Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[wrtner]

Wrtner
You say 300hz?

Slovenia's contact mentioned 300hz!

I never mentioned 300hz

You need to tune to your mains frequency or an octave.

If your mains is 50hz,
then tune to 50 or 100 or 200 or 400 etc

If your mains frequency is 60hz
then tune to 60 or 120 or 240 or 480 etc.

Paul-R

[Slovenia]

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[Slovenia]

Resonating @ 60 Hz

My 3.5" can was resonating @ 60 Hz. The material of my can is ultra thin, so I thought I'd be able to get by without sanding the outside of the can. It's easy enough to deform the cans I've been using without making the sides thinner, but I will follow the master's leadership. I think my contact is getting impressed. He sent me some tuning software last evening. I'll have to look it over and see if I can share it.

Anyway, I think we are gaining. My contact said the can should be a lot longer than 3.5 inches, so I'm thinking I need a longer can. I'm going to look for one of those energy drinks in the slimmer longer can.

So if 3.5 seems to work 7 inch or there abouts should "Ring"
Thanks Slovenia You keep saving me time!!

Chet

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Gordon!!

Slovenia you are doing good and helping the community...keep up the good work

WeThePeople_USA is also trying to help albeit in a more jovial manner

[RAMSET]

Antennae

So if 3.5 seems to work 7 inch or there abouts should "Ring"
Thanks Slovenia You keep saving me time!!

Chet

[Slovenia]

Tuning Beer Can (Added Tuning Info)

I just heard back from my contact, and he said my 3.5" cup was to small. He said you don't want a short can but a long can and that you have to sand the side of the can so that it is very thin. He was not clear on this before. I guess there is a very fine line between not sanding enough and sanding to much. The walls of my cans are very thin anyway, so this is going to be interesting. I don't want to deform the open end of my can since it needs to be as close to a perfect circle as possible.

[Slovenia]

Thank-you!!

Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't sure where you were coming from.

I was educated really well at one of the sister alternate fuel sites by a bunch of trolls and other assorted misfits, so humor is not one of my strong points.

I just want to build some stuff and get off-grid.

[QUOTE=WeThePeople_USA;157518][quote=Slovenia;157510]
If people think this is to funny, I'll stop wasting my time posting here!!
[/quote]

heheh, relax, it wasn't that specific.

It just got funny for a moment.

No insult was meant, maybe I shouldn't have noted my humor above.

[QUOTE]

[RAMSET]

Well It is a little funny!!

Tuning to a 1000 mile or so tall wave with a beer can.....................
[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...104810AALSR8H]

Come on "S"!! Yah gotta chuckle a little?? [I am right now]!
I love it!!!
And when you see the ring I'm working with you'll be Green! {if this works I'll share the source}

PEEPS [We Da peeps] gave us some great ideas,next time I go to NY [manana] I'm grabbin the Kids old Gitar Amp!

This is Good stuff

Chet
@ PEEPS @ALL
These are ELF {Extra Low Frequency} waves
They work much much better in water!! {submarine Frequencies}
And are the Frequency of choice for the Navy's underwater transmitting program!!

HHHMMMmmmm Cavitation in water [Peeps]?

Pistol Shrimp - YouTube

Oh wouldn't that be wonderful??? [and plausible]

This keeps getting better............................

[WeThePeople_USA]

[quote=Slovenia;157510]
If people think this is to funny, I'll stop wasting my time posting here!!
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heheh, relax, it wasn't that specific.

It just got funny for a moment.

The analogy might be like taking a dozen puppies for a walk,
you all start out in the same general direction essentially,
but at some point free-will takes over on an individual basis
and puppies take off in all kinds of unexpected directions,
and as a result the net gain isn't one step further down the sidewalk...

No insult was meant, maybe I shouldn't have noted my humor above.

If anything, maybe my posts are confusing things somehow.

Thank god I left out the part about using a duplex sound card
to drive a speaker positioned at a right angle to the can's outside,
while a microphone hung from above is in the middle of the cans inside
to provide feedback to a sweep graphing software to map out
the resonance nodes of any can and see what the "Can" wants...

I think the beer can thing is a bit restrictive anyway though,
but then again we are tring to reproduce an existing success.

I'd get a tall-boy beer can,
leave the bottom (not the top),
and cut it as close to the top as possible
then mount it on the bolt that will be mounted on first
before any trimming/tuning of any kind.

You have more wiggle room as you shear it shorter until resonance is found.

And you don't need a recording,
and actually shouldn't use a recording
of a 60-hz signal, use your mains somehow.

Amplifier lead laying on a lamp cord's insulation,
anything that is the real mains frequency instead.

Not much more can really be done until we all know exactly where
both the neutral and hot (mains) leads go first for his device,
and where the return path for the ring's input goes second.

