Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[qvision]

My day is going terribly

First, the start end of the wind of my new coil snapped off, meaning i would have to rewind it to have both ends of the wind accessible.

Now my coil-former has snapped

I can't just unwind it because i wave-wind my coils, has this happened to anyone else before and is there a known way of retrieving the wire ?

[citfta]

Hi Allen,

I looked at the circuit frenky posted and it is what I thought it was. I just wasn't sure about it until I saw it. Thanks for telling me about it. I am impressed with your little coil and reed switch circuit. That is some amazing speed. Thanks for sharing.

Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

Coil efficency.

@citfta,

Take a look at Frenky's thumbnail schematic of Magnetman's circuit, four posts up. You'll notice a 12 volt relay, resistor and two potentiometers between the inner coil wire and the transister base. This is what I called the "Jonnydavro" power miser circuit. This circuit addition to the Bedini SSG helps conserve power, but it's a bit tricky to deal with. You don't need it. The thread spool unit above dosen't even use a transister, but exhibits "Lenz Delay Propulsion" in an undeniable and very impressive way. The only drawback to this simple design is the ceramic bearing cost. $50 apiece, prohibative for some. I ruined one and just centered the other, and gained even higher RPM's on the uni-bearing. A bit dodgy starting up, but once the inertial stability takes over it can really sizzle! Here's a link to the bearing manufacturer:

Angular Contact Full Ceramic Bearings

[Allen Burgess]

Run away spinner.

I lash wraped a thread spool bifilar coil from two partial spools of Radio Shack red magnet wire, that took about two minutes. It bulged in the middle, and was randomly spaced but tight. I wired it in Tesla hi voltage series fashion, and stuck it through a CD with widened center hole. I then positioned a Radio Shack reed switch flat against the underside of the CD, right next to the coil face and wired it in series between the coil and a 6 amp 12 volt battery.

I spun a 3/4" diametric magnet on a pair of costly 1/4" ceramic bearings on a 1/8" brass rod. I laesr tached the RPM's from underneath, and measured the battery voltage input with a multi meter.

The results were awesome and startling! At high speed, maybe 15,000 RPMS, at the upward limit of the reed switch on-off speed, the magnet spinner just took off and ran away under it's own steam, with the reed switch stuck and no longer any drop in battery voltage up to 30,000 RPM, the bearing friction limit. The tiny coil began to run cool after run away. This was also before my video camera returned from the JVC repair department, but I have snapshots of the setup. Click on the thumbnails:

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These are pictures of a very simple "Lenz Delay Propulsion" demonstration design:

Left to right:

1- View of the 3/4" spinner in the 2&1/2" PVC core.
2- Miniature 1/4" O.D. , 1/8" I.D. all ceramic bearing on top of a Radio Shack 12 volt 6 amp hour battery.
3- Position of the 12 volt Reed Switch on the Hi Voltage Spool Coil. Pins should point away from the magnet.
4- Top secured for running with coil seated down partly inside the output core.
5- The six main componants: Power coil on core, 3/4" diametric tube magnet, 1/8" inch brass axel, ceramic bearing, battery and Reed Switch.

[qvision]

The test tube generator is a few months old now, Tom has moved on to a very creative idea using just permanent magnets and a Lazy Susan turntable thingy.

I got myself some 0.125mm wire at lunchtime and i have cut a new coil former and am winding a new coil, this thin wire takes AGES to wind i'd forgotten what it is like, my drill is now charging for the third time !

I'll report back after i've tested the new coil, hopefully i wil be a member of the Anti-Lenz Gang by that time ;+}

[Allen Burgess]

"Test Tube Generator Video".

@Frenky,

I'm a big fan of 62498's. We have been exchangeing ideas for years now. Thanks for turning me on to his new "Test Tube Generator Video". I haven't seen that one yet, but his generator is merely the power portion of my motor alternator.

I'm very glad you brought this up though, because I replicated his circuit, and my spiral power coil bifilar runs the America LED bulbs off the spiral coil BEMF just fine. The problem with his circuit and my motor alternator, is that it will only light the bulbs below the "Lenz Delay Threshold".

