Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Serbian Beer Can Boiler

Hi Altair,

The professor is getting a COP of 12 for USA mains and a COP of 10 for European mains. To get the higher COP, the beer can needs to be tuned precisely to 50 Hz EU and 60 Hz USA. The beer can model does work and has heated his home for quite some time now.The IKEA boiler was built by an experimenter with the thought of getting away from the aluminium beer can and going to stainless steel application. The IKEA has it's own proprietary method of tuning to the proper frequency. Tuning is the big problem with the boiler. For optimum results, you must tune the device to either 50 Hz EU or 60 Hz USA. If you have your device tuned optimally, you can use it for many things other than just heating. You can make steam; make hot water; generate electricity; and/or generate hydrogen. Professor Savic is a very busy full time Physics professor, so he doesn't have time to answer all questions posted to him. He may choose to answer yours.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I would really like to have a reply from Dr Savic on the questions I asked in my earlier post. (Slovenia ?)
If he confirms that yes, resonance could also be obtained with a different length & thickness of tube, then we might have more options to build a replication.

But I don't know to what point it is important that the tube resonates well at 60Hz (or 50). The beer can is extremely light to be used as a resonating hmmm... bell ! If the walls were thicker, I think it would be much more resonant.
In an electronic analogy, there would be less damping, so the Q is much higher.

But again, we don't know what are the goals to pursue in developing this system.
Is mechanical 60Hz resonance more important , or is electric 1.15MHz resonance more important ?

Altair

[MonsieurM]

Try the same operation for 50 hz....using the 5 2 8 triangle ....counterclockwise for the calculations

42712.2 x 8 = Y
Y x 2
50hz

[MonsieurM]

Is mechanical 60Hz resonance more important , or is electric 1.15MHz resonance more important ?

Altair

I was wondering where the 6 went, in this system...60 hz...harmonic math 60 is 6




42712.2 x 9 = 384409.8 Hz
384409.8 x 3 = 1.153229.4 MHz



COHERENCE AT ANY LEVEL IS COHERENCE AT ALL LEVELS.
An orderly arrangement between wave lengths establishes a connection between frequencies and fields. But for this connection to last, it must resonate to all frequencies and fields. This can only be accomplished through the resonate structure of golden mean pathways. a harmonic cascade effect

[cornfused]

Merry Christmas all!!

Thought I would post an update from me.... Still no luck tuning beer cans..I cant find a 200 MM can anyplace in southern indiana/Northern Kentucky. And am having zero luck trying to get any other size to tune to 60 Hz.
Professor Savic, your family and son are in my familys prayers. I sincerely hope all is well.
Altair, you have asked some good questions! Those are ones I have been asking myself the past week. great work all!! Was admiring all of the pipes on the pipe organ at church last week.I am going to start in a direction of custom cylinder......any ideas?? I have machine tools..Was wanting to get my tuning correct before I put in water..there is no doubt in my mind that this works well!! Thanks again to all that contributes, and Thank you Prof. Savic.
Merry Christmas to all!!!
Jason

[Altair]

Just thinking out loud here,
if the 60Hz resonance of the tube is important, would it be possible to affix a machined steel ring to the end of the tube that, because of its mass, would be much more resonant...
It could be tuned to the exact frequency by filing or sanding the end...

Altair

[Altair]

Thanks Monsieur M.
I am also of the opinion that the system is scaleable in size.
As the dimensions seem to be tuned to harmonic multiples of specific frequencies, it would theoretically be possible to build it in a different scale.

I would really like to have a reply from Dr Savic on the questions I asked in my earlier post. (Slovenia ?)
If he confirms that yes, resonance could also be obtained with a different length & thickness of tube, then we might have more options to build a replication.

But I don't know to what point it is important that the tube resonates well at 60Hz (or 50). The beer can is extremely light to be used as a resonating hmmm... bell ! If the walls were thicker, I think it would be much more resonant.
In an electronic analogy, there would be less damping, so the Q is much higher.

But again, we don't know what are the goals to pursue in developing this system.
Is mechanical 60Hz resonance more important , or is electric 1.15MHz resonance more important ?

Altair

[Slovenia]

Professor Savic Sharp Fellow

Hi Altair,

Professor Savic is a very sharp fellow indeed. He's highly intelligent and highly educated too. He also watches this forum very carefully and knows what we do here. He doesn't speak English, but he knows how to communicate really well and he also knows how to interpret everything posted on these forums. He doesn't miss much. It's like he can almost read minds or something. Every time I talk to him I learn something.

Thanks for sharing here!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Thanks for the reply, PhysicsProf.
I am also of the opinion that trying to patent this heater will result in deception for the inventor, and suppression for everyone else.
History has shown that it is impossible to patent an overunity system.

Sadly for the inventor, official recognition will never happen from the governments. Instead, many problems WILL happen personnally to him.

He has to make a difficult decision regarding the future of his invention, or rather re-discovery of Tesla's technology. If he was more fluent in english and had a few years of experience on the forums on overunity, that decision would not be difficult, he would understand the complications involved.

This is the very sad reality of this corrupted world.
I don't know if someone could easily explain that to him.
I just hope that history will not repeat itself again.

Altair

[Altair]

Thanks for the reply, PhysicsProf.
I am also of the opinion that trying to patent this heater will result in deception for the inventor, and suppression for everyone else.
History has shown that it is impossible to patent an overunity system.

Sadly for the inventor, official recognition will never happen from the governments. Instead, many problems WILL happen personnally to him.

