Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[PhysicsProf]

Thank you for your responses -- and for your research, osa... much appreciated.

I have received an email from Prof Savic, which he asked that I post here.
I do so (with the caveat that I do not share his views regarding neutrino effects here). I did not get the Serbian this time, just the translation:

PROF SAVIC: How does the sonic boiler:

90% vacuum is composed of neutrinos.
Neutrinos travel faster than the particle pushing svetlosti.Čestica as a sound wave,because the tunes as musical instrument.
neutirno guess when the crystal lattice of metals, ends the last electron orbital.
Affected by the electron is lost from this dimension in the field kvantnome a moment when he returns to pick up on the collapse of 7 times more energy than he had.
The energy we spend the resonances to 1 / 4 wavelength to the diameter of a hemisphereand a ball or cylinder sonic boiler.
It's pure electricity is condensed on the ball or hemisphere, or cylinder.
The electricity is passed through a otprnik to the water, creating heat,
The water molecules resonate and viibriraju on the same wavelength and energy of itssubmission to the radiator rezonanacon transferred to the air and our body resonates and absorbs the energy from the air and we feel the heat.
summary:
Sonic boiler captures high-frequency waves (microwaves) from the high-frequency systemwhose shape and dimensions and translates into a lower frequency electric resistanceheat dif water.
Sonic boiler used the electricity network as the excitation frequency and energy of thequantum fields that are condensed into a ball heater. and therefore has a COP greater than 1

Publish this on forum

[boguslaw]

My message to prof Savic

Mr Savic

I think that two frequencies 50hz and 400Hz produce beat frequency which is the rotor part of this device causing beer can walls to deforming around cimcumference 65mm.Water viscosity help rotate water inside like in Tesla turbine.Sound 50hz is "smeared" around like when someone is rubbing beer can around edge 9or a wine glass too).Proper gap is needed and proper tuning of ring/cap above beer can to create such beat. From my intuition I suspect that beer can will oscillate at 50hz due to large current anyway (but polishing it to ge real 50hz resonance will help with amplitude of this oscillations).
If the effect is the same as in singing tibet bowl when water inside is rotated then with sound we produce the same high speed like in big cavitation steamers.
If you would be so kind , please confirm or correct that theory.

Best regards
Boguslaw

[grizli]

I know several languages, other than mentioned and no, I am not in or from Serbia.

Equipment is from past but I just needed something stronger. I did experiments before with sound amplifier, but it wasnt strong enough so yes, I bought the strong more expensive one just for this purpose. Should you chose this very versatile solution you will need a VERY strong sound amplifier hooked to your PC. If you have such device will be glad to to assist should you need any of assistance.

To be honest above post was for you and cheryman, playing with tubes needs to have some direction to it. As you can see professor, I am sort of a champion of random testing and testing without some calculations before so I suggest you check my long post above before you decide to test some tubes, cause you need some sort of a plan so I have been reading about it, will post in case I get a breakthrough...

Put signal that consist of two sines 50 and 400 hz at the imput of strong audio amplifier .

Use small electrides, like two cups.. NOT beer can. If we use current that consists of two harmonics than we DO NOT need beer can, nor special metal objects that resonates at particular frequency, we just need two electrodes that are ELASTICLY mounted , so they can FREELY vibrate at frequency of vibration which is produces by the current passing electrodes and water gap.

If you have posibility, please make such experiment and post results.. Try to vary frequency of base signal, and to tune higher harmonic precisely and watch the results ..

[osamaricu_te]

osamaricu_te -- do I understand correctly, that you speak Serbian? this is great if so!

Secondly, are you located in or near Serbia?

You wrote: " the equipment I bought solely for this experiment, that can change frequency of AC as desired"

Can you describe this equipment for us? I'm very interested in what you have.

And thanks for jumping in and doing experiments! as I have also done, but I feel like I'm just getting started.

I know several languages, other than mentioned and no, I am not in or from Serbia.

Equipment is from past but I just needed something stronger. I did experiments before with sound amplifier, but it wasnt strong enough so yes, I bought the strong more expensive one just for this purpose. Should you chose this very versatile solution you will need a VERY strong sound amplifier hooked to your PC. If you have such device will be glad to to assist should you need any of assistance.

