Bi-toroid Transformer of Thane C. Heins

[BroMikey]

Video Mess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ytyu9Q_-s







Yeah Sprocket I am with you, Thane is hard for ME to understand also when it comes to small details of in and outputs. You must understand the position that Thane was in being pressured to shut up and told he was gone if he didn't stop.

Clearly Thane is fighting tremendous opposition in his mind and the lump in his throat is the evidence. His stuttering and continual searching for words in a few of his video's shows the struggle.

Thane is a great man but like all men have a limit. God Bless you Thane.

So now back to Mr Clean, he is easy for me to understand. Clean is very young and is a great replicator for this project. I like the way he laughs with excitement when he hits the free energy node and rightfully so since there are only a few experimenters that can do this.

I wish I could have spent more time when I was younger testing endless hours on Extra energy stuff. Instead I was chained to the whipping pole till I was in my 40's.

I am contemplating where I am going to get a 15" X 10" double toroidal core material. I want something big enough to run a few fans and lights.

I thought about pouring epoxy blocks mostly full of magnetite using piles of old hard drive magnets. I think the hard drive magnets could be removed from their steal shielding and stacked.

Also if anyone knows if an electro-magnet will work? These can be made to do the job if they are not in conflict with the casting.

Making 12" long bars that are 1-2" wide and 1/2" - 3/4" thick could be cut and mitered with wood saws to form any shape.


While this mix is not what I want maybe the size bars would work.

This video gives people us an idea how to build our own bars.

I have noted other video's where charcoal (Activated) dust that is nanosized particles is used with magnetite. This is also a practice used with core material commercially.

The main consideration is that one loosely couple the primary to the larger flux path core material selecting a primary core to match the input frequencies for the least amount of loses in the primary. The primary winding and core material flux density must be many times higher than the secondary path, THATS IT YOU GOT IT!!!

As far as hooking two wires on each secondary and knowing which way to do it? is the fun part completed in several minutes. Shorting the coils like Mr Clean has shown teaches us much about the differences of BiTT as compared to the 150 year old designs we use in the jet age.

Mike

[sprocket]

He really should have included a circuit diagram with that first video, it's hard to know exactly how it is connected up. Apart from the undoubted drop in real power in the primary when the secondaries are loaded, the main finding seems to be an apparently much greater output from the secondaries than is used to drive the primary. But this is hugely unclear - we are told that the primary consumes 6W (12v * 0.5A) then given the figures 34v and 0.5A output by the secondaries, and invited the work out the actual power! This is misleading, pure and simple, he is implying that the output power is FAR greater than the input, whereas that 34v appears to be the peak-voltage (impossible to know from that tiny scope) making a straightforward P=IV calculation pointless.

The second video doesn't measure up either. A conventional transformer is not designed to operate at 3Khz, so powering both transformers with a supply optimised to the bit-toroid makes for an unfair comparison to put it mildly. He should at least have tried driving the conventional transformer at 50Hz.

I've been looking to find toroids like he's using but can't find them anywhere. Hell, I can't even source TV flyback-transformer cores - those that most of the Russian videos tend to use. Given that at least 100 of millions were manufactured, you would think that someone somewhere would be selling them secondhand at a nice profit.

[BroMikey]

Mr Clean Video

Here is another great video that shows the way to Bi-Toroid success.

Mr Clean you are a great help to us, such an expenditure of time and energy for all the see. Awesome dude.

Here is Cleans write up on Youtube







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LBn...wtY_6qiusDkyG9




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivm8aaQu00w


Published on Feb 18, 2013

A demonstration of the Thane Heins BiToroid technology (Heins Effect).
The purpose of this demonstration to show the viability of a conception of the invention using pulsed DC as a source of power. The intention being to secure DC as a source for obvious reasons of portability and the potential of combining Solar as the source.

In the first part of the demo a conventional transformer is compared to the BiToroid, used in a low power situation to carefully monitor the activity of real and reactive power while on and off load.
Next part of the demo, the Bi Toroid and the conventional transformer is driven with 12vDC and a PWM circuit set to 2.93 kHz and under 50% duty cycle.

In all instances, the same input power was applied to both transformers.