And perhaps what he is getting his 300/400 from (his 50-hz version).

I'll shutup and go to bed now..

[MonsieurM]

Slovenia you are doing good and helping the community...keep up the good work

WeThePeople_USA is also trying to help albeit in a more jovial manner

[Slovenia]

Resonating Can

I took another can and cut it off 3" from the bottom to see if it would improve the resonance of the 3.5" can. The 3" can will not resonate at all. Tomorrow I'll try cutting a can to 3.25" and maybe just a tad longer too. The 60 Hz note I downloaded from the internet is very short and not a sustained note, and this is causing me some problems. If it was a longer note, I think I would get more resonance. But, I was able to achieve the resonance called for by my contact.

If people think this is to funny, I'll stop wasting my time posting here!!

[WeThePeople_USA]

Heheh, you guys have come up with some funny stuff above,
sorry, but some of it is just a touch humorous...

Lets recap a few points, the 400/480 thing comes from the X8 multiplier he spoke of,
take 50-hz (NZ) and multiply it by eight and you have the 400.

Hence 480 for the 60-hz mains also posted previously.

As was (also) correctly indicated above,
and I incorrectly assumed was obvious common sense stuff,
a true resonance of 50 or 60 cycles per second
as a fundamental frequency would be a huge something,
like a friggin dumpster or something.

Google a speaker cabinet resonance calculator
and input 50/50 hertz, then have a good laugh...

The 60-hz bells above are only referring to
what the coil/core is optimized for,
has nothing to do with the bell.

You would need something as huge as the "Liberty Bell"
to even get close to even harmonics at X6 and X8 of the mains.

Obviously and incredibly unpractical...



I didn't bring that up above, because it was already clearly laid out in previous posts
that upper harmonics relative to the fundamental line frequency from the mains was the goal.

to also be clear, the harmonics elligible are even harmonics only,
absolutely no odd harmonic multiple will do a thing for the project.

gather all your odd harmonics together,
and you simply have made a square wave.

With that now said, any amp with a speaker on it, and an open (unshielded) input wire plugged into it
will give you plenty of line main's hum at root and also fundamental harmonics up from that due to being
in an enviroment bathed in endless line mains frequency polution to the point of unavoidable saturation.

Think guitar amp, and touching the cord's plug's tip conductor...



Now on to the ring,
and the point of that.

"A beer can does not a dumpster make" lol.

once you trim the length of the can so it resonates in pasive resonant sympathy
to an upper harmonic of the line mains "Hum" in the air,
you now have to assist it with resonance while in the water.

I'm sorry, but I'm still stuck on the fact I think tuning free air
for use in water instead is just wrong on all levels,
but that is my personal opinion due.

Get a piece of frequency counter or guitar tuner software for your soundcard,
hit a piece of pipe in free air at a microphone and note the frequency indicated,
put it in a bucket of water leaving only enough out for the microphone next.

Wasn't even close to the same frequency, was it...



Obviously the line mains are a source of stimulation,
but you must also ring the can at an even harmonic
much farther up the frequency scale too (X8, etc.)
that the can finds closer to It's natural resonance.

60-hz feeds the can & vessal exchange as root,
the ring feeds a resonant-friendly upper harmonic
to the can as an additional resonance catalyst too.

Did that clear anything up ?



The singing bowl issue is light years ahead of this project,
Truely awsome stuff in many ways, and well proven,
but overkill for causing cavatation heating of water
using line mains frequency and upper catalyst harmonics.

Then again, modern science does see what the hammering of the metals is doing to it,
or that modern transmutation of metals produces the best product for making these bowls.

Start here, research more, you'll be surpised.

http://veracityvoice.com/?p=9691

Also the standing wave visualizations portrayed above with water/sand/etc.
do indicate the potential use of augmenting harmonics to produce gain,
and are relavent to the juxtaposition of mains freq to ring freq used also.

The goal being to "Ring" the can at an ideal upper (even) multiple harmonic
to harness gain by using It's resonance to multiply the input power significantly
by producing a standing wave in all parts concerned.


Again, my opinion,
but I think this gain is what makes this cavation heating so efficient.

[Slovenia]

Can Resonating

I've got my can resonating at 60 Hz. now.

See post #145

[Slovenia]

"Cup Sing"

He says if the can is tuned to 60 Hz the ring will make the can/cup sing at 300 Hz.. He didn't explain what he meant, but I've got him talking to me now in person. I think if we replicate what he has shared with us he may take us to the next level. I think this device is much bigger than the Peter Davey device. I've been told it does a lot more than boil water. I'm not at liberty to say any more yet.

Why would "contact" specifically mention 300 hz at the ring??
Whats the point ?

?
Chet

[RAMSET]

Wonder why?

Why would "contact" specifically mention 300 hz at the ring??
Whats the point ?

?
Chet