To be honest above post was for you and cheryman, playing with tubes needs to have some direction to it. As you can see professor, I am sort of a champion of random testing and testing without some calculations before so I suggest you check my long post above before you decide to test some tubes, cause you need some sort of a plan so I have been reading about it, will post in case I get a breakthrough...

[PhysicsProf]

thats unusual to hear from you... I never said time invested is lost or did I say its crap. I just said that with the equipment I bought solely for this experiment, that can change frequency of AC as desired to match ANY frequency you can come up with has shown no change what so ever in COP.[snip]


I am truly glad for you and if one day I manage to do the same will post it.

Until then...

osamaricu_te -- do I understand correctly, that you speak Serbian? this is great if so!

Secondly, are you located in or near Serbia?

You wrote: " the equipment I bought solely for this experiment, that can change frequency of AC as desired"

Can you describe this equipment for us? I'm very interested in what you have.

And thanks for jumping in and doing experiments! as I have also done, but I feel like I'm just getting started.

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Much easier to understand translation than Google Translate. Thanks!!

New English Translation Added (Compliments of osamaricu_te)

Reply to Boguslaw:

Frequency of 200 Hz is good, but you need to find proper distance between electrodes.
Distance between electrodes is not the same at 100, 200 or 400 Hz.
Cap or ring must play at least 1 octave higher than then can, which must play at 50Hz for EU or 60Hz for USA.
Be persistent you will make it. Sonic boiler is not just a heater, it is musical instrument as well.
Building an instrument is not easy.
For ring part use steel and aluminium for the can, or brass for ring and steel for the can.

Greetings prof.Savic Serbia

[Slovenia]

Mr. "C" Reply to Boguslaw

New English Translation Added (Compliments of osamaricu_te)

Reply to Boguslaw:

Frequency of 200 Hz is good, but you need to find proper distance between electrodes.
Distance between electrodes is not the same at 100, 200 or 400 Hz.
Cap or ring must play at least 1 octave higher than then can, which must play at 50Hz for EU or 60Hz for USA.
Be persistent you will make it. Sonic boiler is not just a heater, it is musical instrument as well.
Building an instrument is not easy.
For ring part use steel and aluminium for the can, or brass for ring and steel for the can.

Greetings prof.Savic Serbia

[Slovenia]

Mr. "C" Message to Osamaricu_te

Message for Osamaricu_te

Dear Sir,
I'm very sorry that you were unable to create a sonic boiler you have spent "a lot of money and time" But be persistent, not easy to make a sonic boiler because it is a musical instrument and heater, I will help you in this your work.
I do not speak English. I feel I know the Serbian language and is fluent in English so I asked you to be my translator on Google translator because energetic forum very bad translations.
This will contribute to the project and open sours that people in the world for less heat
Greetings from your homeland prof. Savic

[osamaricu_te]

It is important to remember how shape affects the frequency that an
item rings at.

Look at a tuning fork: The smaller the length, the higher the frequency.
Look at a bowl: The smaller the diameter, the higher the frequency.

Notching does make a difference. Dave Lawton notched his tubes for
his electrolysis (or water fracturing) project.

But adjusting thickness needs to be watched out for because I suspect
that long before the required ring is produced, the component will be so
thin that it will not be useable any more.

As for 200hz instead of 400hz, I personally believe that the nearer the
driving frequency, 50hz, the better but an item accurately tuned to
400hz (pretty much the sound of many bicycle bells) will work better
than an item poorly tuned to 200hz.

I reckon that the COP will depend on the closeness of the tuning.

Paul-R

this... spot on what I was saying about the can. It is very difficult to tune it to 50Hz, BUT I am not posting just to ***** about how hard it is, I have found something interesting for me at least, maybe some of you already went through this but anyone working on this device should read this and make use of formulas on this page to see where he is heading or where he is right now:

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, I used specs from this topic to determine the can frequency with cap cut off and unsanded!
These are numbers I used:

speed of sound through air = 343.2 at 20C
Harmonics = 1 I used 1 it could be 2, 3, 4...

length = 15mm
diameter = I used inner one, which should be approximately 0.061m

so I got that acoustic resonance of "beer" can should be 492Hz. pretty close to 500Hz which is harmonic of 50Hz.
So many ways to correct this 492 to 500, such as correcting the lenght of can to 14.72mm instead of 15mm, also higher temperatures have higher sound speed so that could explain why people get better resonance at higher temperatures using this can.

