Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[Dog-One]

Something to note...

This variation of the Thane Heins transformer uses multiple cores with winding around pairs of cores instead of windings around a single custom core.

I'll be very pleased if this indeed work the same way, because I went through hell and back trying to get a custom core made using silicon steel laminates--it's doable but you will pay dearly to get someone to make them for you as prototypes.

[Dog-One]

AuroraTek Transformer

Hey Dog-One

Let's see if I can get you down and force you to answer my questioned NOW!!! Nevermind just kidding. I was just foolin.


This video you posted is more like a BI-TOROID isn't it, I think we are in the wrong thread. Well I think so because the SERPS uses a standard transformer and uses circuits to do the phase shifting.

What I can't say for sure yet, but suspect to be true is that this transformer is doing mechanically, what the SERPS does with electrical switching. The primary splits the power to two secondaries which both resonate against each other instead of the primary. It creates a very similar phase angle shift like the SERPS does.

But let's say for a moment that your experiment using the low herz cores qualified as a SERPS? Humm... I don't know.

Low frequency is a factor of the core material and the number of turns on the windings. Bill used a low turn count with core material suited for much higher frequency, so he had no choice. His transformer would have worked very poorly (if at all) at 60 cycles due to core saturation.

The auratek bi-toroid transformer uses a simple pulsed DC at low voltage at high frequencies.

I'm pretty sure Russ mentioned to me that Bill used a simple sine wave signal generator coupled to a standard audio amplifier. So it wasn't pulsed DC at all. It was true sine wave AC. It's quite possible pulsed DC power may work even better.

The SERPS is designed to leave all of the standard industrial winding in place and manipulate the phasing to get the same job done as the Bi-Toroid which is "OVERUNITY"

This is my view.

I think that is correct, yes.

I guess you are thinking on lowering the frequency to 60HZ but to get 600 percent you will need 2000-4000 herz.

I think if the design is sound, it doesn't need trick Metglas cores to work. Using large power silicon steel cores and getting the turn count up high enough to avoid core saturation should result in usable performance at line frequency. That's my thinking yet to be proven.

In my opinion here is what the Auratek transformer requires to be practical.

First a Battery, next a switchmode power supply running at the targeted and found frequency for THAT transformer.

Next the power at THAT frequency is sent to the BI-Toroid.

After the transformer the quickest answer is a resistive load or a motor winding but if we want to charge batteries we will need to convert again.


So the Auratek is set up to close the loop and charge it's own batteries when the system is at rest.

If this is incorrect in any way correct the errors.

Mike

I think Bill intends to do just what he said in the video--drive a signal generator into an audio amp, then into the transformer. From the output of the transformer, rectify and regulate it, then drive the sig-gen and amp. Any leftover power charges batteries.

What I intend to do is take power from an AC generator and feed it into the transformer. From the output of the transformer, drive a motor that turns the generator. This isn't at all for efficiency purposes, this is simply for show-n-tell demonstrations.

If what Bill showed can be repeated on my bench, the generator should see practically no load and maybe even a little negative load if I can get the primary side shifted beyond 90 degrees. If I can do that and still get enough power from the output side of the transformer to run my motor, well... That will be enough to convince me. With all the losses in the motor and the generator and still be able to loop and do a no-cords-attached video... You get the picture.

[BroMikey]

Reply to DOG-ONE

Here is my reply

Hey Dog-One

Let's see if I can get you down and force you to answer my questioned NOW!!! Nevermind just kidding. I was just foolin.


This video you posted is more like a BI-TOROID isn't it, I think we are in the wrong thread. Well I think so because the SERPS uses a standard transformer and uses circuits to do the phase shifting.

But let's say for a moment that your experiment using the low herz cores qualified as a SERPS? Humm... I don't know.


The auratek bi-toroid transformer uses a simple pulsed DC at low voltage at high frequencies well its not PWM it is just an alternating signal and audio amplifier stages to control freq, current and voltage.

The SERPS is designed to leave all of the standard industrial winding in place and manipulate the phasing to get the same job done as the Bi-Toroid which is "OVERUNITY"

This is my view.

I guess you are thinking on lowering the frequency to 60HZ but to get 600 percent you will need 2000-4000 herz.

In my opinion here is what the Auratek transformer requires to be practical.

First a Battery, next a switchmode power supply running at the targeted and found frequency for THAT transformer.

Next the power at THAT frequency is sent to the BI-Toroid.

After the transformer the quickest answer is a resistive load or a motor winding but if we want to charge batteries we will need to convert again.


So the Auratek is set up to close the loop and charge it's own batteries when the system is at rest.

If this is incorrect in any way correct the errors.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Dog-One Bi-Toroid

Hey Dog-One how about we talk over here?

Attached is the version I'm going to work on. I already have the large core and ordered two more small cores from Bridgeport Magnetics. I went with silicon steel and bigger, hoping to make something run at 60Hz. If it does, I have a perfect M/G looper platform ready to go the next step (mostly for show since it should be loopable electrically).

C-Core CD32x64x160
C-Core CD25x50x65



Hopefully the material here will get me in the ballpark for number of turns needed:
Coils and transformers


We shall soon see...

