3 Battery Generating System

[Hrothgar]

Has anyone had one of the "Bad" batteries dissected?

Finding the shape the size positioning and the qualities of the crystals themselves may be key.

Thinking of this as it comes to me, would it be possible to preserve the crystals if you replaced the batteries acid with a different electrolyte that won't combine with the crystals? after all the acid is only needed to charge a battery. You aren't trying to charge a battery, far from it.

[Turion]

That is one of the possible avenues of exploration....different kinds of "bad" batteries. In some of the early posts you will see that Matt had some great results with large resistors in parallel with the bad battery. We are trying lots of things and don't spend a lot of time here on the thread. Too busy doing stuff to try and make this work.

Dave

[Turion]

We need alchemist who is an expert on crystals

Errr, I meant to type "a chemist" but I'll leave that as it stands.

[a.king21]

Some answers

I think I can shed some light on this problem.
The brushed motor has something you appear to be overlooking.
A SPARK GAP!
Now a correct spark gap will oscillate in the mhz range. A conditioned "bad battery" acts like a capacitor. When you pulse this "capacitor" in the mhz range you get ou. This info re capacitor pulsing is from a patent by Carlos Benitez.
The battery remains "conditioned" for a couple of days. Then the effects wear off. It also explains the weird voltage effects.
A charged battery no longer behaves like a capacitor.

Hope this helps.

[Turion]

Believe me, we have NOT overlooked the spark gap. We realize it is essential to making this setup work. And it is the reason that pulsed DC motors work better than standard DC motors as we have discussed many times on this thread.

We also believe the Bad Battery acts like a Capacitor, BUT a capacitor in place of battery 3 will NOT work, so it is more than "acting like a capacitor". We too have read the Benitez patents and built Benitez devices (which work by the way). But there is more to this than that. When you get the right setup, it is as if a gate has been opened letting in all the energy in the world, and you can run an inverter off battery three and run HUGE loads without affecting the voltage in the primaries at ALL. In fact, with the right load on the motor the two primaries will climb in voltage.

You shed some light, but there is still a lot to this that is in the shadows and more in the dark.

Dave

[Mario]

Hi Turion and all,

up to how much capacity size caps have you tried instead of batt 3?

regards,
Mario

[wrtner]

wrtner,

If you are in the US, Radio Shack has brushed DC motors for a couple dollars. Also Razor Scooter motors are brushed DC motors

Are these not magnet field motors which will cause the rotor to
"click" over and cause resistance? - an issue with the Bedini/Watson
project.

Should the motor be a wound field motor?

Also, since the voltage of B1 and B2 add up to 24v and B3 will be
around 6 - 8 v, should the motor to be able to handle 16v up to
a possible 24v ?

You mention a pulse dmotor. There are many designs. Is there a
recommended design?

[Turion]

Turion

MArio,
I personally have only used smaller caps 200 volt 680 uf (3 in parallel). Others may or may not have used larger. They would have to comment, and a LOT of folks have tried that I believe.

12 volt brushed DC motors have worked, even though the potential difference is between 16-24 volts, simply because of the way we have it wired. Not as much heat in the motor in this configuration. In fact, Duncan posted that the batteries developed frost on them during one of his runs, which is what convinced HIM that there was something special about this.

As to the pulse motor...we are using one designed by Matt Jones because it is very SIMPLE in design. It is a rewind of the 16 pole Razor Scooter motor. I have also used UFO's 16 pole motor design on this with some amazing results (see the link at the bottom of this post) Info on Matt's motor is in a pdf posted here by Tacheoncatcher (sp) somewhere. I don't have time to look for it, but it's on this thread.

[wrtner]

Duncan posted that the batteries developed frost on them during one of his runs, which is what convinced HIM that there was something special about this.

I think the frost is associated with "cold electricity". Maybe Peter L.
would comment on this.

It may be important.

[wrtner]

Info on Matt's motor is in a pdf posted here by Tacheoncatcher (sp) somewhere. I don't have time to look for it, but it's on this thread.

Tachyoncatcher's post may be this one:

Page 60.
Post 1784.

[Turion]

That's definitely the right post for the info on the modified pulse motor. I should point out that those of us who have put a scope and meters on the motor have seen that when you have a certain voltage going into the motor, you can see a couple volts higher than that coming OUT of the motor. Because of the spark gap, it acts as a generator. I have NOT done that same test with a standard motor. I just realized that, and it is something I need to do. Just too many things going on in the things I am working on right now to mess with those kinds of tests. I have 12 coils I need to wind today, among other things.

Dave

[Duncan]

Robert Adams & Harold Aspden --- Free Energy / Over-Unity Motor-Generator It proved extreamly difficult to pull the usual smear tactics with shouts of scam and fraud with these particular gentlemen Adams was head of the IEEE with a doctorate in electrical engineering and Aspen was of the same caliber with several Docterats and head of a univercity department . The label of scam artist with some grubby plan to get a few coppers beer money would not fit. To add insult to injury Adams had written a series of constructional details and plans in a hobby magazene called Nexus .
Robert Adams & Harold Aspden --- Free Energy / Over-Unity Motor-Generator
Tptb went into overdrive .. it still took a lot of shutting down . Now and again .. this system or one of its cousins (like the Muller) rears its head again, and fire brigade MIB go into damage limitation mode. Here for Instance is a very sudden end to a thread on this forum by Toranarod http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post155917

[a.king21]

Question?

Has anyone tried a Leyden jar instead of the bad battery?
My experience is that "dead" batteries charge up like a small uf cap - say about .2 micro farads - which is getting into the leyden jar region.
The temptation is to use big caps (me too), but I am reminded that the Wardencliffe huge transmitter had a capacitor of .2 micro farads.
Anyway, I am intrigued by this thread and will be investigating further.
The frosting up of the battery is obviously cold electricity and a good sign.

[Turion]

Here are my thoughts on some of this. The basic difference between a battery and a Cap (I hope I am not mistaken) is that the positive and negative on a cap are isolated from each other. In a battery the fluid acts as a conductor between the two. Resistance exists, and the positive "sees" a little of the negative while the negative "sees" a little of the positive. When a battery is sulfated that resistance becomes even higher. A motor connected to a highly sufated battery will not start to run for several minutes. Then as that resistance breaks down, the motor will begin to run going faster and faster. We need something that mimics this resistive connection, like a pot of some kind between the poles on a battery that has NO connection between the positive and negative poles except that controlled connection. I hope that makes some kind of sense.

Duncan, every time you post something it costs me hours of research time! LOL. But it is ALWAYS worth it!!! MAGNETIC SUSCEPTIBILITY OF THE ELEMENTS AND INORGANIC COMPOUNDS:

http://www-d0.fnal.gov/hardware/cal/lvps_info/engineering/elementmagn.pdf

[Duncan]

George Carlin ~ The American Dream - YouTube