3 Battery Generating System

[Matthew Jones]

Duncan

Do you think we would see a resonant value, on the scope?

Matt

[Duncan]

The resonance subject belongs to another thread and I don't want to distract, but since the subject has been brought up here's an interesting video made by Armgdn03:

Energy Propagation - YouTube

Using this principle with a bigger setup and putting batteries as a load could be an idea... I did have a go at this a few years back but couldn't get more out than in.

Mario

I beg to differ Mario .. every time these guy's adjust load ... or motor speed or whatever else they are obviously trying to get resonant (tune) "in the zone" to something even though they might not know what it is.That is by its very definition what resonant is. Ergo resonance is right where it should be regarding this subject "center stage" .. interesting vid ..

[Mario]

The resonance subject belongs to another thread and I don't want to distract, but since the subject has been brought up here's an interesting video made by Armgdn03:

Energy Propagation - YouTube

Using this principle with a bigger setup and putting batteries as a load could be an idea... I did have a go at this a few years back but couldn't get more out than in.

Mario

[Duncan]

One thing I noticed with certain dead batteries, Was after running tests and shutdown ,I would leave a little motor attached to ensure the battery was being drained. That way during the next set of runs I would be working with a fully drained battery.
But with some batteries ,they could sit with the load ,and the motor wouldn't run, but then the motor would start -up , run for a few min's , shut-off , a few min's later start-up , and so on until I had no time left to watch it.
Not sure if that is significant or not?
If a battery is drained to the point where it won't run a motor , and the motor is never disconnected ,how can that battery recover enough to start that motor back up??
artv

I built the capacitive battery charger ...It did charge ,but very slowly,and the charge didn't hold like using the 2 good batteries and 2 dead batteries.

Audel Electrical Course for Apprentices and Journeymen - Paul Rosenberg - Google Booksso please don't start all that sissy nanny crap again .. its been said!!. obviously the more reactive current he is using to charge the batteries the nearer the system is to charging at resonance that is if its not real power creating the action it must be reactive current .. pay him is neither here nor there it is the concept of "reactive current" and more particularly resonance I wanted to plant Even if only as a seed .. it may yet germinate I still thank you very much for trying it Shylo

[Matthew Jones]

Right now I'm working on scalar charger setup where I switch the batts instead of the caps as per Matt's suggestion. Still loosing energy...
Mario

Draw up the circuit with the part numbers and I'll look through and see if I can find some improvement for ya.

Matt

[Mario]

Mario,
Any of the 24 volt Razor Scooter motors will work. They have two sets of brushes, which make them perfect for doing "input" and "output" experiments, winding UFO type motors and generally messing about with.

Hi Dave,

I've ordered two 120W 24V razor motors with a belt, thanks.

On a side note, I have done some testing with a small monopole motor using only a rotating contactor (picture) to drive the coil to investigate if I would get more charge in the recovery cap (cap pulser output) versus a semiconductor driven setup. I still wasn't able to swap in-out batteries continuously without loosing energy each time, so I don't think the spark plays such a key role or is superior to a spike resulting from a sharp driven semiconductor setup.
Right now I'm working on scalar charger setup where I switch the batts instead of the caps as per Matt's suggestion. Still loosing energy...

Mario

[IndianaBoys]

Negative Resistor

I've heard that batteries conditioned the right way over time can actually self charge. Maybe that has to to with what we are talking about here wher we put the magnetic and electricial poles out of alignment with each other.

Dave

Hi Turion,

Here is what we believe to be an example of a negative resistor. Maybe similar to what you have happening inside the "dead" battery.

Self Charging Capacitor Shorter YouTube - YouTube

The paper strip was dipped in a left over solution of diluted graphene and potassium permanganate as per one of Robert Murray Smith's procedures on making graphene.

The paper was processed in the microwave to exfoliate the graphite into graphene.

A simple circuit was set up incorporating a 9 volt battery that was reading 8.6 volts with this strip of exfoliated paper in the circuit. The output was 9.1 volts.