The RPM'S I need to get the "Lenz Delay Propulsion" in my unit burns the bulbs out, because the spiral coil BEMF is way too high a voltage. I would need to design a new circuit to accomplish both jobs. He's just idleing that sphere rotor. That said, marrying 62498's bifilar BEMF kind of circuit to my motor alternator would definitly be OU> 1. I tried it, just needs a properly wound flux core step down trasformer. More work. It has real good possibilities. I have to run my spiral power coil BEMF into a charge battery, which dosen't seem to want to stick. Thank you.

[frenky]

So your setup is something like this?
TEST TUBE GENERATOR.MPG - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

Inductance.

@qvision,

One can measure coil capacitance of a Hi inductance wrap simply with or without a core or cores of different material, just by charging the coil from a battery. The magnetic strength of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns, along with the voltage. Iron ferrite cores increase the magnetic strength. Touch the coil leads to a battery, and measure the stored charge with and without the ferrite core and compare the results. Thin wire coils of many turns store a charge between the tightly wraped wires. Test the storage capacity with different cores this way and compare them to the air core alone. Air has an inductance value along with Iron. The higher the capacitance, the better the "Delayed Lenz Effect", because this self induced coil charge retards the magnetic pole shift. Try a diametric magnet in the coil core, then try a thin wire series wraped bifilar of many turns with and without a diametric magnet core and compare those results to iron ferrite and air alone. The higher the coil capacitance, the less input power and rotor speed you need to benifit from the propulsion effect. It's important to take note of the amount of time it takes for the charge to bleed off through the multimeter. The longer it holds, the higher the reluctance of the core. This is function of capacitance.

Reluctance is a different matter. Gotoluc, over at the Overunity site, is attempting to test a high inductance nanoperm metglass toroid core. It magnatizes fast and strong, but also demagnatizes fast and completely. The rapid loss of magnetic strength, or low reluctance value, may not help improve the hysterisis loop that creates "Lenz Delay". This core would show a high charge that would vanish quick. Probably not the best choice.

[citfta]

Thanks

Hi Allen,

Thanks for the info. I have built many SSG circuits so that is nothing new for me. I wasn't sure what you meant by the Johnny Davro reference earlier although I do remember seeing a lot of postings by him a year or so ago. I'll see what I can come up with later today or this evening when I get some extra time. Thanks again,

Carroll

[qvision]

@ All.

When we are talking about high-inductance coils being better for the delayed Lenz effect, do we mean the inductance of the coil with or without the core ?

[Allen Burgess]

Spinergy.

@citfa,

Thanks for the information about the voltage regulator. It will work fine with a 1" sphere. The spiral coil is powered by a simple Bedini SSG circuit. It includes a potentiomer that regulates current and spinner RPM. The Daftman has a print out of the layout that I used. You can add a 12 volt solenoid coil to help cut your input, but that's optional.

The spiral coil is wraped from bifilar radio shack speaker wire. You can spot that on the shelf very easily. Just determine how large you want the core diameter to be. It needs to be large enough to house a spinner cup for the 1" magnet. Select the cup befor you start to wrap the spiral power coil, and don't forget to leave extra room when you guage your start up loop diameter for the wraps to fill in.

The trick is to wind the wire on a stick, to pass through the core as the factory spool's too large to fit through the hole. That's half the job. Then you make two or three loops larger then the core diameter because as you spiral the wire around the loops, it fills into the inside. dont' leave any spaces, but maxamize the travel! This coil's power comes from the tautness of the wire, so keep pressure on it as you wrap. You can tape it in place to rest if you grow fatigued, and go back to it after you're rested. Same goes for the other windings. Try and find a shop to handle those wraps. Then your unit will really perform well.

The 32 gauge multi layer primary just shorts out, so no schematic required there. Anything will work. The thick wire secondary only needs to be one layer, but it's important that it goes CCW to the CC primary, or visa versa, and starts on one end and ends on the other. Reversing the wrap directions is necessary because the induced pole from the primary creates an opposite charge in the secondary, so the the poles match at the ends when counter wraped. The secondary output is generated by inductance from the primary, not the rotor magnet flux. The thin primay needs to start on one end and end on the other. This is really a very simple project. Any combination of wire lengths will work as long as all the coils start at the beginning and end at the end, which is the same place for the spiral power coil. Select your output core so the spiral coil fits neatly inside.

