Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[MonsieurM]

search titanium bells...



However, i would recommend going with copper..as it was already used in plumbing and for a water container for thousands of years

[WeThePeople_USA]

Thank you Monsieur, there is a lot to the 432hz thing.

Perhaps some bell tuning software would help ?

Core, I noticed those shrimp-dip cups have a rolled edge,
they may work if the effect is electrical predominantly,
but not if the effect is purely sonic doe to the lip.

semi-spherical (half-globe) solid bells appear appropriate for Davey's work.

There are many people into just bells to ask:
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Of course, brass/bronze would not yield safe water, remember that.

(This forum doesn't allow .RAR or .ZIP attachments,
rename the attachment from .ZIP.PDF to .ZIP please)

[MonsieurM]

I wish to bring this to a next level if I may please.

The whole 50/60 hertz frequency thing is forced upon us my the mains supplier,
but water doesn't care what Con-Ed wants to serve us,
in fact the current music scale as we know it is a bittch-slap to music anyway.

A-432 tuning is nature, not the Nazi-mandated A-440 we got stuck with.

.

link for more info:

The Importance of 432Hz Music

The Schiller Institute campaign for a change in concert pitch from A=440hz back to A=432hz is based that 432hz is deeply connected with nature and the vocal chords of singers will not be damaged by higher ranges when centered at concert pitch A=432hz.

The recent rediscoveries of the vibratory/oscillatory nature of the universe indicates that current contemporary A=440hz international concert pitch standard may possibly generate an unhealthy effect or anti-social behavior in the consciousness of human beings.
A=440hz as a standard for concert pitch possibly may bring an unnatural 8 Hz dissonant change in how we think. DNA oscillates to protect itself from the environment and stress from dissonant interferance patterns of mechanical and electromagnetic waves may possibly effect the abilities of DNA to regulate our genetic makeup properly. Our inner ear for example works on the basis of Phi dampening. The waters of our inner ears rely on Fibonacci spiral dampening through the seashell like structure of the cochlea to keep us feeling centered or grounded. This Fibonacci spiral shape helps cancel out certain standing wave interference patterns, like a Helmholtz resonator, in order to keep us properly balanced with the natural environment around us. When the inner ear is in stress by artificial means, we can experience a type of "fog like" condition or feel "spaced out". The natural Phi shape of the cochlea can be found planet wide in a majority natural organic based life.

a little side note: using rodin math (which confirms the 432hz, natural choice )

432hz = 4 + 2 + 3 = 9
440hz = 4 + 4 + 0 = 8

3, 6 and 9-Tesla .

[WeThePeople_USA]

TY Monsieur.

I only have a few O-Scope's left
and other pieces of test gear now,
to old to do this proper anymore.

The page you referred all us to on totalizm.org
had most of the information publically available.



No Chet,
ZIP-12345 is just Schenectady NY is all, heheh.
I'm a Ma$$hole (MA) by birth, so not far off really.

I was just referring to several threads I posted in
just like this one under my real nick before Aaron
banned me for my opinions on overpriced water:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7096-peter-davey-heater.html#post125518

Most of those pics are already well known,
and I'm not sure if that is the one I put vids in.

But they are around.

I'll upload an archive of videos if people ask for it here.

Here is the NZ patent everyone wants to find a copy of.

[RAMSET]

WE the People

I like your handle Bud!
And you sound as if you have the skills to "Get it Done"?[an asset to us as we "Tune"]
Plus you seem to be a Fellow NYer?

You allude to another persona ,Vids ,Posts?

Can you elaborate with links to any pertinent info?

Thank you
Chet

[MonsieurM]

WeThePeople_USA , i like your approach and it is the way to go...musically talking...

[WeThePeople_USA]

I wish to bring this to a next level if I may please.

The whole 50/60 hertz frequency thing is forced upon us my the mains supplier,
but water doesn't care what Con-Ed wants to serve us,
in fact the current music scale as we know it is a bittch-slap to music anyway.

A-432 tuning is nature, not the Nazi-mandated A-440 we got stuck with.

Ask any real musician or Google it for gosh sakes...

Reference:
"A 432" "A 440" - Google Search

I've contributed many pictures and references in previous posts from my last nick
before being banned by water-boy for contesting that whole overpriced thing,
and those than ran with all of that previous info I posted, good for you.

But for those more advanced than bicycle bells and line main freq's,
consider that the way may be a paired bell shape at a frequency,
but not the electric provider's version of what that may be.

Any inverter can be set modified to generate a fair spread of frequency,
heck, even a signal generator and good audio power amp can be used to research this.

get two bells that nestle properly,
shave the larger to ring UNDER WATER at the same frequency as the smaller one rings under water too,
then use you favorite local band's ubber-bass amp you borrowed to feed it in a test chamber
with your signal generator at that frequency, and multiples thereof, looking for results.

I like the "Wok" idea of fundamentals above, heheh, nice.

But really, water doesn't adhere to 50 or 60 hertz,
his discovery of a simple way to do this does help.

Efficiency should clearly improve if a friendly resonant frequency,
and It's harmonic relatives were used instead of a 50/60 mains freq.

Find waters 48/49 Khz mark and then divide down to a practical inverter-mod freq...

if bells that size are at least ten octaves away from the mains frequency,
and they can do what we see in the vids I posted (and elsewhere),
then imagine what the proper frequency at a closer octave could yield ?

I still like the "Two pins in the ends of a hotdog heater" simplicity of his discovery without a doubt,
but those here that still aren't yet as ancient as me and have nice test equipment could be working on a better arrangement is all I'm saying.

