Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[WeThePeople_USA]

...if the ring is insulated with mica...

Mica is known for It's porosity, won't work.

Reference:
mica porosity - Google Search

...do you think we are using electrolysis or resonance
(there is no connection between the two electrodes except magnetic)

Now your asking the right question.



I'm sure you've seen the YouTube vid of an aluminum can in the stator
of an AC induction motor in place of the rotor that would be there.

We think of aluminum as non-ferous because it does not retain a magnetic domain alignment
and remain magnetic after being magnetized by a field from a coil or a magnet,
but if a field is introduced to it a current is induced in it that makes It's own field too.

That is were many will have different points of thought on this,
some will say it is the same field, I disagree humbly.

If an external field induces a magnetic flow in the aluminum,
and the aluminum then generates It's own eddy currents,
which then as a result of those currents, make yet another field.



I said all that to say this...

If the level of current in the aluminum from the 50/60-hz mains
is causing the can(s) to generate a magnetic field already,
then that field is already acting on the ring before anything is applied to it.

If what your applying to the ring is a secondary frequency different from the mains,
then you will be creating a third frequency via beat frequency mixing,
and the harmonics of all three together at same time too.

So, is the ring adding and subtracting to the field in the can(s) magnetically,
or are we dealing with a electrostatic field potential interaction instead ?

Test results with the ring bare, then insulated, should yield that answer.



I am not trying to be a downer on the use of various metals above,
the amount of metal leached off into the solution by reduction would only assist the water to transfer the BTU's of thermals in a closed-circuit water heater design.

I'm just afraid someone will use brass/bronze/copper/etc. to heat a cup of water, make tea, then drink it...

Even with safer metals like SS, they have to be used many times before safe,
ask anyone using 316L from China for their HHO cells how much leaches out until the surface has released most of them and self-passivates sealing in the rest.

For the purposes of heating, the consideration is only how the fouling of the water effects the overall operation of the system, and how long before the expendable metals have to be replenished as a practicality.



Oh, I wrote the NZ patent office and received a reply,
patents older than 20 years old are at the archives...

I am working with them now to get copies of anything
that Peter Daysh Davey submitted for consideration.

That patent I shared is a badly photographed set
made by a KONICA & MINOLTA by someone named
"bizhub 420" on a PC registered as "-KMBT_420".

But it gets the general idea across...



Did anyone play with those programs I dug up yet,
can they be re-purposed for natural 432-hz A use ?

[MonsieurM]

Sorry, bad idea, in fact electrolysis is used in the refinement of copper.

It will poison the water.

Reference:
Copper Leaching Electrolysis - Google Search

thanks for correcting me

but let me ask you this, if the ring is insulated with mica (to avoid electrocution) do you think we are using electrolysis or resonance (there is no connection between the two electrodes except magnetic)

[WeThePeople_USA]

However, i would recommend going with copper..as it was already used in plumbing and for a water container for thousands of years

Sorry, bad idea, in fact electrolysis is used in the refinement of copper.

It will poison the water.

Reference:
Copper Leaching Electrolysis - Google Search

[MonsieurM]

Does anyone know what Tesla discovered with the numbers? and what prompted the quote?

-Core

Start with Tesla's Egg and Rodin coil...to make it short

the long version start here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...magnetism.html

[Core]

Core, I noticed those shrimp-dip cups have a rolled edge,
they may work if the effect is electrical predominantly,
but not if the effect is purely sonic doe to the lip.

Yes I plan on taking a cutting wheel to the rolled lips of the cups. Hoping to start this by weeks end.

-Core

[RAMSET]

You make me smile Gordon ,Thanks

Wow
Open at the top??
What an amazing similarity!

You must show the movie too,

[www.witts.ws] World's Most Efficient Overunity Water Heater ... from WITTS [www.witts.ws] - YouTube

This is all very encouraging ,I'm in NY so I'm going to look for the Pils [Beer]

Thanks
Chet

[MonsieurM]

I am merely showing you the pattern...