CONCLUSION:
The Bi Toroid transformer demonstrated that the input current was virtually purely reactive whether On or Off load, while in LOW power testing the conventional transformer's input power increased due to the well known Counter EMF induced from the conventionally loaded coil.
The visually apparent absence of Counter EMF on the Bi Toroid allowed for a much higher output under the exact same conditions as the conventional transformer.
The input power to the conventional transformer would need to be greatly increased to achieve the same intensity as the Bi Toroid at lower input power.
These unique behaviour of the Bi Toroid transformer while on and off load as seen in this demonstration are a clear advantage to the conventional transformer, and seem to be in-line with the inventor's claims.

[BroMikey]

V8 Engine

Hey Sprocket

Let me solve the mystery for you if I may.

I guarantee you that if I put a V8 engine in pieces in a shopping basket size box and asked 10 different people to make it work again they would all swear something was missing or that it was a prank.

It takes more that just the pieces to make it work, it takes an expert even with something we all know beyond a doubt must work.

Yet not many if any could make a V8 engine function again after it has been thoroughly dismantled in the individual parts.

Tesla got stuff like that in the mail all of the time so they could make him look like a hoax-ster. Once Tesla called them names in his patents they never ceased to tear him down whenever they got the chance.

Can you understand their vendetta after Tesla called them nothing more than poet's and science fiction writers?

Most of the people on these forms who have been schooled for 4-8 years in a university will do the same thing as Tesla's buddies did to him. They were hateful and jealous, burning down his entire life's work and wealth in a moment of self gratification.

I could show you many other examples of devices that were demonstrated the wrong way but why bother with trying to correct people who have their minds made up?

I could be mean and say GO fly a kite in the rain so you can find free energy but that wouldn't be right

We shall see sprocket I agree. So many false claims have come and gone.

I know how you feel.

Mike

[sprocket]

@BroMikey - We don't have long to wait now to see whether or not AuroraTek really have something - and MUCH more importantly - will be allowed to commercialise it! I have a lot of time for Bill Alek and would love to see him become the first Billionaire out of this. Nevertheless, I'm sceptical, not necessarily of Bill, more of the track-record of roll-outs like this - there have been many, and thus far, all have come to naught.

I don't agree that AuroraTek's charger 'powers-itself' - the battery powers it, and it somehow pulls energy from somewhere to feed more than is used back to the battery. It's may seem a small point, but if this works, I believe it only does so when combinations of different forces are combined - chemical & electromagnetic in this instance probably. Also the reason I believe that gravity-wheels can never work using gravity alone.

I don't believe things are clear-cut in Thane's case either. Have you seen this video? As far as I'm aware, Thane has never refuted the claims that are being made there - which are pretty convincing!

Of course, his is not the first over-unity transformer-style claim. You have this from long ago, as well as probably dozens on Youtube itself - you point to one of these above, by the redoubtable 'Deirones'. I'm half-convinced that some of his stuff actually works - the above video is very convincing! It's fascinating the amount of the bile & vitriol that is directed towards him in the Youtube comments, yet not one of these cretins even attempt to explain how this "idiot" is faking these videos - if he's an idiot, what does that make them! More to the point, most of these comments seem to be an attempt to dissuade Deirones from continuing to post videos - so there is probably something there.

At the back of my mind I have a nagging feeling that success or failure at this racket may work along the lines of Spoon-bending - while most cannot do it, there are a significant number that can. Even Tesla himself seems to have come across this, where his contemporaries would write to complain that despite their best efforts, they could not get his stuff to work. Tesla would write back saying that he was at a loss to provide further help, as everything that anyone needed to know to build his inventions was included in the patents, and his own builds worked every time. Sound familiar?

[BroMikey]

Transformer basics

Energy storage in magnetic cores

[Dog-One]

BiTT Principals

The other question you had about CORE AREA this is the statement found in the patent. But yes you are right that many variations could exist by manipulating the flux path densities.

Both core area and material determine the flux density the core is capable of handling. If you exceed this threshold, the core will saturate and it's game over.

So now we need low reluctance in the larger secondary core and higher reluctance in the primary core. How do we do that? Permalloy, Metglas, Amorphous all have pretty low reluctance. So suppose we build our BiTT from this material; that takes care of it right? Almost, we still need high reluctance for the primary core. How do we handle that?

Air!

Add a small air gap in the path of the primary core and bingo, you now have the working principals nailed down for the BiTT.

Thane's device is all about redirecting the back EMF away from the primary. Actually it not only redirects it away from the primary, it repurposes it as forward EMF to the opposite secondary. And since we know back EMF happens instantaneously to forward EMF, we have a system that will stay in-phase to the AC signal entering the primary.

