3 Battery Generating System

[MonsieurM]

you can also have a look at this old post .... http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...arvesting.html

I have been tinkering with crystals of Lead Sulfide, Lead Oxide, and Lead Zirconate Titanate.

Lead is an amazing element that can be adapted to a wide broad spectrum of frequency. Radiant waves is available 24 hrs a day.

This material deserves serious research and development.

[MonsieurM]

the following might answer your question :

Electrical and Magnetic Properties of Sulfides


Carolyn I. Pearce, Richard A.D. Pattrick, David J. Vaughan
School of Earth, Atmospheric and Environmental Sciences, and Williamson Research
Centre for Molecular Environmental Science
University of Manchester
Manchester, United Kingdom
e-mail: [email protected]

INTRODUCTION
The metal sulfides exhibit a great diversity of electrical and magnetic properties with both
scientific interest and practical applications. These properties apply major constraints on mod-
els of the electronic structure (or chemical bonding) in sulfides (Vaughan and Rosso 2006, this
volume). The pure and doped synthetic equivalents of certain sulfide minerals have actual or
potential applications in the electronics industries (optical devices, photovoltaics, photodiodes
and magnetic recording devices). Sulfides are also components of many thin film devices and
have been extensively investigated as part of the nanotechnology revolution. Certain electrical
and magnetic properties of sulfide minerals mean they contribute to geomagnetism and paleo-
magnetism, and provide the geophysical prospector with exploration tools for metalliferous
ore deposits. To the mineral technologist, these same properties provide methods for the sepa-
ration of the metal-bearing sulfides from associated waste minerals after mining and milling
and before extraction of the metal by pyrometallurgical or hydrometallurgical treatment.
In this chapter, the theory and measurement of electrical and magnetic properties are
outlined along with spectroscopic and diffraction studies that can provide insights into
magnetic behavior are discussed. A brief review of electrical and magnetic studies of major
sulfide minerals includes some examples of the applications of sulfide electrical and magnetic
properties, including special consideration of the properties of sulfide nanoparticles. Most of
the available data presented are for pure synthetic binary and ternary sulfides, as very small
concentrations of impurities can dramatically affect electrical properties leading to problems
of interpreting data from natural samples. Although data for several of the commonly found
sulfides are discussed in this chapter, no attempt is made at a comprehensive coverage.
The section below on theory and measurement of electrical and magnetic properties draws
on the account given in Vaughan and Craig (1978) to which readers are referred for further
details. It is useful to provide this overview as the electrical and magnetic properties of sulfides
provide critically important information for understanding them as materials, as well as giving
rise to important applications. Also, the theoretical background is not commonly dealt with in
texts concerning mineralogy or geochemistry, hence its inclusion here.

https://www.ela-iet.com/IronGlen/Pea...127.pdf ....

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[MonsieurM]

And you are sure that lead sulfate is effected by a magnetic field, and you have seen the crystals?

Matt

I have not and as you might have read in the earlier post : "out of curiosity"

so I am not sure that lead sulfate is effected by magnetic field ... but i Do know that growth of crystals is affected by magnetic field



fyi :

Magnetic gravity trick grows perfect crystals - tech - 10 August 2007 - New Scientist

One of the few scientific success stories of the International Space Station has been its use to grow large, pure crystals in microgravity (see Space station unlocks new world of crystals).

Now scientists from the Netherlands and Japan have shown that a strong magnetic field can mimic the effects of microgravity when growing protein crystals. The new Earth-bound technique could provide a cheaper and easier way to produce crystals of the same quality as those grown aboard the ISS.

The approach uses the same principle famously employed to levitate a live frog in 1997. This exploits the fact that diamagnetic materials - including most organic materials - are repelled by very strong magnetic fields as a result of changes in the orbital motion of their electrons.

[Matthew Jones]

the "magnetic effect" has an impact on the growth of the crystals ....

simple way for you to test .... take a coil immerse it in water ... pass current in coil ... freeze

And you are sure that lead sulfate is effected by a magnetic field, and you have seen the crystals?

Matt

[MonsieurM]

There is no proof that, that makes a difference at all. Tests run either way show the same results. Both David and I, plus several other have tested it both ways an none showed a gain or a loss compared to the other.

The advocates of it have not brought any proof to the table that it does make difference either way.

The only real gain comes from keeping the battery in reversed state. IE you have -12 plus volt on the positive pole and Zero at ground. This is not such an easy thing to sustain.

Matt

the "magnetic effect" has an impact on the growth of the crystals ....

simple way for you to test .... take a coil immerse it in water ... pass current in coil ... freeze

[Matthew Jones]

and place battery on top of Bifilar ( a different version of 3bgs )

There is no proof that, that makes a difference at all. Tests run either way show the same results. Both David and I, plus several other have tested it both ways an none showed a gain or a loss compared to the other.

The advocates of it have not brought any proof to the table that it does make difference either way.

The only real gain comes from keeping the battery in reversed state. IE you have -12 plus volt on the positive pole and Zero at ground. This is not such an easy thing to sustain.

Matt

[MonsieurM]

do you have any idea how to do that ?
I appreciate you that if you could help me.

Ehsan

Stick an antenna up in the air, the higher the better, and wire it to one side of a capacitor ( your Bifilar ), the other going to a good earth ground, and the potential difference will then charge the capacitor. Connect across the capacitor some sort of switching device so that it can be discharged at rhythmic intervals, and you have an oscillating electric output.

