3 Battery Generating System

[wsxian2]

no on running

Turion:
No, it does not run. I tried that earlier. It may be that I have to wait, but I believe that I let it go for about 4 hours earlier in the year and it did not run then.

I have another "bad" battery for original 3BG system and tried that tonight. Using only one motor and a 60w bulb for a load off the "bad" battery.
I connected a digital volt meter from the Positive of the 1st good battery to the negative of the "bad" battery. It registered 22.3 volts before start.
I made the connections and the motor started immediately. The bulb warmed up.
I watched the voltage on my volt meter and it went down to about 19.5.
But then it starting changing wildly. Going up and down. As high as 68 volts. Lots of readings in the 30s, 40s and 50s. I did not see any appreciable change in the light from the bulb, but this was twilight and it wasn't dark enough for me to notice.

Where is the voltage coming from? I presume the motor? From the BEMF? But why the different voltage readings?
Interesting.

[shylo]

different batteries

I will just say ,not all but almost,.. every battery I've tried , shows more out than what it should be able to do?
If it works in a battery, why not in a coil?

[Turion]

wsxian2,
When you put it in the third position on a standard 3BGS setup, does the motor run?

Dave

[wsxian2]

nope

Tried to charge my battery that was dead.

As McCoy said "He's dead Jim."

So is my battery. Won't charge, won't negative charge. It's just dead.

I will try to find another battery to experiment upon....

[Turion]

Reverse Magnetic Polarity vs Reverse Charge

I believe there is a difference between simply reverse charging a battery and reversing the magnetic polarity. Anybody with a battery charger and time on their hands can eventually reverse charge a battery, but I do NOT believe that is what we are looking for. Reversing polarity would seem to be something that is done quickly. I have been told it can be done by using the two motor method I have described here and then shorting across the battery in question for just a split second. I'm not even sure a battery with reversed polarity reads negative voltage with the meter connected normally. I will try to get an answer to that question.

Dave

[wsxian2]

changing polarity of battery

Look at these two sites:
Car Battery Reversed Polarity - Automotive | DSLReports Forums
Battery Myth | Can a Battery ‘Reverse’ its Polarity?

If you remember, I had a battery that had a -0.3 volts reading.
I will try to reverse charge the battery since it is basically discharged. This was an old marine battery that was trickled charged for years and was left outside to freeze and thaw.

I tried using my rene radiant charger on another battery but used a microwave transformer in place of the toroid. Too much juice went into the battery and I think I have overcharged that battery as it bubbled out fluid and the voltage dropped.
If you are going to make the rene radiant charger, I would suggest you do not use a microwave transformer in place of the toroid. You can get the toroid from an old PC power supply if you don't want to make one.

[garrypm]

Make of it what you will.

I have not been able to replicate this weird effect - tried for the week.

To get my reversed transducer to flip, I hook the two transducers in series
(per Tachy's diagram, then connect only the reversed (flipped) transducer.

Cheers, Garry

3BGS One wire motoring - YouTube

Sorry, forgot to explain the reason for the transformer laminate is that it is my version of a pulse motor when
you hold it up to the drive cog.

[Wallywonka]

HOW MANY people here are experimenting with flipping the MAGNETIC polarity on a battery?
Dave

[Skeptic]

Dave,

Looks good! Can't wait to see how much is pumped using 3BGS.

[Turion]

Battery Pump Test part 3

Here are the results of my battery pump test using the five batteries wired in parallel and drawing the primaries down to 12.07 volts.

Water Pump 3 - YouTube

Dave

[cubalibre]

@Dave
Thank you. I will try this during next week or so.
Cheers, cubalibre

[Turion]

Watch only the buffer battery. If it is going up, add loads to the buffer battery until you get it to level off. If it is going down, decrease loads on the buffer battery. This is how you balance the loads. The buffer MUST stay level or you will lose voltage in the primaries. You should also start with around 12.2 in the buffer.

Dave

[cubalibre]

5BGS running

Dear all

I got the system ready to run.

.....................installing conditions........................running 20'......after rest 20'

Source Batt 1: new AMG 12V/20Ah...12,66V............12.04V...........12.33V
Source Batt 2: new AMG 12V/20Ah...12.62V............12.00V...........12.37V
Transd Batt 3: old car FLA 12V/50Ah flat, -1V..........-7.7V............-2.2V
Transd Batt 4: old car FLA 12V/50AH flat, +5V.........+5.5V............+5.2V
Buffer Batt 5: new AMG 12V/20Ah 12.64V..............13.10V...........12.84V

Motor: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 250V...................10.3V
Generator: of the shelf MY1016, 24V, 300W, driven with chain
Light Bulb: 7W / 12V............................................9.3 V (0.9A?)

Inverter: 12VDC / 230VAC 300W
Light Bulb: 25W / 230V

Several runs without the chain and balancing brought the Source Batt 1 and 2 down to 12.4V.

The chain drive ist quite loud, but with input 10.3V not at full rating speed of 2450 rpm at 24V.

I tried to balance the system with the 2 light bulbs, resulting 25W load on inverter, 7W on generator to get the volt changes on Batts 1,2 and 5 minimized.

Results:
The Source Batts 1 and 2 are going down slowly, from 12.10 V to 12.04V during 20minutes.
The buffer Batt 5 is going up slowly, from 12.90V to 13.10 V
The changes of the readings were faster at the beginning, then slowlier.

The Transducer Batt 3 rest stable in minus Voltage. Voltage measured over Transducer 3 and 4 together is 13.2V.

Turning the inverter on with the switch together with the 25W bulb just after starting results still in a slightly higher motor speed.

Regards and
cubalibre

[MonsieurM]

MonsieurM,

Sorry if my post was unclear. My dad had two copper coated grounding rods mounted to the plywood as if they were buss bars, and batteries connected to them. Neither were grounded to the earth.

Still pumping water, so not done with phase one of testing.

Dave

Thank you Turion for clarifying my "misdirection" ....

The use of copper rods as a bus bar is quite significant in my opinion because it lessens the resistance in the circuit and therefore minimizes circuit losses.

i went and checked a bit on busbars : ( most of you already know that )

Design and placement[edit]

Earth (safety grounding) busbars are typically bare and bolted directly onto any metal chassis of their enclosure. Busbars may be enclosed in a metal housing, in the form of bus duct or busway, segregated-phase bus, or isolated-phase bus.


Busbar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

... What is the difference between a neutral busbar and an earth busbar

The neutral wire was grounded as a safety measure. The thinking was, if someone touched an electrical appliance and at the same time touched some metal in the house, a kitchen faucet for example, they would not get a shock. In the past, those two wires were all that was used.
Unfortunately it turned out that in real life, relying on the grounded neutral wasn't really preventing dangerous shocks. As more and more things were turned on in the house (Lights, Radios, TVs, etc.), the neutral wire was really carrying current and so the voltage at the neutral wire was often above the earth ground. People were getting shocks if they touched something that was really grounded (plumbing is always grounded because the incoming water pipe is buried in the ground) while handling electrical appliances (filling an electric kettle for example).

[Turion]

HOW MANY people here are experimenting with flipping the MAGNETIC polarity on a battery? We need to see what happens when we do that, and we need a system for doing it consistently as well as a means of knowing it has happened.
THAT would seem to me to be a clear objective and an important next step. I know it is what Matt, Luther and I have been working on. I know Randy is in there too, but has been under the weather. We can DO this guys. We are so close and now is NOT the time to get sidetracked. We KNOW magic happens when battery 3 flips polarity. Let's isolate that part of the circuit and see if we can control it.

Dave