Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[RAMSET]

Thanks for your concern

Uh Oh I see S has posted
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If you didn't read the disclaimer ,you should.....

If your not comfortable with experimenting, You shouldn't
But don't assume the worst....

I started my working life hanging on to the sides of airplanes
inches from the screaming prop... "Tuning"!!
Jets soon followed.

After that the things I have done for a living were even more risky
and "always" involved the safety of others,and still do to this day,
if you have ever been to NYC you most likely have come in contact with some of my work!

Lately My life has taken a change for the simpler [not by choice]
but one of the customers I still take care of is a nice sized boat yard with floating docs and Very high voltage at very high amperage
Always playing in the water with electricity.......

Just be safe ........and you will!!
Its not knowing the danger that is dangerous , not the case here

We the people ,your a cool guy ...please don't feel we are ignoring your concerns
As usual with this kind of thing ,it ain't perfect [the field support]
but its enough for me .......

And Frankly
I'm freakin excited!!
Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

we the Peeps
I admit the 400 hz at this time seems to be hanging in the breeze?
perhaps it intimates an actual drive frequency that will develop??

I've resigned it to mean that the ring should resonate at a periodic that is X4 of the can, but have little proof of this concept in all the posts here and elsewhere.

No mention of an external source has ever been confirmed.

RE Sparks

If Mr.C can get the ring stable with out getting all Sparky
Then thats the first choice!!

I, for one, strongly insist at least some sort of
insulator be applied to the outer surface of the can,
or the inner surface of the ring to prevent making this
an underwater welding project at the very least people (?!).

Perhaps a test [continuity] to check a dead short prior to throwing the power switch would be an appropriate precaution{of course it would]

Thank you for your continued interest and contributions!!!
I expect things to get much more interesting around here "shortly"!!

I've been quiet after very little reception
to my initial technical questions (to be polite),
but this is now getting very dangerous to all !

have you seen how far a glass moves
while in resonance in high speed vids ?

now think about a friggin tin can,
and look at the gap clearance used!

This can't end well...

If the choice is to "Suspend" the ring seperately from the can,
please utilize a protective measure from a full short circuit, OK ?


Core, your a lifer HVAC dude by nature,
I have an opionion I'll PM/IM if interested.

I almost never PM/IM anyone, so I'm asking.

[RAMSET]

only one source for power

we the Peeps
There is just one hook up!![well two physical connections for one supply source]
No additional feed....
I admit the 400 hz at this time seems to be hanging in the breeze?
perhaps it intimates an actual drive frequency that will develop??

RE Sparks

If Mr.C can get the ring stable with out getting all Sparky
Then thats the first choice!!

Perhaps a test [continuity] to check a dead short prior to throwing the power switch would be an appropriate precaution{of course it would]
Plus a weak breaker?? [not too the Valve [ring] is designed to draw X amount or current]
Thank you for your continued interest and contributions!!!
I expect things to get much more interesting around here "shortly"!!

Chet

[WeThePeople_USA]

None of my questions previous were answered,
like if the 400-Hz was external,
or a multiplicative of the mains.

So I'll just let them go until they become obvious later...

Let me throw this out there about the insane idea of having
a tin can float in a gap this tight and not shorting out to the "Ring"
in catastrophic failure sooner than later in this current design...

Why not place the ring on the can with
as little spacers as is necessary
to keep it at the desired "Gap",
but let it still be free of the can.

Something like a few short pieces of tubing at three points.
(three legged stools don't wobble...)

Then attach a flexible braid to the ring to keep things safe ?

[TEKTRON]

I don't like wiggle room when it comes to copying some one elses work of such a sensitive nature.

I know there is a can out there some where ,I get some strange looks walking into the Liquor store with a ruler and a set of calipers measuring their inventory.
I love when I tell them "it don't measure up" !! [I have very high standards}
Nobody's Chased me with the crazy man Net!
Yet!
Chet

Chet,ROFLAMO!

[MonsieurM]

from: Intuitor Physics of Resonance, Tesla, Master of Resonance

Nikola Tesla (1856 - 1943) - Master of Resonance

It was an innocent experiment. Tesla had attached a small vibrator to an iron column in his New York City laboratory and started it vibrating. At certain frequencies specific pieces of equipment in the room would jiggle. Change the frequency and the jiggle would move to another part of the room. Unfortunately, he hadn't accounted for the fact that the column ran downward into the foundation beneath the building. His vibrations were being transmitted all over Manhattan.

read on...

[RAMSET]

My 3 cents cavitation

Ahura Mazda,
I say Cavitation ,the patent that you and Masterplaster shared speaks of the relatively weak bonds that hold the water together,this is why we can do electrolysis at such Low to Nil currents.
I believe we are working ultimately with A mechanical Cavitation maintained by resonance on a weak bond,, with
I spritz of voltage /current to boot.
An example of how easy it can be to cause a mechanical cavitation Heat event in water here!
youtube pistol shrimp - Bing Videos
If this device will do any thing close to the above ,or cause a resonance
to maintain this conditoin????????

If you've seen the Davey Instant heater

Peter Davey's Sonic Resonance Boiler - 02.2008 - YouTube

@boguslaw had some nice frequency related theory??

We are building this device ,I have chosen to Find the right Can [taking some time in USA] before I attempt a replication.