The large wire seconday output is A.C. I simply wired a super capacitor in series with a fast switching Shottky diode between the output leads, and drew power off the capacitor to substitute for a rectifer and regulator.

[citfta]

Voltage regulator

Hi Allen,

That is an amazing coil you have! I am interested in more info on how you have it all connected. I haven't really been following the thread closely so I will go back through it and look for more info. If you haven't posted the schematic would you please do that?

If you are going to feed some of the output back to the input you must use some kind of voltage regulator. In the remerouk thread there is an nice voltage regulator you can find cheaply on Ebay that lets you set the output voltage to a wide range of voltages. This will prevent the runaway condition you are having.

Were you able to get the same effect on a smaller scale? I don't have any spherical neos as large as yours but I do have some 1 inch ones. I would like to try to duplicate what you have done if you think it will work with a smaller neo.


Carroll

[Allen Burgess]

Coil efficency.

@qvision,

I tried to self run off a large capacitor I paid over $100 dollars for on Twinbeard's advice. The huge bass amp capacitor did not have the storage capacity to run the sphere speed up over the Lenz Propusion threshold. I tried to wire a smaller one in series to help, and at that point was traumatized by a huge explosion, nearly deafened me, and I put the unit on the shelf. I plan to return to the shop soon, and will try and re-test it, and upload a video. It starts to charge the run battery at an alarming rate! The multi meter figures tick up in a blur. The charge back to source is awesome. Many times the milli amperage input, but by exactly how much I can't say right now with any degree of certainty. The power from this unit is potentially lethal. This is more then just a toy! I'm ready to run more tests on it. I paid to have it wound professionally, and it really packs a wallop. That's a 1 1/2" magnet sphere. It starts to really take off and generate power at levitation boost RPM. Run away grows into an issue. I need to figure out how to shut it off! My earlier models looked nearly identical to yours. I'll try and get back with more solid test data soon.

[qvision]

Lovely setup The coil geometry is a similar concept to the Gabriel device.

I'm really jealous of that coil ;+}

Have you measured watts in vs watts out ?


QV.

[Allen Burgess]

Coil spinner.

@qvision,

Looks like you were spinning the magnet inside the output coil! I performed a series of similar experiments. I designed a spiral coil to power the magnet sphere based on Rodin's design. The output coil is a thick multi layered 32 guage primary for Hi inductace Lenz Propulsion, covered by a single wrap of 18 guage for high amperage output! The two different gauge wires are visable on the output coil wall. One can gauge the thickness of the hidden hi-voltage 32 gauge primary from the distance between the 18 gauge wire exit hole and the core side. You can spot the gold color of the 32 guage magnet wire peeking out at the base of the coil in the right hand photo. This is the highest state of the art Thane Heins style Lenz Propulsion motor alternator that I have seen so far. The no bearing sphere levitates and is completely frictionless when the spiral coil charges.

The 32 gauge primary runs shorted, while the 18 gauge secondary generates power to a super capacitor in series with a fast switching Shottky diode. I looped the output back to source and charged the 12 volt run battery. The spiral power coil runs off a power miser Jonnydavro style Bedini circuit with an induction solenoid coil and variable resistor off the battery power lead. This is an overunity self running battery charger, that can power light bulbs. One can evacuate the coil core for additional advantage. The sphere would then have to be started with a magnet swipe. This is the finished product. I can't think of any way to improve on it. The nested and frictionless rotor is far superior to Thane's linear bearing axial flux models. Quantum leap warp factor Te He He Lol!

Originally posted by Synchro:

"Then the coil makes its field, and gives the rotor a little boost". Twinbeard. Then to paraphrase him: When current runs through the coil, the coil makes the field, then magnetic poles appear at opposite ends of the output coil. The rotor beats it half way further around, then the poles shift again, but they're laging. This motor alternator at least begins to partialy power itself when current is drawn from the output coils.

Spiral Knot Trials - YouTube

The complete abscence of noise "The Sound of Silence", is the effect of complete sphere rotor levitation in this video. Nothing saying something!