Peter Daysh Davey Water Heater Query

[RAMSET]

Tell Mr.C about the "Honey Do List"

I don't know if they have them in Serbia?

Its all about peace on earth ......
And staying out of the dog House!!

Chet

[Slovenia]

alternate ring scenario

Thanks Chet. I had a feeling I shouldn't deviate from the original design for some reason. The tolerance of the 1.725mm gap is so close, I was hoping and extra support might be a viable option. I need to get things rolling again soon. "C" thinks I've abandoned the project I think and that's not good. My stainless was short pieces, so I was going to have to make my ring out of two halves, and so I thought what if I could connect each of these ends to a support. Thanks!!!

IMO
Only the ring should be charged ?
All bracing needs to be Non conductive ,,no alternate paths whatsoever

And if Mr.C is adament about the device needing to be in a Manifold

Unless its for safety?? [Faraday cage of sorts][yikes]
*Note we should find out if there is a Health issue with this when not in the cage?? does it transmit harmful??

But if the Manifold is required for the effect ,then IMO no deviation should be made until we manifest the effect ,extra metal bracing will seriously impede results if that is the case.

But thats just my Not so Humble opinion.

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A hypothetical Approach [only after frustration sets in]
Get the ring set to size ,be happy you have it right [checking with shims and such]
Place the shim around the can ,cover the shim with release agent
Slide the ring onto the shim ,cast the ring in epoxy with some sort of
stiffeners[non conductive] going out to the outside manifold ring!

*Note afore mentioned Manifold ring not a "stock" item!

Set like a spider web to the manifold ring !

I would Pitty you S ... But I'm right behind you!!

Chet

[RAMSET]

Charge only the ring

IMO
Only the ring should be charged ?
All bracing needs to be Non conductive ,,no alternate paths whatsoever

And if Mr.C is adament about the device needing to be in a Manifold

Unless its for safety?? [Faraday cage of sorts][yikes]
*Note we should find out if there is a Health issue with this when not in the cage?? does it transmit harmful??

But if the Manifold is required for the effect ,then IMO no deviation should be made until we manifest the effect ,extra metal bracing will seriously impede results if that is the case.

But thats just my Not so Humble opinion.

-----------------
A hypothetical Approach [only after frustration sets in]
Get the ring set to size ,be happy you have it right [checking with shims and such]
Place the shim around the can ,cover the shim with release agent
Slide the ring onto the shim ,cast the ring in epoxy with some sort of
stiffeners[non conductive] going out to the outside manifold ring!

*Note afore mentioned Manifold ring not a "stock" item!

Set like a spider web to the manifold ring !

I would Pitty you S ... But I'm right behind you!!

Chet

[Slovenia]

Alternate Ring Support Method??

What do you think of this ring support method. I am not trying to deviate from the master's design but was looking for more stability in my supporting of the ring. With this method the ring is supported on two sides unlike the original "C" design which is only supported on one side. Is there anything potentially wrong with this design from the electrical side??

[Slovenia]

Point Well Taken!!

No offense taken. You make a very good point indeed. Initially he was talking about the can being 150mm in length and then he told me my can was to short and needed to be 200mm in length. I don't know if the 150mm went with the voltage in Europe and the 200mm with 115 volts here in US or what. At this point, I'm probably going to be experimenting with shorter cans too. I just want to see this baby work first and then we'll start tuning it and see what COP we can get out of it.

Metric & English sounds good for the tools. Since he's talking metric, metric tools will work better because a fraction of an inch can be a real pain.

I'm going to NY again Wednesday I am not stopping till I find the Stupid can that Mr.C is using!!
No offence but My feelings about Splicing cans together Is like
Cutting a musical instrument apart and then adding sections.

I can't take a chain saw to a stradivarious !!

A beer can as we all Know Is a Delicate Instrument .... Balanced to perfection By Trained professionals!!



Chet
PS
Good news I forgot to mention ..The tools are metric as well as domestic!!
At least we will be Speaking Mr.C's language when it comes to the Measurements!

[Slovenia]

Warps in Stainless

I got all the warps out of my stainless. I'll explain that later. So, we're ready for the next part soon. The warps were my main problem and I had to use an unconventional way to remove them which I've never used with stainless before.

[RAMSET]

Precision tools in transit

You should have them Wednesday
I'm going to NY again Wednesday I am not stopping till I find the Stupid can that Mr.C is using!!
No offence but My feelings about Splicing cans together Is like
Cutting a musical instrument apart and then adding sections.

I can't take a chain saw to a stradivarious !!

A beer can as we all Know Is a Delicate Instrument .... Balanced to perfection By Trained professionals!!



Chet
PS
Good news I forgot to mention ..The tools are metric as well as domestic!!
At least we will be Speaking Mr.C's language when it comes to the Measurements!

[Slovenia]

Enclosed Container

I heard back from Mr. "C". He said I needed to have my assembly fixed inside an enclosed container. He said the wood frame was not good because it would absorb water.

I told him it was strictly for short term test purposes only.

[RAMSET]

YES S we Shall overcome!!

Heres a movie from Magluvin at OU

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[Slovenia]

Warped Stainless

I wasn't counting on the stainless warping. It's been a real pain and slowed the process of making the new ring immensely. We're going to make this thing anyway.

My sheet was to short, so I'm going to be making the ring in two separate halves which I'll rivet together. This does make it a little more complex however because I have more holes to drill and more margin for error. Everything has to line up properly!! Oh Well, we're going to overcome the problems anyway.

[Slovenia]

Thanks!!

Thanks Chet!!

Slovenia
I am hoping once you get the Tools we can work in Thousanths of an inch!
They are digital .......
This is gonna be fun!!

Thanks
Chet

[RAMSET]

Thank you

Slovenia
I am hoping once you get the Tools we can work in Thousanths of an inch!
They are digital .......
This is gonna be fun!!

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Repost of Post #216 (I.D. of Ring Figured)

Important Ring Calculations!!!

The inside diameter of the ring can be determined easily since we have the required gap for European and US model boilers. We also know the diameter of the can to be 65mm.

US Model: 65mm + 1.725mm + 1.725mm = 68.45mm
European: 65mm + 2.1mm + 2.1mm = 69.2mm

You still need to calculate the circumference so that you'll be able to determine how much metal you'll need for your ring and how much overage you need to add for your attachment point for your stabilizer and electrical connection.

Circumference = 3.14 X diameter

European Circumference = 3.14 X 69.2mm = 217.288mm (8.6") = Length of Ring (You'll Need To Factor Extra Material In For Connection)
American Circumference = 3.14 X 68.45mm = 214.933mm (8.5") = Length of Ring (You'll Need To Factor Extra Material In For Connection)

[RAMSET]

An ID On the Ring

If you have an ID we can get a pipe Sample and Hone to fit ??
The tolerance looks to be about .070 [.035 gap] rather large actually!
Actually The Gap is 1.725 all the way around??
Or do you split the 1.725??

I have to check that of course .

Thanks
Chet

[Slovenia]

Stainless Steel Ring

I've been messing with that ring off and on for several hours now. There's got to be an easier way, but I haven't stumbled on it yet. I know it's going to be a busy week for me this week, so I'm trying to make some headway today since it's Sunday. It would have been nice if I could have had the steel flat cut to my specs but that wasn't possible. They want to much for that and I just had a couple parts to cut. If we get big jobs later it would be well worth it to have it flat cut with a brake. The stainless is rigid and warps easy. Once warped it's almost impossible to repair.

I'm planning on riveting the bracket to my surplus ring material. I'm having trouble with the ring and haven't got to the bracket yet.