Best bet is to read-up on power transformers and apply Thane's principals to what we already know.
Coils and transformers

[BroMikey]

Looped

@sprocket

Auroratek uses this tech and loops it back to have a self contained scooter that when at rest charges the batteries without plugging in. Does that ring any bells? Or does that answer your question about stealing power from the wall?

Meters don't lie, am I correct? Well that's the standard come back when people want to grind their point. Or do meters lie? I got it the answer is yes.

Just having a little fun sprocket, you wouldn't deny me that?

Some say they lie and some say they don't depending and I am like you, if it can be looped, then I'll believe it.

What Thane did say in one of his presentations was that because the energy cartel is so powerful they would try to charge for something they didn't produce. Trust me that is what he said because reactive power and real power are not the same. Hey these dogs want to charge people Taxes for breathing air and making CO2 gas bad boy for using the air.

The other question you had about CORE AREA this is the statement found in the patent. But yes you are right that many variations could exist by manipulating the flux path densities.

What I am saying is why not trying it the way Thane has shown first and then vary the build? Then there will be at least one or two working examples other than Thane's.

Most of us here on these forms are not capable of following Thanes instructions, I guess because all I see is reasons why it didn't work while their build is completely different than what Thane has shown.

I watched John Bedini harp on that for years. People will build something that the inventor has given the plans for and nothing working because nothing is like the instructions show.

I see core materials that were never suggested and the builders are claiming it just doesn't work.

It is the same thing as when John demonstrated his motors and someone stole the batteries so it wouldn't work, then the press can write "See it doesn't work"

Mike

[sprocket]

A couple of points. Please feel free to correct any of my (mis)understandings.

Assuming this works as stated, since there is no real power dissipated in the primary, it is the same as powering a purely reactive load. While this won't register with old electric meters, it would with newer ones - so wouldn't using a transformer like this be just another way of stealing electricity? I mean, the electric company may not charge domestic users for this, (unlike commercial users) but it still takes the power company the same amount of 'effort' to power a reactive load as it does a resistive load.

Say I construct an isolation-transformer in this way - for example, 220v < - > 220v - given the COP's that are talked about, what is to stop me feeding the secondary 220v back and feeding the primary, thereby having it power itself?

When I first read BroMikey's post about using materials of different permeabilities to cancel the BEMF flux to the primary, I thought "cool idea!". But the end bit regarding 'Core Area' and 'Core Volume' just left me confused. Why does 'Core Area' come into it - for instance, the text mentions the secondary being twice that of the primary - if you were to use a secondary with a material that has a much lower reluctance than the primary does?

[BroMikey]

BiTT Picture

@ Web000x

It is my pleasure to serve others. Glad you could benefit.

@ Dog-One

Yes we need to be thankful for Thanes sacrifice as he was being cast out.

It was high time for Thane to enter the real world. Great going Thane. Remember the Gauntlet film with Clint Eastwood? And while those of us like Thane are sort of the bad apple when it comes to going against academic views, we are shot at with words and words are very powerful. People who we grew to love and trust now turning their backs is a killer feeling.

Okay @ Everybody

Here is a fun shot for each of you to evaluate. I have searched for strips of Permalloy or anything that might be similar to Thane's picture. I do not know how to get or make this material. Looking at the picture maybe someone else knows the answer.


In the picture you will see Thanes BiTT or Bi-Toroidal Transformer made of thin strips of what looks almost like pieces of thin plastic sheeting.

Also many other notations.



Mike

[Dog-One]

Come on boys think

I would suggest the materials needed to build a working device are available. Make the investment in time and materials and when complete and you have a working device, add another 10% of your investment and send it to Thane as a thank you for bringing this technology out into the light of day.

Thane has probably gone as far as he can; it's up to the people that no longer desire to be energy slaves to take it the rest of the way.

[Web000x]

Here is a description of Permalloy VS iron transformer core material talked about by Thane in his patent. The reason Thane talks about the two types of materials is that one has a great resistance to flux than the other. It may well be any combination of Permalloy variations so as to insure that the primary is always the high resistance flux path.



Permalloy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Permalloy is a nickel-iron magnetic alloy, with about 20% iron and 80% nickel content. Invented in 1914 by physicist Gustav Elmen at Bell Telephone Laboratories,[1] it is notable for its very high magnetic permeability, which makes it useful as a magnetic core material in electrical and electronic equipment, and also in magnetic shielding to block magnetic fields. Commercial Permalloy alloys typically have relative permeability of around 100,000, compared to several thousand for ordinary steel.




