Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[qvision]

Without reading your PDF, i would say your mistake is in not following the exact method of the inventor who made the device you admire.

If you want to replicate something, you should follow the design as closely as possible.

All the best,

[Alexg800]

Hello,

I got to know about bi-toroidal transformer rather lately.
Was impressed by the simplicity of the design where the Secondary
coil back EMF cannot couple back to the Primary all of the current.
I have tried to replicate the bi-toroidal transformer using
Roer's generator in the Primary. All the rest is done in according to Mr. Thane Heins's design:
2 toroids are connected side by side;
they have about the same size, but the permeabilities are quite
different, u1= 6700, u2 = 76000;
both Secondaries are load by resistive loads.
Unfortunately there is no OU, its output power is
less then Primary power....
Please, could anybody tell me where my mistake is and what should be changed for a proper functioning of this unique trasformer?

I apply the scheme.

[Allen Burgess]

Pereability

Here's a permanent magnet permeability graph for ferrite cores:

[Allen Burgess]

Metglass core.

@Mr. Clean,

I noticed the iron core placed over the top of the layered portion of the Metglass instead of placed touching the side in the photo. I don't believe the flux can travel that way. I think you would have to bend the iron to the inside of the Metglass so the iron's flat up against the wide side of the Metglass to get the flux to travel.

[mr.clean]

@Mr.Clean,

Very nice! Looks like you succeeded again. I bet the permeabiity of the Flyback ferrite cores is higher then the Toroids. The Toroid's were 1000, the flyback ferrites I checked on were between 1800 and 2200. That should double the output. Do you have any specifications on them? Can you direct us to a manufacturer? Your adaptation of this new material and configuration solved the off the shelf hi-perm issue very well. We're anticipating another astonishing self loop demonstration.

hi buddy i got the flyback cores from Amazing 1.com and they came with ready made 5000 turn potted secondaries and 80 turn 20 gauge primaries, so took them apart and removed the coils (cause the secondaries didnt work for some reason) and thought about how to easiest wind the coils.
the hemispheres are left and right, not top and bottom, then they go together in a stack.

still i want to make the metglass work, but the iron core i had tried it with, didnt cause flux to cut thru the secondaries at all, so maybe i'll try again with the similar setup i recently did using the metglass amcc-320 core and a flyback or other core

[Dave45]

Hey Bob
Its just tie wire 16 guage from Home Depot, its in the concrete section, its used to tie steel.

[Bob Smith]

Dave,
What kind of wire is that? I couldn't find it at Home Depot. Do you think I might find it at our local farm supply store?
Bob

[Dave45]

one primary completely isolated
four secondary's on outer rings
no windings on inner rings they are to isolate the primary

[Allen Burgess]

Flyback ferrite toroids.

@Mr.Clean,

Very nice! Looks like you succeeded again. I bet the permeabiity of the Flyback ferrite cores is higher then the Toroids. The Toroid's were 1000, the flyback ferrites I checked on were between 1800 and 2200. That should double the output. Do you have any specifications on them? Can you direct us to a manufacturer? Your adaptation of this new material and configuration solved the off the shelf hi-perm issue very well. We're anticipating another astonishing self loop demonstration.

[ekpod]

[mr.clean]

new vid

hi everyone, made a vid of the new test core configuration


39E BiToroid: New Test Core Configuration, Interesting Effects - YouTube

[mr.clean]

Just had a thought after seeing lazersabers cross over circuit]
Has any one thought of makeing a cross over bitoroid transformer?

thats a great idea!

[Tinmanpower]

Just had a thought after seeing lazersabers cross over circuit]
Has any one thought of makeing a cross over bitoroid transformer?

[mr.clean]

Hi people, made a new bitoroid using the flyback ferrites..... Works better than the last, vid coming soon

Imageshack - imag1279a.jpg

Primary approx 40 turns 20 gauge
Secondary closest to primary is 6 layers of 22 with 26 gauge
Far secondary 4 layers of 22 turns same gauge

The metglass and iron failed, but this one is better than the last AND way easier!

[Dave45]

Notice the representation depicted at the top of the diagram, He discovered the A vortex field(electric field) that runs ninety degrees to the magnetic field.
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