Now, another observation that MIGHT assist someone to try, I know I will in few days...
I used above formula for a can that is 52mm in diameter (thin european one), same height, BUT I cut off the both ends to make an open tube. I have put these details into equation to get around 1061.224 Hz of resonance. In reality, that can was resonating on its harmonic 106.1 Hz (checked by 2 methods), so what I am trying to say, 1061 from formula divided by 10 (harmonics) = 106.1 or in upper case of "beer" can, 500 divided by 10 = 50Hz.
So I would suggest someone to try using this formula him self and shorten the can to the size I suggested 14.72mm instead of 15mm (not the can you sanded since if this dont work you would lose all the work you invested in sanding).
That should get it to 500Hz straight unless I got this all VERY wrong in which case, I sincerely apologize.

Finally, speed of sound in water is very much different than in air 1435, so this is one of the reasons I believe actual frequancy might not play such a big role as much as DIFFERENCE in frequency between + and - electrodes and gap between them.

Once again, I might be getting this all wrong as I proved in last post with numerous failed attempts...

:P

[RAMSET]

Some help please

Several members here have commented in the past about reactive power
as it applies to our homes.
We would like to understand more about this and how it may apply to this device?[if at all]

How can we measure reactive power ?

Should we be able to do 2kwh work on a cold 3 amp fuse ?

A new thread for this is over here.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10294-help-please-understanding-reactive-power.html#post174931

With all respect
Chet

[wrtner]

I'm polishing my cap and it become thinner and thinner each day but frequency do not change a lot. I'm stuck with 259Hz. Do you have any idea how to change frequency of such shape like bell by making any notches or holes ? Is frequency 200Hz good instead of 400Hz?

It is important to remember how shape affects the frequency that an
item rings at.

Look at a tuning fork: The smaller the length, the higher the frequency.
Look at a bowl: The smaller the diameter, the higher the frequency.

Notching does make a difference. Dave Lawton notched his tubes for
his electrolysis (or water fracturing) project.

But adjusting thickness needs to be watched out for because I suspect
that long before the required ring is produced, the component will be so
thin that it will not be useable any more.

As for 200hz instead of 400hz, I personally believe that the nearer the
driving frequency, 50hz, the better but an item accurately tuned to
400hz (pretty much the sound of many bicycle bells) will work better
than an item poorly tuned to 200hz.

I reckon that the COP will depend on the closeness of the tuning.

Paul-R

[Slovenia]

Serbian Response:

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks for your apology!! I do understand that sometimes things can be said by us and understood in a different context than we meant for them to be taken. Your apology is accepted and forgive me also for being so annoyed with you. From what you wrote in your post I took an offensive meaning and then took the offensive. I believe in Mr. "C" & Mr. "D".

Now I understand but since I wrote that line, I see it was wrong expression on my side. My observations are related to tubes and what ever I personally tested. This is not related to sanding the can to 50Hz or any test where spheres are used or anything else that I didnt tested... This should have been understood without me saying it like this since I cannot comment on things I didnt test, my comments are for the tests I did, with tubes and matching frequency to where ever it was needed...

My apologies for not explaining in first place, but I didnt think people will consider this to discard this entire idea I just said what DIDNT work for me, so it might save some time to someone.

[osamaricu_te]

This is the line I read that annoyed me. If you'd left that line out and the sentence below it, it would have been a grand post.

Now I understand but since I wrote that line, I see it was wrong expression on my side. My observations are related to tubes and what ever I personally tested. This is not related to sanding the can to 50Hz or any test where spheres are used or anything else that I didnt tested... This should have been understood without me saying it like this since I cannot comment on things I didnt test, my comments are for the tests I did, with tubes and matching frequency to where ever it was needed...

My apologies for not explaining in first place, but I didnt think people will consider this to discard this entire idea I just said what DIDNT work for me, so it might save some time to someone.

[Slovenia]

The line I didn't like

This is the line I read that annoyed me. If you'd left that line out and the sentence below it, it would have been a grand post.

I know it is said there are "people" who have achieved OU but after all this testing (and more that I dont remember) I sincerely doubt it.

I know such claim cannot be made just because I failed to achieve it but since this is my post it is subject to my opinion and there for I express it.