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and place battery on top of Bifilar ( a different version of 3bgs )

[ehsanco1062]

out of curiosity , have you tried doing it under the influence of a bifilar

.... Resonance Effects: Tesla Bifilar Coil Alternating Field Rotating a Magnetic Compass - YouTube

do you have any idea how to do that ?
I appreciate you that if you could help me.

Ehsan

[MonsieurM]

It seems that I have a relly stubborn AGM batteries for four times I charge them fully and then fully discharge them but it seems they get better and better but I will keep trying until ten times or mor if I will notice that there is a good sign .

out of curiosity , have you tried doing it under the influence of a bifilar

.... Resonance Effects: Tesla Bifilar Coil Alternating Field Rotating a Magnetic Compass - YouTube

[ehsanco1062]

No one knows for sure that sulfation has anything to do with anything. But if you want the Dead battery you have now to get to that form you can just charge it again then discharge it fully. Let it sit a couple of days shorted out, then do it again.
4-5 times or so should be all you get and at that point its highly sulfated. As such you may or may not start seeing results.

Matt

It seems that I have a relly stubborn AGM batteries for four times I charge them fully and then fully discharge them but it seems they get better and better but I will keep trying until ten times or mor if I will notice that there is a good sign .

[Turion]

wantomake,
I'm a little confused by your description of the schematic. Could you draw it out for us. A drop of .01 per hour when you are running a motor that could turn a Lenz free generator isn't bad you know. LOL. But interesting resuts. I amgoing to have to think about this foa a bit. I'm sure there are others who will jump on this.

Dave

[wantomake]

Crystal battery?

Hello to All,
I have an alum converted bad battery filled with half alum half h2o to see if crystals would grow in it. Let sit for six months and then poured out all the solution to see if any grew. They did, so I tested it in the 3BGS set and found strange results.

The bad alum #3 charged up to 11 volts and the primaries did drain but only .01 of volt each hour.

I didn't have success with a load on #3 side. Also only used Ufo motor to run between positive and positive of all three. Connect generator side to #3 . I got really long runs and was curious to anyone's thoughts.

Maybe nothing but interesting. Crystal battery?


wantomake

[Matthew Jones]

Thank you Matt
I did exactly as you said I took the new AGM battery and charge it fully and then discharge it fully and then short it for three weeks and then pulse it as Dave explain and then I used as a transducer but I did fully charge and fully discharge once not 4-5 times so I will do it again as you recommend .

Ehsan

You will know when its dead because it will not go over about 4 volt when charged and rested. At that point just short it out and let it sit for bit.
I built mine like that and the last time I ran it it worked fairly well.

As far as Sulfation, you really have no way of knowing how much you've put on the plates. AGM's are "Starved Lead Acid Batteries", meaning they have a very low acid level and sulfation is not a real issue like in LABS. Its not going to be what prevents those batteries from working or not working, the chemistry of the battery is such that you just cannot produce that much. Thats what makes AGM's so efficient and reliable. Sulfation will melt the first time you start to put power to it, and little as these batteries are capable of producing I am just not convinced that it is the soul answer to question, what makes these thing work?

In this case we are looking more at depolarization of the plates. Meaning the crystal that store energy are no longer able to. We also may be looking at lead depletion. Thats comes from constant use, charge and discharge cycles. In that case you are going to want to find a battery that has been used.
I have some of those also that work.
We've told that its magnetic and has nothing to do at all with the energy, and several people have helped to confirm this through the experience they had with this system.

Who knows really, so all you can do is keep trying to run it and see how it acts.

Matt

[ehsanco1062]

No one knows for sure that sulfation has anything to do with anything. But if you want the Dead battery you have now to get to that form you can just charge it again then discharge it fully. Let it sit a couple of days shorted out, then do it again.
4-5 times or so should be all you get and at that point its highly sulfated. As such you may or may not start seeing results.

Matt

Thank you Matt
I did exactly as you said I took the new AGM battery and charge it fully and then discharge it fully and then short it for three weeks and then pulse it as Dave explain and then I used as a transducer but I did fully charge and fully discharge once not 4-5 times so I will do it again as you recommend .

Ehsan

[tachyoncatcher]

Thank you Randy I will try to look in these places and mean while I will continue reading and follow the thread and I will even experiment with the bad battery I made ,but what I understand from you and from our experiments to make bad battery is that the magic is in the sulfating not only with a low voltage of the battery so even if I find a battery with a low voltage then it should be full of sulfating in order to be consider as a good dead battery other wise It will not work in the 3BGS.
But do you mean that any SLAs will work because I thought that only SLA AGM battery will work is that right ?

Thank you again
Ehsan

Ehsan, Unless a battery has an internal disconnect, cracked case which caused the electrolyte to leak out or subjected to high heat which caused the electrolyte to boil out, a dead battery will have ample hardened sulfate to work. It is the nature of the beast. The swelling, due to crystal formation, means the battery has long been dead, but was subjected to voltages to recharge the battery in spite of its deadness. Nearly all SLAs are AGM batteries. The Gel SLAs have been out of production for many years now. I have had great results with AGMs, but there are other experimenters, like shylo, that have been using LABs with success. The LAB users tend to use larger batteries than 7Ah.
Good Luck,
Randy