Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[boguslaw]

0.5L cans are very popular in Europe but if that must be particular beer with not standarized rim - it would be hard task !

[Slovenia]

.5 liter

The .5 liter can is what we're looking for. Where can we get them?
Thanks Gordon!!

Jelen pivo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Gordon!!

Jelen pivo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[MonsieurM]

Jelen pivo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jelen Pivo is a light beer produced by Apatin Brewery ltd. Jelen Pivo contains 5% alcohol, belongs to the class of light lagers, and is made of high-quality[clarification needed] hops, barley and yeast. Besides Serbia, Jelen Pivo can also be found on the markets of Montenegro, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, as well as Switzerland, Austria and Sweden.

Jelen Pivo is the leading product of the Apatin Brewery (established in 1756) and it is available on the market in the following packages: cans of 0.33 l and 0.5 l, non-returnable bottles of 0.33 l, (1 L and 2 L plastic bottles in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia Montenegro and areas within the Balkan Region),

[Slovenia]

Right Beer Can

Chet,

I agree, and I don't know how to do that. My contact appears to be through answering questions for the time being.

We only know the following:
1) You take a can of beer from 0.5 liters, the top cover otstranice.
2) Make a ring of iron sheet larger than 2.1mm diameter cans.

This guy is a Hell of a smart guy and 2.1mm doesn't make any sense to me. A 1/2 liter can of beer would be a big can of beer I'd think unless he's talking about a 1/2 liter six pack which is possible. He's probably referring to much smaller cans in a 1/2 liter six pack. The 2.1mm diameter makes no sense either unless that is the diameter of the ring at the top of the can which is possible. He did say to remove the top cover and sand the can. Maybe he means for the top cover to be removed leaving the top part of the can inverted inward instead of being cut off perpendicular from the bottom of the can. A beveled in top to the can would have a really different effect. It would work kind of like a 9mm shell casing. Anyway, I think we're on the right track and several heads is a lot better than one.

Thanks for your help and support!!!

Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia
We have to get the right beer can to start!

I'll do a "mock up"

Chet

[RAMSET]

I knew it!

Slovenia
We have to get the right beer can to start!

I'll do a "mock up"

Chet

[boguslaw]

vamnacrtao

could be

vam na ???? = you on (private conversation maybe???)

either it is pure Serbian which I do not know or it is damaged sentence

I know Russian a bit and Serbian also sometimes are similiar but not always

[Slovenia]

Latest Updated Diagram of Sonic Boiler (USA Version Only)

Sept. 10, 2011 Latest Upgraded Sonic Boiler Diagram: (For USA Only)

[Slovenia]

Aluminum Can Scenario

I asked him for specifics on the beer can but he didn't elaborate any further. I guess it needs to be aluminum but he didn't say why. He wants to see pictures of a fabrication of the device, and then I think he'll be more willing to provide more information.

So a can within a can?

I think we have to start building this Now ??

Why does it have to be ALuminum?? [just whining] ,its much harder for me personally to fabricate aluminum!

Did you get a Brand name of the Beer can he used?

If we start Building we can send him Pics for more advice!

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

This man does seem determined to share!!

So a can within a can?

I think we have to start building this Now ??

Why does it have to be ALuminum?? [just whining] ,its much harder for me personally to fabricate aluminum!

Did you get a Brand name of the Beer can he used?

If we start Building we can send him Pics for more advice!

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Translation of vamnacrtao

If you set the way as I explained to you in the drawing and will work well on 110 Volts 60 Hertz in the USA in Europe will not work.

New Message from Contact: (Re: Sonic Boiler Scenario)

Sonic boiler are trying to make a 110 Volt 60 Hertz has a COP = 6.93 when upgraded water at 80 degrees Celsius for central heating. It works better than the best air conditioners can be purchased with money in the USA.

Do not raise the voltage above 110 volts, you do not burn out a fuse on the pole. If you set the way as I explained vamnacrtao and will work well on 110 Volts 60 Hertz in the USA in Europe will not work.


Attn.: Does anyone know what vamnacrtao means in either Russian or Serbian? Google translate couldn't translate it for me.

P.S.: So, it would appear that my contact did the math for free for our USA 110 volts. I only asked for his European version, so that's what I expected him to share with me. So, I will change my diagram again to fit USA 110 volts.

[Slovenia]

New Message from Contact

New Message from Contact: (Re: Sonic Boiler Scenario)

Sonic boiler are trying to make a 110 Volt 60 Hertz has a COP = 6.93 when upgraded water at 80 degrees Celsius for central heating. It works better than the best air conditioners can be purchased with money in the USA.

Do not raise the voltage above 110 volts, you do not burn out a fuse on the pole. If you set the way as I explained vamnacrtao and will work well on 110 Volts 60 Hertz in the USA in Europe will not work.


Attn.: Does anyone know what vamnacrtao means in either Russian or Serbian? Google translate couldn't translate it for me.

P.S.: So, it would appear that my contact did the math for free for our USA 110 volts. I only asked for his European version, so that's what I expected him to share with me. So, I will change my diagram again to fit USA 110 volts.

[Slovenia]

Pos & Neg Connection Points

I'm not an electrical guy, so maybe (+) & (-) were not the right way for me to go. I was wanting to verify with my contact which electrodes needed to be connected where. So, my (+) was meant to be positive and my (-) was meant to be negative. I just wanted to make sure my contact and I were on the same page and he agreed that I understood what he was telling me.

Thanks for your input!!

The original drawing also contains (+) and (-) signs. This is odd because it is being power by AC 220 volts. If we assume that the water is non conductive then we end up with interesting arrangement of oscillating electric fields or one big capacitor.

-Core

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Obelix,

The can he referred to was aluminum beer can. That must be what he's talking about then. Thanks for your help!!

Regards,
Slovenia

Hi,
Verified : a beer can or in french "canette" was 66mm diam and 127mm long.
Was aluminium or tin can
I think 2.1mm was the space between the can and the ring so the ring should be 70.2mm I.D. for european boiler.

Obelix

[Core]

Was just looking over the original patent. With the original device the conductivity of the water is extremely important. A salty solution will cause huge amps and a dead short. So the water is what regulates amperage.

The original drawing also contains (+) and (-) signs. This is odd because it is being power by AC 220 volts. If we assume that the water is non conductive then we end up with interesting arrangement of oscillating electric fields or one big capacitor.

Water is a diamagnetic fluid. The rings when charged, like any capacitor, will experience a strong initial current and create a magnetic field be it a small one. The water will respond with an opposite magnetic field and try to move away from the source field. I wonder if this causes the water to slosh/vibrate back and forth and in turn vibrate the rings. If so the water would be slightly compressed between the rings.

We know that a charged capacitor experiences and inward force when charged. The water, when vibrating, experiences compression and decompression. Maybe in decompression the energy gained via capacitance is violently released raise the water temperature.

One thing for sure the water cannot be to conductive.

-Core