Mike

Thanks for digging Mike. I think my next step is to change my secondary core material to a higher permeability material. I'm also using magamp cores for the secondary isolated flux path. The problem with this material, FerroXCube 3r1, is that it has a very low gauss saturation point. Sounds like it isn't suited for the job of providing an adequate flux path for the secondaries. Although at very low amplitudes, I still get no signs of super-efficient operation.. I've got some various cores sitting around that I'll try soon in place of the current cores.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Thane Bi-Toroid Core

Here is a description of Permalloy VS iron transformer core material talked about by Thane in his patent. The reason Thane talks about the two types of materials is that one has a great resistance to flux than the other. It may well be any combination of Permalloy variations so as to insure that the primary is always the high resistance flux path.



Permalloy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Permalloy is a nickel-iron magnetic alloy, with about 20% iron and 80% nickel content. Invented in 1914 by physicist Gustav Elmen at Bell Telephone Laboratories,[1] it is notable for its very high magnetic permeability, which makes it useful as a magnetic core material in electrical and electronic equipment, and also in magnetic shielding to block magnetic fields. Commercial Permalloy alloys typically have relative permeability of around 100,000, compared to several thousand for ordinary steel.




Mike

[BroMikey]

Thane Bi-Toroid Patent Clips

Here are a few clips of the Bi-Toroid Patent from Thane Heins

typical transformer iron has a relative permeability of about 200 or so. Permalloy, which is higher grade material has a relative permeability of around 100,000.
If typical transformer grade iron is employed in the primary coil leg and permalloy in the second, then the Toroid (secondary coils) reluctance will be 500 times less than the primary.

Reluctance; is the metal's resistance to the flow of magnetic flux.

Relative Permeability; is a material's ability to contain and allow the flow of certain magnitudes of magnetic flux. without saturating.

Saturation; occurs when the material containing the flux becomes full and additional flux cannot be contained and it exits the material.

The higher the value of relative permeability of the material used - the less reluctance to the flow of magnetic flux it represents to the magnetic circuit.

It is important to note that the reluctance of a magnetic conductor rises with an increase in flux magnitude i.e. more flux = higher reluctance. Magnetic flux always follows the path of least reluctance.

Because the Secondary Coil(s) Back EMF cannot couple back to the Primary all of the current in the Primary Coil is Reactive current (also referred to as `magnetizing current') and it is returned to the source. Net Power = 0 There is no (or virtually no) Secondary Back EMF magnetically coupling back to the Primary reducing the Primary's impedance and causing it to draw non reactive current from the source in response to secondary loads.

In simple terms the PRIMARY Power = 0 W (reactive current only - power factor = 0) and the SECONDARY Power =N W because all the Secondary induced Back EMF is trapped within the Secondary Toroid and cannot couple back to the Primary. Ideally there should be virtually NO REAL POWER dissipated in the Primary Coil except for that which is lost due to the Primary's DC coil resistance.



The Secondary Toroid CORE AREA 14 is twice that of the Primary Toroid 4 so the Secondary Toroid's 14 reluctance is half that of the Primary return flux path 4. Magnetic flux always follows the path of least reluctance.


It is very important to note the two words "CORE AREA" above because "CORE VOLUME" is not the same thing. The alternate flux paths NEED to travel out away from the inter path so a 3 phase transformer geometry may not yield much, if any.

It must be understood that CORE AREA may carry with it an increase volume and that the geometry effects performance, as well as other specifications.

Alternating Current is sent to the primary not pulse DC that many confuse and consider a form of AC.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Cast Away Reject

The Jesuits hate freedom from slavery. Here is Thane live and direct.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6udcWyGFH7Y



The evil blood sucking controllers are laughing it up for now and all of the whimpy cronies who do their bidding gutless grovaling men who have been castrated from youth.

Fearless men are few in number, however we don't all want to pull a Stan M. who thought Jesus was ready to rule the world with Stan M. as the head cheese

Come on boys think

Thane is a wise man by comparison to many other inventors.

Intellect is not enough. Great work Thane.

Here he is explaining how he has been pushed around and still getting the job done. Free energy is here.


This is the proper infiltration. This is the correct path where each individual is able to get the extra without destroying the worlds present economy is a few years.

We wouldn't want to get all of the worlds bullies mad at us at one time, would we?

I give you the aging Thane Heins who will be lucky to get out with a whole skin if he ain't careful.