3 Battery Generating System

[bistander]

Motor?

Has the motor in your circuit been modified? If its not modified as I outlined in a series of movies on you tube it won't work. And since its not the Razor scooter motor and it might not be modified how are you expecting it to work? And who are you going to blame when it does not work?
Don't you dare say it doesn't work when you are deviating from the plan, no matter how much you insist on measuring everything.

I don't know about anybody else but I see it coming now, cause it will not work the way the David outlined it without the modified motor.

Matt

Turion did not say anything about specifications concerning the motor. Just a "motor". It has a commutator, brushes and coils spinning in a magnetic field. Why does everybody have to use your motor?

Was this in fact the system you told us that you would film and post for us to see? When are you going to do that?

Regards,

bi

[Matthew Jones]

Hi wanto,

Do you mean this?


Diagram was attachment to his 7/13/2018 post:


I am unsure, but it might be the circuit which Matthew promised to "film" and post but has yet to do so. I was curious about it and since I had all the needed components on hand, I have been "building" it. Got life to deal with so going slower than I wished. I did get it all together and it did "run", but was unstable and appeared to be overloading some components, so I shut down and pre-tuned my converters and got a second wattmeter working. I have yet to test again. Here's a photo of the first system test.



Regards,

bi

Has the motor in your circuit been modified? If its not modified as I outlined in a series of movies on you tube it won't work. And since its not the Razor scooter motor and it might not be modified how are you expecting it to work? And who are you going to blame when it does not work?
Don't you dare say it doesn't work when you are deviating from the plan, no matter how much you insist on measuring everything.

I don't know about anybody else but I see it coming now, cause it will not work the way the David outlined it without the modified motor.

Matt

[Turion]

[bistander]

Bi,
I just tried to post here and lost all that one finger typing. It wouldn't post to Energeticforum website.

You gotta watch out for that. I preview my posts often. If you have a bum character (even hidden or invisible) it will cause it not to post. Usually it won't preview ether. Just go back in browser and delete most recent lines until it will preview then retype those deleted lines. Just happened to me the other day.

bi

I used to copy and paste all my composed posts into msword before hitting the send button. Another way to safeguard long posts.

[wantomake]

Looks good

Bi,
I just tried to post here and lost all that one finger typing. It wouldn't post to Energeticforum website.

[liber63]

Hi James!
I have tried the two batteries setup with boost converter and Matt's motor running in between. 20 minutes run then rest for 30 minutes, then run opposite direction for 20 minutes again. Done few rounds, total run 1 hour and a half.
After 30 hours or more both batteries showed gains, total 0,12 volt. Had motor running alone, not with generator.

[bistander]

One Battery Set-Up

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Is anyone trying the latest setup with the boosters Matthew outlined?
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Hi wanto,

Do you mean this?


Diagram was attachment to his 7/13/2018 post:

If you have the stuff, give this a shot. It's as CHEAP as you will get.

I am unsure, but it might be the circuit which Matthew promised to "film" and post but has yet to do so. I was curious about it and since I had all the needed components on hand, I have been "building" it. Got life to deal with so going slower than I wished. I did get it all together and it did "run", but was unstable and appeared to be overloading some components, so I shut down and pre-tuned my converters and got a second wattmeter working. I have yet to test again. Here's a photo of the first system test.



Regards,

bi

[wantomake]

Checking in

Just quick post.

Not had any shop time last week or this. Trying to get our home renovated is real pain. Working with contractors takes patience and good negotiations skills.

I'm still trying to learn a CAD program so a member can cnc parts for me. Trying to make the opposing magnets holders/adjustable parts. Who lied saying retirement was fishing, drinking beer, laid back with nothing to do?

Is anyone trying the latest setup with the boosters Matthew outlined?

Well coffee has cooled and must move toward microwave to heat it up.
wantomake

[Turion]

Patents

When you are looking at a patent on line, most of the patent sites have a listing entitled “similar patents” it is a giant rabbit hole with lots of branches and tunnels, but I find some really interesting stuff from time to time.

As to boost modules......the efficiency at which they work will determine how successful your system is. They have boost modules that are in the very high 90’s for efficiency according to their specs. It’s a matter of how much you want to pay for the efficiency.

[wrtner]

Dave,

Thank you for finding this patent application.

It's priority date is 1990.

[Matthew Jones]

I have two DC boost converters.....

Thats what I was telling you is the analog's are better. More than likely if you raise the input voltage you'll gain a couple of points on either one. They tend to run more efficient. With these simple little systems I tend to run a 24v and bring it up 36v. The returned energy ends up being less strain on the batteries and the overall efficiency of everything goes up especially in the batteries.

Also make sure to use big wires for the same reason. Test leads don't do the job.

Matt

[ilandtan]

https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1991018495A8/en

Dave,

Thank you for finding this patent application. It is interesting to note it's not a granted patent, so again nobody can capitalize. If you look for the guy or the company no surprise that there is the big goose egg to that concept or company. I see some similarities to the 3B idea, however. The WO is stating an existence of a source of power, that has been discussed on other threads, and I believe it is a clear description of a D.S. AEG.

jm2c

John

[bistander]

My other DC boost converter

I have two DC boost converters. I call the one from the previous post the digital because it is adjusted digitally. The other boost is similar except it is adjusted by trim pots for output current limit and output voltage, hence I refer to it as analog. They both operate on PWM (digital control). Anyway I just tested it. Turion's circuit needs two boost converters.



From left to right. First boost converter (digital adjustable), second boost converter (analog adjustable), and my watt meter.

I used a 13.3 ohm load resistor.

Input 12.11V, 5.27A, 63.8W
Output 27.67V, 1.99A, 55.06W, 86.3% efficient.

Input 12.4V, 1.28A, 15.7W
Output 14.13V, 1.01A, 14.27W, 90.9% efficient.

bi

[Matthew Jones]

That boost converter if you can find one that actually runs tends to be real low efficiency. The LCD screen and controller eat alot up.

https://www.amazon.com/Gowoops-10-32V-Converter-Adjustable-Voltage/dp/B01GRIQBRY/ref=br_lf_m_y4aykye74p2n97o_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&s=pc

These little one at 12 volt pushed up to 24 volt are about 91%. You can parallel them for better performance. Less current per unit raises the efficiency.

Matt

[bistander]

DC converter

I am in the process of piecing together the single battery system shown by Turion a few days ago. I have all the pieces on hand but some haven't been used for years. My motor generator appears to function as expected. I was just testing a DC boost converter when I read Matthew's post. Here are the numbers from my test.







The black wattmeter is input directly from the Odyessy battery. 12.13V and 5.20A for 63 watts. Output to the 13.3 ohm load resistor is read on the Fluke voltmeter and orange clamp-on ammeter. That is 26.76V and 1.966A for 52.61 watts.

Power out divided by power in equals efficiency. For the DC boost converter, that is 52.61 watts out / 63 watts in = 0.835 or 83.5% efficient.

Regards,

bi