Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[qvision]

@ Allen,

Thanks for the advice. I can't find a diametric cylinder magnet larger than 20mm here in the UK, i may get one from kjmagnetics.

As for the high voltage coil i have tried a few different coils now, the smallest wire i used was 0.23mm which is about 32 AWG i think.

Marius is getting the effect with 600 turns of 0.6 mm !

I spent most of last year experimenting with this same 20mm magnet and high voltage coils, at one point i had 2 pounds of copper on the coil-former and was getting 600 VDC from a 9 volt input but my amperage was so low it hardly registered, but it is amazing what you can get RPM-wise out of these magnets.

Here's a pic of that big coil and the magnet on carbon rod with tiny bearings.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff437/deepcut71/DSC01062.jpg

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[Allen Burgess]

Lenz delay.

@qvision,

I have two suggestions: One, try a larger Magnet, 20 mm is merely 3/4 inch. I got very good results with a 2 inch diameter tube on tiny internal ceramic bearings.

Two, wind a hi voltage coil with very thin 32 gauge magnet wire.

Pulsing one electromagnet at another with a quick enough
frequency will allow current to be drawn from the secondary
with a resultant increase in efficiency from the system due to
the delayed lenz effect?

[Farmhand]

Overunityguide, I'm sorry but in this post i wasn't refering to you i was refering to Thanes video's and related things. After all, this effort is to prove the effect.

http://www.energeticforum.com/156453-post103.html

The speed up effect is Obvious. It is proved, I have already admitted that a couple of times at least, anybody who cannot see the effect is blind. The thing is there is the hinting that this must be somehow OU or lead to OU or something.

I don't think seeing a rotor speed up under a small load is proof of delaying Lens, but thats just my opinion, disregard it. I won't argue that point any more.

Moving past that. How will this become usefull ? That is the big question.

Because the bottom line is, the load can be powered much cheaper by the same setup at lower speed. You proved it you're self. Probably even more load cheaper.

You proved several things in those video's from what I can tell.

I'm not going to replicate anything just to see a rotor speed up or use a bit less energy. I want to power loads. I can already reduce input with loads. And I don't need a rotor. I couldn't afford the neo magnets now anyway most likely.

I'll refrain from further interuptions. I misspoke when I said I lost interest, I'm still interested, but you're right I can't disprove anything.

Cheers

[Farmhand]

Hi Guy's, First of all, I want to say it's not my intention to be dismissive of any of the research and experiments done by anyone. I honestly have seen a lot of good idea's put forward by lots of people.

I can't believe I am saying this but I think any small amount of provable Overunity or Extra energy produced than is used will be good enough to convince most people. But it must be explained where the energy came from and how it came to be utilised.

I think nearly everyone on the planet that works for a living will at this point accept any free energy they can get. I'm not so sure it is such a good idea to try to convince the scientists and stuff though like Thane seems to be doing without full figure's. And solid proof.

Beside's I don't think it is necessary to "break any laws" to get Overunity "performance". Even if a device did break a law, in my humble opinion it probably wouldn't be a good idea to proclaim that, at first.

I would say something like I had a way to "get around" Lens Law. Then let others decide what they want.

If Thane claims OU then where does he say the extra energy come's from and how does he bring it in ?

I can't remember seeing any explanation of the "extra" and how it comes in.
I would be happy to try to understand if I had something to try to understand. Maybe I missed it. As I often do I admit. But it must be missable amonsgt all this stuff if I did. I want some free stuff too

Hey Rod, at which point of the wave did you switch ? Is it better to take part of the wave like a short or take the top off it ? Do you think.

I think I would use attraction, and generate to the top of the wave then short. I bet it's already been done though. Surely

Cheers

[Overunityguide]

In This Town We Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics | Ottawa Ske

@Farmhand,

Didn't you read:

Translated from engineerese, it says: "We think there's something interesting going on in the magnetics of this thing, but running the motor in this odd way makes it too hard to study properly and get good results."

From the above article?

And further this was a long time ago (04 May 2008), today there is more information about this effect available.

Not the least of which in my opinion is the way he is using the motor at well below it optimum RPM and voltage, the usefull load is neglegable

I am using a Frequency Drive Converter, So for each RPM setting, I will get the optimal motor settings from it: Please Review Video:
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

Also the effect looks to be caused by the load or short being too low a resistance for the generator to sustain. No reasonable load actually producing an output. A short is not an output. No energy is removed from the system by a short circuit except for losses, unless the rotor is somehow loaded to use the energy the generator coil is producing and using as a motor coil, if it even is. A short would simply circulate current in the coil.
A load is just a partial short really.

I am loading my Generator Coil while it accelerates. So (again) I would Advise you to See video:
Thane C Heins Replication, Confirming the Negative Lenz Effect - YouTube

I'm calling bunk until at least I see some usefull load being run. OR some input - output figures that are better than 70 watts in 2 watts out.

It seems like I have to say it again, my Replication is only showing proof of principle...

And further I have one question left where is your replication to disprove this effect?