Check this post out about the witts resonator: http://www.energeticforum.com/155886-post493.html

besides, isn't a bowl a deformed cousin of a closed cylinder

[RAMSET]

A single bowl?

Now you sound like WITTS ministries Hot water heater!

Chet

[MonsieurM]

Not to derail you on Slovenia's Design, but you can replace the can with a singing bowl/bell...

hint: find the stick , Davey's set up is also a "standing bells sitting with the bottom surface resting."

visualization of Ac Current vs Dc Current:

Direct Current versus Alternating Current - YouTube

My recommendation is using ac with pulsed DC....see post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...netism-18.html

[MonsieurM]

info on some candidate Metals (mixed or not )

Copper-silver ionization as a disinfectant

When was the disinfection mechanism of copper and silver discovered?

Archeological excavations show, that people have been using copper for more than 11.000 years and have been using silver for more than 5000 years. Copper can be easily extracted and processed. More dan 7000 years ago people developed a copper extraction mechanism for copper ores. The Roman empire gained most of its copper from Cyprus, the isle that gave copper its name.Both copper and silver have been applied for centuries because of their biocidal mechanism.

What are the applications of copper-silver ionization?

Copper-silver ionization is suitable for a large number of applications. It became of interest when NASA used copper-silver ionization for drinking water prodcution aboard Apollo space ships in 1960. The ion generator that was used, was the size of a matchbox.
Because of copper-silver ionization, drinking water could be produced safely in space without the use of chlorine.

[MonsieurM]

This bell looks oval in shape. I cannot see it ringing at any one frequency.
If someone has a spectral analyser, it would be very instructive
to see its spectral response.

reverse the following image and you have your bell




from: Singing bowl - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Singing bowls (also known as Tibetan Singing Bowls, rin gongs, medicine bowls, Tibetan bowls or suzu gongs in Japan) are a type of bell, specifically classified as a standing bell. Rather than hanging inverted or attached to a handle, standing bells sit with the bottom surface resting.

i would highly recommend you read this thread http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ng-bowl-2.html -------learn about the tools you'll be using

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Tibetan Singing Bowls Make Water Levitate (Video)

Before It's News

Watching Tibetan bowls sing - YouTube

An experimental investigation of the fluid dynamics of Tibetan singing bowls has showed their acoustic behavior is similar to wine glasses, and can even cause water droplets to levitate.

The bowls originate from fifth century rituals in the Tibetan Himalayas, and are typically made from a bronze alloy. They produce a rich sound or song when the sides and rim are struck or rubbed with a mallet.

Two scientists filled the bowls with water and filmed the vibrational patterns that arise. The high-speed camera showed how surface waves formed, creating water droplets that break away from, and bounce on the fluid surface.

hint: It is also called a polyphonic instrument

[wrtner]

search titanium bells...



However, i would recommend going with copper..as it was already used in plumbing and for a water container for thousands of years

This bell looks oval in shape. I cannot see it ringing at any one frequency.
If someone has a spectral analyser, it would be very instructive
to see its spectral response.

[MonsieurM]

A vid of great interest, must watch:

water at 100hz - YouTube

[RAMSET]

What an arsenal of tools!!

I would have to say with the tools we have today [as presented by members here].

We will most definately Vet this device!

Chet

[Slovenia]

Tuning Software

Thanks Core!!

Also tuning is very important and will most likely be the most time consuming part of the project. I also found some free software that may help with this. I have yet to play with it but it does have a signal generator that will come in handy.

Software can be found here:
Soundcard Scope

Here is a screen shot of the software.

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Personally I an thinking of starting off with a lower voltage around 24 volts 60Hz A/C off a transformer. We really do need to figure out the relationship of the second frequency (400hz for 110volt/60Hz).

Anyway will try to get this started sometime this week.


-Core