He has to make a difficult decision regarding the future of his invention, or rather re-discovery of Tesla's technology. If he was more fluent in english and had a few years of experience on the forums on overunity, that decision would not be difficult, he would understand the complications involved.

This is the very sad reality of this corrupted world.
I don't know if someone could easily explain that to him.
I just hope that history will not repeat itself again.

Altair

[MonsieurM]

Some of you may wonder where did the following come from:

42712.2 x 9 = 384409.8 Hz
384409.8 x 3 = 1.153229.4 MHz

from the post: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-query-43.html

Water is a ready and fit subject for vibratory research on account of its "differential volume" and gravity of its gases. Even on simple thirds the differential action between hydrogen and oxygen causes antagonism and dissociation. The differential of mass is such that the hydrogen and oxygen become thoroughly repellant and thereby exhibit thousands of times more force than could be induced by heat on the same amount of water. Vibration of antagonistic thirds, sixths and ninths on the mass chord will compel progressive subdivisions and to get the best effect on water, the instrument is set on all of these. First, the focalizing chord of sixths induces perfect harmony to the mass chord.

[RAMSET]

You speak the truth Gordon

It is Completly impossible to Patent a device that claims more power out than in!
I think the number is 6000 something patent attempts in the last 50 years
of this type ?
ALL have been siezed with absolutely no benefit to the inventor!!
It becomes a crime ........

History..... It speaks for itself!

Never hand a man a stick to beat you with!!

Open source !!


respectfully
Chet

[MonsieurM]

Are you sure you want to patent a "Divine" Musical Instrument ...but if the need arises ...go for it ...just remember history...I am only informing you not trying to raise an argument

please do not take offense..not trying to....much love on this side

Merry Christmas

[daemonbart]

Happy Holliday!

I wish you all a happy holliday!

Also I will start to use my steam before 2012, atleast I decided to work hard on it! I am steaming away 30l of water/24 h now, that is many many litres of steam . Cop is still going in the right direction! Output from serial transformer is tricky but getting better also

Kind rgds D

[MonsieurM]

Altair thank you so much for the calculations.... wow you made my day

now unto the details about thickness, length etc...

first of we have to realize that this set up is scalable (let's assume for now it is )
from that statement above, you should realize that it is not about having a fixed size to succeed but the relation of all the component have to each other just like a musical instrument....a violin does not have the same chord as a guitar

Sonic boiler a musical instrument not only heater.
Because God is an artist not only a scientist. prof.Savić, Serbia.

think of how you build a Resonant Circuit RLC or LC if you Prefer ( for the electronics wizard ) it takes a special combination to reach resonance

Not all Resonant Circuits are alike and yet they are Resonant

Electron for a moment lost in kavntnom [not translated properly IMO]
field (leave this dimension)

I think the word is Quantum field

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One last analogy

Not all Spider webs are the same , and yet they still manage to catch flies

[Slovenia]

Wow!!

Wow, this is great stuff!! Thanks for sharing here. Now I am really confused and have to do a lot more study. I thought I was finally about to get this all figured out and then wham. It's a big universe isn't it??

[PhysicsProf]

Thanks for the posts and information.
Altair:

This water heater is the most promising simple technology at the moment, and if we manage to get it known worldwide, this will probably trigger the start of the real disclosure of free energy technologies in the entire world.

YES, it could be that big.

I also have an email from the good Professor Savic in Serbia. He asked me to post it here on the forum, so here it is below.
My best wishes to all for a wonderful Christmas!

PS -- I haven't made an overseas phone call yet; working on it.

Dear Dr. Professor,
Google translator translates my bad messages to you.
I found the antenna rezonanatni heater works on the same principle as the sonic boiler and has an average COP = 52 when the water warms to 50 degrees Celsius. I have not patented it.

Price is 50 Euro patent in Serbia. expensive when the money will file a patent application as I am a poor man and Tesla.


This is sonic boiler:
Sonic the boiler resonance device is ostensibly a simple but very complex to understand as a Tesla coil.
Sonic boiler drains the energy of high-frequency quarter-wavelength from the system transmits high-frequency and low frequency in the system as heat.

The vacuum is full of neutrinos.
Sonic boiler draws energy neutrinos (Tesliona) high frequency.
Neutrinos originate from our sun and hit the crystal lattice of metal and break out of the last electron orbital.
Electron for a moment lost in kavntnom [not translated properly IMO]
field (leave this dimension) and cried when he returns to collapse with him seven times more energy than he received.
It is this energy that captures the resonance.

Diameter electrodes sonic boiler is a quarter wavelength, which he catches a current frequency of 50 Hz is only its excitation frequency.
Neutrinos are like sound waves moving particle pushes the particle.
And because the sonic Boiler tunes as playing a musical instrument at 50 Hz.
Sonic boiler a musical instrument not only heater.
Because God is an artist not only a scientist.
The higher the frequency of excitation current and higher voltage streuje boiler and pressure, the greater the COP sonic boiler.
This is why Tesla did with high voltages and high frequencies so that the more free energy catching environment.
Tesla says, "Each generation of electricity and transmission resonances without the deadweight loss."

Energy is free and therefore should give people free to use.
Declare this my explanation on energeticforum.
I wish all a Happy New 2012 and Christmas holidays
prof.Savić, Serbia.
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Thanks Prof. Savic!!
Steven

PS -


Note that Prof Savic has not yet applied for a patent but is planning to do so... Gotta run this afternoon, but there are reasons why I would NOT recommend seeking a patent, i.e., disclosing to the government that you have a working device!

Perhaps others will comment on the advisability of seeking a patent in this field?