Have any of you used a frequency counter or triggered scope on his vids to get the harmonic that those bells of his are ringing at as example ?

NOTE:
I remember a vid where he strikes on of those bells out of water,
but there was no indication if that was a "Tuned" one though...

He also intimates from a piano where the two surrounding notes on it are
and that his note it is between (Again A-440 blows chunks...).

[wrtner]

Just a reminder to everyone. Lets not forget that this is not a free energy device. This device does draw amps. From the pictures I have seen they are somewhere between 2 and 7 amps.

Davey also hand sanded his bowls until they resonated at 50Hz.

-Core

Two points:
1. It is believed that this is an OU device. It draws amps but the
resulting heat in the water is many times more than we would get
from standard heating methods.

2. Davey sanded his bowls to an octave of 50Hz, probably three
octaves on, 400Hz. (I am collecting woks. This is what is needed
to tune to the 50Hz fundamental frequency).

Paul-R

[wrtner]

I don't believe it will resonate at the same frequency in water as in air

It seems odd but I think it does. The resonant frequency depends
on the geometry of the device and material only.

It is easy to check with a tuning fork. Does a tuning fork tuned to "A", 440hz,
sound the same under water?

[Slovenia]

Other Inventor

Core,

The device we are studying now was designed by another inventor in Europe who studied the Davey device. It is quite different than the Davey device. It is not a free energy device. It is used as a cheaper method of heating a room in Europe. Thanks for sharing!!

Peter Davey admitted to leaving details out of his information on his sonic boiler so nobody would be able to replicate it. He wanted to manufacture and sell his but was never allowed to by his government.

Regards,
Slovenia

Just a reminder to everyone. Lets not forget that this is not a free energy device. This device does draw amps. From the pictures I have seen they are somewhere between 2 and 7 amps.

The question is 'For the amount of power it draws does it heat a given amount of water faster and with less power then traditional/current devices?'

Also the current pictures shown on this thread are not Davey's design but from another inventor. Davey never spoke about any other frequency then 50Hz as far as I know.

Davey also hand sanded his bowls until they resonated at 50Hz.

-Core

[MonsieurM]

Core is quite correct, this is an efficient heater (theoretically for now until replicated), the gain is in the amount of energy utilized to heat water, which means lower energy bills

[MonsieurM]

Consider air as as being in higher state of frequency than water; so for a higher frequency state to reach resonance you only need a low level of excitation where as for water being in a lower state of vibration you need a higher level of vibration....

[QUOTE]

thanks RAMSET

i would just like to add: and you should read it because it applies as well to water (on a higher frequency; higher octave )

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MonsieurM]

thanks RAMSET

i would just like to add: and you should read it because it applies as well to water (on a higher frequency; higher octave )

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Resonance of a tube of air

The resonance of a tube of air is related to the length of the tube, its shape, and whether it has closed or open ends. Musically useful tube shapes are conical and cylindrical (see bore). A pipe that is closed at one end is said to be stopped while an open pipe is open at both ends. Modern orchestral flutes behave as open cylindrical pipes; clarinets and lip-reed instruments (brass instruments) behave as closed cylindrical pipes; and saxophones, oboes, and bassoons as closed conical pipes. Vibrating air columns also have resonances at harmonics, like strings.
[edit]
Cylinders

By convention a rigid cylinder that is open at both ends is referred to as an "open" cylinder; whereas, a rigid cylinder that is open at one end and has a rigid surface at the other end is referred to as a "closed" cylinder.

A closed cylinder will have approximate resonances of


where "n" here is an odd number (1, 3, 5...). This type of tube produces only odd harmonics and has its fundamental frequency an octave lower than that of an open cylinder (that is, half the frequency).

A more accurate equation is given below:



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[RAMSET]

Thanks Bhaas

Your Ideas are very Cool,Gordon's contributions are awesome also!

I'm going to just try and ring the can the way Core and the "contact" said to tune it!

Once I get my "tuning rig" figured I'll be seeking advice on how to transmit the frequency Loudly?

Thanks
Chet

[MonsieurM]

when the ring hits a certain frequency it starts to emit ultra sound

If you place an iron rod in a dark room and cause it to vibrate at first you'll only be able to tell it is vibrating by touching it.

Increasing the vibration to 32Hz will produce a loud and shrill sound and vibration can now be detected by both touch and hearing. Increase that vibration to 40Hz and you can no longer detect the vibration by touch or sound.

If you increase the vibration to 1.5MHz you cannot feel or hear the vibration but you can detect the vibration though the rise in temperature in the iron first warm and then the iron rod will glow red hot and can be detected by sight.

At 3MHz the rod is now producing violet light; increasing the vibration more will produce ultra-violet rays and other invisible radiations that can only be detected by special instruments.

There are so many "vibrations" flowing all around us that are invisible to our 5 senses who can tell how they affect us. Uranium emits and invisible radiation that will kill you. You cannot see it but it is there and kills. Who is to say how the other radiation affects the body and mind.

Isn't it possible that the mind radiates its own wireless transmissions that are received by other minds but we just are unaware of that as of yet[/. There is no scientific proof for or against this theory, yet so many people will just to the conclusion that it cannot exist. There are among the same people that would have disbelieved radio existed before it was proven that is does exist.

You MUST keep an open mind and use these methods as those successful have already used them to achieve success. Who are you willing to believe, those who have not succeeded or those who have?

Dr. Alexander Graham Bell