I don't like wiggle room when it comes to copying some one elses work of such a sensitive nature.

I know there is a can out there some where ,I get some strange looks walking into the Liquor store with a ruler and a set of calipers measuring their inventory.
I love when I tell them "it don't measure up" !! [I have very high standards}
Nobody's Chased me with the crazy man Net!
Yet!
Chet

[Slovenia]

principal operation

He's seeking a patent on a much more complicated efficient version of a similar device, so he's not wanting to get into specifics as to why it works and/or how it works.

He did say that even though what he has shared appears simple enough, that the device would not work well if the can is not tuned properly and/or the provided gaps are either not used or maintained.

Hello all.

Can some one please tell me the principal operation of this heater?

If mr C could explatn that the bilding of this device would be very easy.

Thanks

[AhuraMazda]

Principal

Hello all.

Can some one please tell me the principal operation of this heater?

If mr C could explatn that the bilding of this device would be very easy.

Thanks

[Slovenia]

Remove Paint

Boguslaw,

I haven't tried it on the beer or pop cans, but brake fluid or carburetor cleaner will remove paint from a car. I've gotten them on my car before. The carburetor cleaner comes in a spray can for cleaning out the carburetor and/or oil and grime from around the carburetor. It is very incredible stuff. I think it contains methylene chloride a carcinogen though.

I will try it on the pop can and let you know.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Do you know how to easily remove lacquer from outside and some kind of clear dope from inside ? should I do it or it could work without removing paint from can ?

[RAMSET]

Very cool idea ..........{ Heh Heh ]

TEKTRON
Nice!!

To quote Dole [TK thread]
"but historically at the end always come very bad music form a one man music show."
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Thanks for being part of the band, we're gonna make this baby Sing................

By the way ,You just added a very good dimension to this device {material density.hardness Tune],In my opinion the only reason Mr.C used a beer can is the Guage is so thin that it reacts with the frequency,like a soft diaphragm!

If we annealed [700 f] a larger wall tubing to make it softer it would probably do the same thing.[well of course it would]

Just thoughts for the future ........

See The other Device "Davey's ,,He started to explore the idea because of his nightime airplane rides, he would
play with the throttle and get the cabin to resonate in such a way that it made heat.........
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I believe once we figure this out... we could also make some heat in the air with resonance [space heaters]
We could really use that!!




Chet

[TEKTRON]

I'm collecting beer cans Do you know how to easily remove lacquer from outside and some kind of clear dope from inside ?

You could try baking can in a 450 deg f. oven for an hour. Let it cool, fill with some sand and shake.

[RAMSET]

Yes you described it {insulator]

Laquer thinner to remove laquer.. fine sand paper and elbow grease if that doesn't work!

I believe the idea for using beer cans is so ..."Every body can" Replicate!!
Really good source for beer cans!

boguslaw
I believe you are completely correct we don't have to stick to the PDF for this effect to manifest! That being said ,I cannot take that leap of faith and build something Ground up!!
This man has it working ...It is a replication of a very very very prominent
mans work from the late 1800's early 1900's

And I am sure Mr.C wants to see Slovenia get this working ,and will help in all manner of ways to insure he does!
Thats good enough for me!
The reason I made the offer to you is I know you have limited tools,
I also know how difficult it can be to have to improvise without resources
Plus I believe You "get it" about Open Source... and you are a really cool guy.

The offer stands................

Your Friend
Chet

[boguslaw]

I'm collecting beer cans Do you know how to easily remove lacquer from outside and some kind of clear dope from inside ? should I do it or it could work without removing paint from can ?

Chet
Thanks for kind offer, but I think somebody should do it without exact measurement , to validate if that works just by idea or only by strict positioning of elements (I'll make s close as possible to required diameter and gap using only hand tools). I have only simple hand tools sometimes very crude , that means a lot of time to build anything .Anyway if I could make some OU thing that would mean EVERYBODY CAN - that's the concept (because I am also the worst builder I know )
What I really need is the insulated stainless steel rods or something like that to electrically disconnect terminals from metalic water container or just an idea how to do that from scrap parts. Something like threaded SS rod sunken into piece of plastic also threaded from one side and which stand for boiling water temperature....

[RAMSET]

A few more things

Some thoughts and an offer!!

1st the thoughts

It is obvious that the frequency, the device and the water all play roles in a successful replication .
Since you and I are stuck with the mains as our Driver
We will be limited to the device and the water for tuning

Yes Tuning the water too......
I believe we will be playing to some extent with our water ,I have read where a man in serbia is using potassium in his water ?
I think we will need a benchmark for our water too... PH ,specific gravity
and any other way we can establish "conductivity"[suggestions???]

To spend all this time "tuning" then drop it in the water fire it up and Nothing happens...........
Well the heck with that
play with the water ... then drop it back in!!
Or have several drop tanks!!
If nothing still ,well time to tune the rig again rinse and repeat!


These things will be important for Core also IMO!

If we record all data , it will be much easier for this community to
get this figured?

Plus of course our ace in the hole "Mr.C"??

@The offer
My friend boguslaw
I will also send you the same tools I sent Slovenia ,all you will need is Beer
cans and time??

You know as well as I do that if we get ANYTHING to happen here that is not just resistive heat

It will open many other doors.....

[email protected]

ps
Mr.S
Can you measure specific gravity and PH ?
if not let me know!!