Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[Slovenia]

Daemonbart Thank-You!!

Daemonbart,

Again, thanks for getting back to me. I do appreciate that. With regard to you sending metal free from somewhere in Europe to us, we don't want to take advantage of you in that way. If we pay for the metal and shipping, maybe that would work, but not for you having to supply us with free material and free shipping. Your offering to help in this way was very nice indeed. Thanks for that!!

With regard to the metal you are bending and talking about, we can probably get similar material in USA and bend it ourselves. There are inexpensive tube bending apparatus available here in USA. What sort of material would need to be bent and in what configuration? Could hand held tube benders be utilized in this process? If you can answer this here, please do otherwise send me a mail. Thanks!!!

Your offer to help us is duly noted and very much appreciated!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

You should have a mail, it is midnight here now but I work hard for you guys!

My offer about sending metal for free still remains! Now I mostly think about ring material! What will be cheapest way to send about 200 grams envelope from Europe to USA? Check into that, meanwhile I will setup 110/60 Hz for you over here

I am that lucky to have machines to make perfect cutting and bending up 2500mm of length

In 110V most important will be how much wider ring should be

When calculating cop I use 1,16 Wh for one litre of water one celsius degree. If container open to air I dont calculate loss, only to not make any "happy calculating"

At your service D

[Slovenia]

Direct Line

YOU have a direct line to the Father. Thank-you!!

Such good people ..............

[Slovenia]

Daemonbart Thank-You!!

Hi Daemonbart,

Thank you very much for your post to me. I would very much appreciate you working with us. I look forward to receiving a mail from you too!! I also have been working very hard on this project and Mr. "C" is helping too.

Thanks again for your note to me!! I needed to hear from you.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

You should have a mail, it is midnight here now but I work hard for you guys!

My offer about sending metal for free still remains! Now I mostly think about ring material! What will be cheapest way to send about 200 grams envelope from Europe to USA? Check into that, meanwhile I will setup 110/60 Hz for you over here

I am that lucky to have machines to make perfect cutting and bending up 2500mm of length

In 110V most important will be how much wider ring should be

When calculating cop I use 1,16 Wh for one litre of water one celsius degree. If container open to air I dont calculate loss, only to not make any "happy calculating"

At your service D

[RAMSET]

I love this thread.............



Such good people ..............

[daemonbart]

Slovenia!

You should have a mail, it is midnight here now but I work hard for you guys!

My offer about sending metal for free still remains! Now I mostly think about ring material! What will be cheapest way to send about 200 grams envelope from Europe to USA? Check into that, meanwhile I will setup 110/60 Hz for you over here

I am that lucky to have machines to make perfect cutting and bending up 2500mm of length

In 110V most important will be how much wider ring should be

When calculating cop I use 1,16 Wh for one litre of water one celsius degree. If container open to air I dont calculate loss, only to not make any "happy calculating"

At your service D

[Slovenia]

Daemonbart Serbian Boiler Posts (PDF File)

Daemonbart Serbian Boiler Posts (PDF File)

Since he claimed success with our project I have made his posts on our thread available in an easily accessible pdf file. Enjoy.

[RAMSET]

How to measure ??

Answer
Very carefully............

Seriously I have a plan
Item #1
Kilowatt meter
Kill-A-Watt Electricity Monitor-P4400 at The Home Depot

20 bucs....

Item #2
immersion heater

Instant Immersion Heater - 200W 559

5 bucs Note: this one is just an example I will attempt to get one that runs at the same watts as the device?

Item #3 1 gallon container!!

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This will be a seat of the pants run with some very scaleable info!

The killowatt meter is quite useful for this exercise. Once I see what the device draws I will pick up an immersion heater that draws a similar wattage.

Procedure
place the device in the gallon jug, Bring the 1 gallon of water to room temperature [note the temp]
plug device into Killowatt meter run device for X amount of time
note total "watts" consumed and temperature!

Disconnect

repeat experiment with Identical procedure on immersion heater!

Compare Data??

There will of course be Stirring

Comments Please ,I have very thick skin so feel free to let go.........

Plus we have to answer boguslaw's question "What does OU really look like in the water"

Hopefully the data will tell us that??
I must add
seeing how Duncan has his "draw" moving all over the place during his test with the Spoons I am hoping for a constant draw on the Killowatt meter?

Thanks
Chet

[boguslaw]

I have two (not so) stupi questions. First ; what we are looking for ? faster boiling water then normal electric heating or rather lowered power consumption from grid ? In other words : how we could find we have OU device in case of this heater ?

Second one is also interesting : if can is antenna resonant to about 1Mhz frequency : what kind of wave it is and where is the source of it ? I dislike the idea of having MW radio station nearby radiating required amount of radio waves at 1Mhz ....