[BroMikey]

Beardon About Sweet Inventor

Here is an excellent writing about how the EE department of higher learning in the USA and around the world fall far short of the understanding of any real inventor who follows the experiment and not just the money for fear of losing his job.

Mike


Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:54:04 -0600



Dear Steve,



As far as I am aware, Sweet never filed a patent (the work, I think, was also a take-off or derivative of Gabriel Kron's negative resistor, built at Stanford University on a GE contract in the late 1930s). Sweet later worked for GE, and Kron was his mentor and patron. Kron's real work was held and never released, although I cite some quotations from Kron's papers to show he tried to get through the censors the gist of what he had done, including the "open path" between any two points in a circuit, whether there is any physical connection or not. Again, Kron never fully revealed the secret of his open path. I take a crack at it in my forthcoming book, but it's my "best estimate". So I don't think the Sweet VTA was independently patentable, though I may be wrong on that.



For the actual status, one would have to consult a good attorney. Sweet signed several conflicting agreements with different backers, none of which were ever "cleaned up". So in my view it's an area to be avoided, because it's a legal nightmare. Who needs such at my age? One can take the energy from the vacuum in a hundred ways, not just one. Sweet's way was indeed a very good way. There are also a hundred other good ways.



So it's a matter of the patent law on how an inventor must pursue his invention, and all that, and the interpretations of the various rulings that have been made over the years. Only an attorney can advise on all that. Sweet also was married, and so he left a widow. Depending on wills, state laws, and such, what results for the patent rights is again a matter for lawyers to determine. Even the lawyers may disagree.



The Sweet device has been partially replicated by at least four experimenters. Each succeeded in activating the magnets into self-oscillation, and in getting power out more than the input. Today, self-oscillation in magnetic materials is well-known in thin film work, but to my knowledge they do not do it at ELF frequencies as Sweet did, nor do they do it nearly so powerfully as he did. But the self-oscillation itself is known, and you can even purchase books on it. A typical example is V. S. L'vov, Wave Turbulence Under Parametric Excitation: Applications to Magnets, Springer Series in Nonlinear Dynamics, Springer-Verlag, New York, 1994. This includes self-oscillation in permanent magnets. Professor L'vov is or was with the Department of Physics, Weizmann Institute of Science, Israel.



One part of the problem is that the magnets have to be (1) barium ferrite, and (2) specially conditioned so that the barium nucleus is in self-oscillation with the adjacent vacuum, which acts as a semiconductor. A paper showing that the vacuum can indeed act as a semiconductor in certain case is Richard E. Prange and Peter Strance, "The Semiconducting Vacuum," American Journal of Physics, 52(1), Jan. 1984, p. 19-21. The authors show that the vacuum may be regarded as a semiconductor. In particular, the vacuum in the region close to the nucleus of a superheavy element is analogous to the inversion layer in a field effect transistor. The authors introduce the idea of the inverted vacuum. Just as a semiconductor may be manipulated by subjecting it to external fields, doping etc., it appears that so can be the vacuum. It appears that Sweet used this effect and special triggering techniques to stimulate the barium nuclei into very powerful self-oscillation with the surrounding vacuum.



These days, ELF oscillation in nuclei is also known.



So the major problem is to get a strong, stable self-oscillation established in the magnets themselves, before building the unit. Once that is done, the Sweet unit can be replicated. His first unit produced only 6 watts, but his second unit produced 500 watts output for a 10 Volt, 33 milliampere input. So that's a COP (if I didn't drop a decimal somewhere!) of about 1,500,000.



None of the inventors I know of who replicated it, ever achieved such a COP. To my knowledge, the longest they achieved the activation was about 6 weeks. At least one did light a 100-watt bulb or so, but the output decayed. Often the activation (by the others) would last only a minute or two, then a few minutes as they got better at it, etc.



And in my view, yes, the unit could be replicated and developed, but only by a very competent team having several disciplines.



Remember there are more than 200 known effects in magnetics, and only about half of them are well-understood. The rest are understood from "fairly well" to "somewhat" to "not at all". The "very strong type of self-oscillation" that Sweet achieved is, in my opinion, among the "understood a little bit" category. The typical electrical engineer who thinks of magnets only in terms of north and south poles, etc. is doomed to failure. Magnetism is very much more complicated than that; simply check any modern university text in materials science or in the magnetics phenomena of materials science. Another thing is that Sweet carefully chose his magnets from many surplus ones. Only about one in 30 has sufficiently uniform field from point to adjacent point, to hold the self-oscillation. That's a matter of manufacture, and in theory that could be licked. But finding magnets made to a 10% local variation or less is difficult, with what is available off the shelf.



So when one looks at the duplication effort, it would be quite costly (from the individual viewpoint). It will require an experienced materials science team, with specialists in a couple different branches of magnetics. Such folks exist, but not a great number of them.



Anyway, for me that was just experiences along the way. These days I'm totally committed to our own MEG, and so am concentrating on that.



Best wishes,



Tom Bearden

[BroMikey]

Pumped Phase Conjugate mirror

Here is a bite more to eat on this very well known subject. Light and energy experimentation along with gravity.