A side check was performed using a Maxwell Supercapacitor that was disassembled and the carbon paper put in line in place of the graphene paper and the read out was 8.6 volts.

Believe some type of negative resistor is being set up in your system in some way.

Good job on bringing in the items to do a test to measure the amount of water you pump based on how many watts used.

Keep up the good work,

IndianaBoys

[a.king21]

Here's my setup and the test I will run for Skeptic
Skeptic Test - YouTube

That is undoubtedly the best set up for testing an ou claim I have ever seen.

[Turion]

I've heard that batteries conditioned the right way over time can actually self charge. Maybe that has to to with what we are talking about here wher we put the magnetic and electricial poles out of alignment with each other.

Dave

[a.king21]

One thing I noticed with certain dead batteries, Was after running tests and shutdown ,I would leave a little motor attached to ensure the battery was being drained. That way during the next set of runs I would be working with a fully drained battery.
But with some batteries ,they could sit with the load ,and the motor wouldn't run, but then the motor would start -up , run for a few min's , shut-off , a few min's later start-up , and so on until I had no time left to watch it.
Not sure if that is significant or not?
If a battery is drained to the point where it won't run a motor , and the motor is never disconnected ,how can that battery recover enough to start that motor back up??
artv

I built the capacitive battery charger ...It did charge ,but very slowly,and the charge didn't hold like using the 2 good batteries and 2 dead batteries.

I've come across this phenomenon before. It happens after a battery has been conditioned. The best information I have, comes from Dave Lawton who replicated Stanley Meyer and from the Bedini camp. Lawton says that one side of the plate gets a nano coating and this causes (both capacitors and batteries) to self charge. I personally have had a cap bank of 4 cfl caps go to 200 volts and last for three minutes at that level ie discharging into a battery through a bedini ne2 configuration and recharging themselves with no input power . I have also seen car batteries go up in voltage once the radiant charging has ceased. Bedini has documented this phenomenon many times. It is also one of the mysterious features of the 3bgs set up. As we are discovering, batteries are doing some crazy things.

[shylo]

Not sure

One thing I noticed with certain dead batteries, Was after running tests and shutdown ,I would leave a little motor attached to ensure the battery was being drained. That way during the next set of runs I would be working with a fully drained battery.
But with some batteries ,they could sit with the load ,and the motor wouldn't run, but then the motor would start -up , run for a few min's , shut-off , a few min's later start-up , and so on until I had no time left to watch it.
Not sure if that is significant or not?
If a battery is drained to the point where it won't run a motor , and the motor is never disconnected ,how can that battery recover enough to start that motor back up??
artv

I built the capacitive battery charger ...It did charge ,but very slowly,and the charge didn't hold like using the 2 good batteries and 2 dead batteries.

[Turion]

Here's my setup and the test I will run for Skeptic
Skeptic Test - YouTube

[Turion]

Gary,

I agree with Matt. I have had probably 25 of these motors apart at different times, and have never seen anything connected to the casing. So you can be pretty sure that unless something got inside your motor and shorted something out somehow, there isn't anything like that.

Mario,
Any of the 24 volt Razor Scooter motors will work. They have two sets of brushes, which make them perfect for doing "input" and "output" experiments, winding UFO type motors and generally messing about with.

Dave

[garrypm]

Thanks for that Matt.

I did not want to open the motor and risk loosing what has happened three
times. Some motors I have opened have caps to the casing I think to help
reduce arcing.

If I can get this weird thing to happen again, I will report - as long as it is
not one of my silly errors.


Cheers, Garry

[Matthew Jones]

Hi Dave,

I have not pulled apart my MY1016 motor yet but, would like to know
if there is any connection at all to the casing.

Have got something weird going on ( 3 times so far) and trying to repeat
it. This would really help me understand what maybe happening if I knew
there were any caps or components wired to the casing.


Cheers, Garry

The MY1016 is just straight permanent magnet motor. 4 magnets are attached to the inside of the case. The brush's are board mounted on the back aluminum piece. The rotor is a straight rotor with 18 slots and 18 windings.
They are real versatile and easy to work on. Thats why we use them so much.

Matt