I'm stuck with ring material , have to search harder. Slovenia : how did you cut ring material from can when we need bigger diameter of ring then can diameter itself ?

[Slovenia]

Another USA Domestic Can 23 oz

Chet found another American can possibility. It's an Arizona Iced Tea in 23 oz cans and you can find it at Walmart for approximately $.95 per can. I checked on line and they stock it at Sams Club, Cosco, and Walmart. Anyway, here is what it looks like:

[MonsieurM]

a little follow up on the harmonic math, i found this:

Anti-Gravity

The communications and power broadcast systems, engineered by Nikola Tesla, were based on the Earth as a spherical capacitor plate with the ionosphere as the other plate. The Tesla equivalent circuit was in harmonic resonance with the Earth's electrostatic voltage field:
60 mi. from Earth's surface to the ionosphere
+400,000 volts
1800 Amps from Earth to the ionosphere
.25 farads (all lengths or circuits must be 1/4 wavelength or some odd multiple of it)

The most appropriate frequencies:
from Earth's surface: 12 HZ and its harmonics
from ionosphere: 500 KHz (thunderstorms)

TESLA COIL ACTION

The resonant nature of the Tesla coil depends only on its having a 1/4 wavelength of the desired fundamental frequency of operation in its secondary, and not primarily on the inductive or capacitive properties, such as for an ordinary inductive-capacitive tuned circuit or for an ordinary open ended 1/4 wave transmission line. In addition, the turns ratio from primary to secondary is not the sole determining factor in the secondary voltage, as for an ordinary transformer. The high voltage in the secondary of the Tesla coil arises from the natural rise of voltage at the end of a nearly perfect quarter wave line, which in the case of the Tesla coil is 1/2 of an ordinary transmission line. The counterpoise or opposite leg 'medium' is in energy space and as such forms a connection to non-local space. Therefore, a Tesla coil is a quantum action device and the action between two coils in sympathetic resonance can be expected to be nearly instantaneous.

The tuned action also occurs at odd multiples of a quarter wavelength, such as 3/4, 5/4, etc. multiples of a quarter wavelength. Its resonant action also does not depend on a characteristic inductance or capacitance per unit length as for a conventional transmission line but only on its actual length of winding referenced to the speed of light in free space.

[Slovenia]

Phone Call

Chet,

If you're trying to call me, please wait till later this evening. I'm outside working in the yard and don't have a phone out there. Thanks!!

P.S.: I took the post down.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Slovenia]

Stainless

Hi Eternalightwithin,

Don't waste your money on the stainless YET. We don't know what we're doing in stainless yet and without help from someone who does, you can spend a lot of unnecessary money in that area without getting the results you're looking for. We need the wall thickness of the stainless and the diameter. The length would be helpful too, but we don't have anyone willing to share that info here. So, wait a bit and I'll see what I can find from Serbia. Nice to see you playing with the project. I found a really cheap source for stainless rings if you'd rather go that direction. They have 16 foot long strip for only $9 or $10. I don't know the shipping but it would make a lot of rings. Anyway, let me know. Thanks for sharing!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I'm broke till friday, so I can't order titanium stock just yet, but in the meantime, I'm collecting a variety of cans.

New teas and microbrews, hmmm.


So say we need to get stainless tube for longevity. You pay like 120-150 for a 2 1/2" pipe in titanium Or 316 stainless. (McMasters.com)

But... if you go under plumbing there is 316L stainless unthreaded pipe for 31 dollars.

This is the problem. Pipe sizes are weird. The choice comes down to 2 3/8" or 2 7/8"

Which is the lesser evil.

[eternalightwithin]

questions/opinion?

I'm broke till friday, so I can't order titanium stock just yet, but in the meantime, I'm collecting a variety of cans.

New teas and microbrews, hmmm.


So say we need to get stainless tube for longevity. You pay like 120-150 for a 2 1/2" pipe in titanium Or 316 stainless. (McMasters.com)

But... if you go under plumbing there is 316L stainless unthreaded pipe for 31 dollars.

This is the problem. Pipe sizes are weird. The choice comes down to 2 3/8" or 2 7/8"

Which is the lesser evil.

[Slovenia]

Ring With Keeper

Ring Info.:
Everything about my rings is spec according to Mr. "C" except for the thickness of the ring material which in this case is only .1mm and not .2mm. The ring material in the photo was tin can material and not my nice titanium. I'm getting a lot of practice making rings before I bend my titanium into a ring. I don't want to waste any titanium on a possible reject.

Folded Ring With Keeper Holding it In Place:

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Duncan, Thanks for sharing that!!