar with and capable of generating.... The attached image is of a small G-Field, I don't know who built it, and I have no idea how it works, how its windings are wound, nor how they are inner connected...what I do know and what matters to me is the wave form in that image.

According to this link...

Fourier series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That wave is special... That waveform that we see associated with that G field generator and the wave that I am generating in some of my devices...is part of a series of waves...These waves, all odd harmonics, lead to the generation of a square wave...and that is exactly what happens in my machines...When the square wave manifests, that's when you begin to store the CEMF which is in opposition to the applied EMF....this stored up CEMF then discharges back into the primary when you stop driving the device as a motor...

UFO Politics is WRONG about CEMF! WRONG WRONG WRONG!! PERIOD!!! Damn...that felt good.. Why anyone would make it their mission in life to snuff out that one good thing is beyond me...CEMF is a gift not a curse, ignorance that's the problem....

The question that should be asked after the most important question is answered....(the most important will be skipped over.......as usual....owing to that little voice inside which says....build it test it....build build test test test...)

is....

How MUST we connect our coils...
Easy answer...EFTV25


Almost forgot...a video of one my rigs generating that wave.....

G-Field Generator Waveform - YouTube


Regards