Floyd Sweet: Space Quanta Magnifier / Vacuum Triode Amplifier ~ Collected papers, diagrams, photos & videos








Sparky OR Sweet used Barium ferrite and he wrote this.

Mike

[Dog-One]

Ppcm

I hadn't even seen that picture Mike--fits exactly with my idea I posted above.

Time to get winding...

[BroMikey]

A real Man

You guys may glean a few details from this video--skip in a ways to see the details.

AuroraTek Demonstrates Overunity Transformer at TeslaTech 2014 - YouTube

It's still a bit of toy, but I think the concepts may head in the right direction.

It is so great to hear someone talk in a simple way. Talks to people like he knows they are just as capable of taking measurements as 9th graders do.

Phase shift past 90 degrees hold it.

















Mike

[Dog-One]

Another variation...

Here's another variation to the Heins' theme, but I think the concept is still similar. It is a device shown by Don Smith--a C-core where each leg is wrapped, but unlike a typical transformer, these two legs become secondaries and the primary a winding around the entire core.

So if we think "flux path" here: The primary induces a flux in the entire C-Core as though it were simply a rod core. Then the secondaries oppose each other electrically and setup a resonance similar to a tuning fork. Since they are directly connected via the core, they really cannot push back on the primary winding at all--similar to the BiTT. Now if we throw in the SERPS concept and place a load between the two resonating secondaries...

We might just have something here.

Yes, no, maybe so?


I'm planning on building this device using a large 3000 watt power C-Core. What I don't know and will have to find out experimentally is whether I can run AC power into the primary, or use pulsed DC. I have a hunch pulsed DC may actually have the potential to make the core ring like a bell--letting its natural frequency drive the output.

[Bob Smith]

You guys may glean a few details from this video--skip in a ways to see the details.

AuroraTek Demonstrates Overunity Transformer at TeslaTech 2014 - YouTube

It's still a bit of toy, but I think the concepts may head in the right direction.

Don't want to derail things, but thought I'd add these notes from the above presentation by Bill Alek to the mix. You can take them for what they're worth:

"The general geometry of this transformer is very different than a traditional transformer, because what we have is a primary coil wrapped around two cores. And really, we have that same type of architecture in a standard transformer...'cause what you do in a standard transformer is that you have the material going down the centre of this coil. So really, you're splitting the flux two ways, and that's what we're doing here - splitting the input flux two ways."

"The difference is that we have these two output coils that are wired in such a way that it has a bifilar configuration. ... where the output sets up opposing magnetic forces into this [secondary core] material... There's two configurations available [for the secondary]... You can wire the output in series or in parallel; in this case they're wired in series... the ratio ...is about 20 turns here [primary] and 120 turns for each secondary. So we're actually stepping up the voltage. ... They're just single wound [secondary] coils set up in an opposing configuration."

"And what that does to the behaviouur of these coils is that they lower the natural impedance on these cores, driving it overunity, where normally, you wouldn't see that on an output coil here. ...You'd see a fixed output impedance on the secondary here. But when this operates, the behavior is quite different because we have this cancellation going on, lowering the impedance on this [secondary] coils."

In response to a question about the opposing wound secondary coils, he calls this " a key feature with building overunity devices, because we're lowering the impedance on these coils. ... There's something going on; another force involved."

Some notes:
- running the transformer at 3200 cycles per second for best performance
- input side highly reactive compared to regular transformers.
- shorting the output coils shifts the phase angle to 102 deg

More quotes:
"We're dealing with some sort of source that's all around us here, some sort of a negative energy and that's what's pushing this wave form beyond 90 degrees. there's another force at play here; this other force acts like a negative electromagnetic force; that's what's acting on the current, pushing it beyond 90 degrees."

[BroMikey]

Thane video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0GwiIUE5c

In the video 5 PHD's went back to their companies asking if these power companies could use this tech, all lot their jobs.

Now how stupid can people be that they are so smart to get a PHD and they don't know how this world is run? Well they are not stupid, poor choice of words, they have been dumbed down in many areas of life but their math and English is good

I called these power company people talking to them about CO-generation using wind energy tech and these guys are mob members in these high offices.

They are at their post making sure nothing changes.

We all on our own.

Mikey

[kEhYo77]

Hi X_name41

The sound card oscilloscope can be useful for showing phase angle.
But I see that you are measuring the current with a toroid wound coil.
This measuring method will give you inaccurate phase shift as the coil on toroid has its own phase shift that you have to add. Try using a noninductive 0.1 Ohm resistor instead.

[Dog-One]

AuroraTek

You guys may glean a few details from this video--skip in a ways to see the details.

AuroraTek Demonstrates Overunity Transformer at TeslaTech 2014 - YouTube

It's still a bit of toy, but I think the concepts may head in the right direction.

[x_name41]

this is from patent: Reactive power input =33,5VA, Active power out =25,3W, power consumption from grid =1,16W

[shylo]

ordinary transformers

Hi x, There is something here , you can use regular transformers , but they have to match.
Two run in series , as long as they match, will give extra out.
Still trying different set-ups'.
artv