[toranarod]

[toranarod]

Magnet Inductance Boost with Finemet nanocrystaline core

Thanks Guys
for me it's all about the generator coil design. ever success device claiming OU,
seem to be about generation design, unless you are working in HT voltage as Ed grey. or something.

[Shadesz]

I have a question.
where was it posted about the core materials that increased inductance by 3 times? there was a post about Amorphous Metal. metglass.

good work.

Magnet Inductance Boost with Finemet nanocrystaline core

[qvision]

I think it was nanocrystalline cores but i can't find the post

Magnetec GmbH,cool blue cores, nanoperm


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[toranarod]

I've been thinking about calculating the minimum RPM needed for the effect to kick in and then testing it.

All of these values are for components i have lying around and the gen coil is probably highly unsuitable.

Coil Inductance L : 0.01756
Coil Resistance R1 : 19.2
Load Resistor R2 : 220

Time Constant = L/(R1+R2)

TC = 0.01756/239.2 = 0.0734113712 mS

So, to beat the rise time the magnet must pass over the core very quickly.

Rotor diameter is 150mm, magnet dia is 20mm and flush with outer edge of rotor so magnet centre point is 10mm in from from the outside so the effective diameter is 130mm and our effective circumference (the travel line through the magnet's centre) is Pi x D = 408mm.

Let's say the magnet has to pass over the core in 0.07ms, so it must travel 10mm in 0.07ms.

Mutiply by 1000 to get us to seconds and meters =

0.7 seconds to travel 10 metres (10,000 mm).

The circumference to travel is 408mm so 10,000 / 408 = 24.509

So it has to rotate 24.509 times per second.

RPM = 24.509 * 60 = 1470.54 RPM.

Damn ! I'm testing as i'm typing, if i rotate my rotor anticlock it only gets up to 1482, clockwise it's max is 1473.

Oh well !

Can someone double-check my maths ? I'll stick it in a spreadsheet and post a link.


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I have a question.
where was it posted about the core materials that increased inductance by 3 times? there was a post about Amorphous Metal. metglass.

good work.

[qvision]

@ Farmhand, some welcome insights there. Hopefully when Mr Heins unveils his 'infinite range' electric car engine then we will know more.

I've been trying to get the effect using a single diametric magnet, i've tried all the way from 28,000 RPM down to 1,470 RPM in steps 250 RPM without any success.

Perhaps it is to do with rotor geometry, either side of a cylinder magnet is like two very close together magnets ?

Having said that, treebeard did it with a spherical magnet so ...

Anyway, lots more testing to do but sleepy time now


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[Farmhand]

This is not looking good as far as the regenerative acceleration is concerned from what Iv'e seen of Thanes video's.
First I say I don't care for the Law of whatever but there is more to it than that. Laws or no.
There are a few of us who think there is something very wrong with the picture.

In This Town We Obey the Laws of Thermodynamics | Ottawa Ske

Not the least of which in my opinion is the way he is using the motor at well below it optimum RPM and voltage, the usefull load is neglegable, and most striking of all is he is using hundreds of watts to power a couple of watts load. Also the effect looks to be caused by the load or short being too low a resistance for the generator to sustain. No reasonable load actually producing an output. A short is not an output. No energy is removed from the system by a short circuit except for losses, unless the rotor is somehow loaded to use the energy the generator coil is producing and using as a motor coil, if it even is. A short would simply circulate current in the coil.
A load is just a partial short really.

Short the coil on the DC side of a FWBR. And see what happens.

I'm calling bunk until at least I see some usefull load being run. OR some input - output figures that are better than 70 watts in 2 watts out.

Even the Dr Habash from the Uni says more testing.

Thane says he is breaking the laws of Physics then he contrdicts himself apparenty.

Anyway I think the Bi toroid is suspect too. The way it is presented reeks of not everything is presented and avoidance of the difficult questions.

I'm not big on laws of any kind. But every fibre of my body is telling me this is not right. And I am an amature. Something is wrong. With both devices and the way he demonstrates them.

I just lost interest. I tried to look at it from different viewpoints but I can't get past the enormous overhead created and the tiny load. With no attempt to load the rotor mechanically or with low impedance coils to get some output. Very difficult to get OU from a generator with no output to speak of.

No more annoyance from me, I promise.

I think if it OU show it, or don't claim it.

Input-output figure's for all OU claims. If people doubt it and you actually do have OU. Don't sweat it because you will get the last laugh.

Cheers and good luck everyone. I hope I'm wrong.

[antony27]

Hi Marisuvic,
I think your setup is not accelaration under the load or shorting. Because, voltage of driver coil is increasing when under the load or shorting.. Think that..

[qvision]

@Shadesz

I suppose we must include the reach of the field since, as you say, as soon as current is being induced and a load is eating it up then the CEMF begins.

I took AB's advice and hooked up my diametrically-magnetised cylinder magnet in an effort to get higher RPM's, it spun at 27,000 RPM and was still rising a little when i switched it off !

I'll do some more tinkering to see what works best, assuming i can get delayed Lenz.

*EDIT

Also, this is nice and simple in that the RPM adjusts the response to the reach of the field, i wonder what kind of window we have ? We have to get all these variables plotted and 'function-ised'.


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