Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[qvision]

I've noticed on my little tube magnet setup that, at a certain point, although the magnet's spin is accelerating, the current input starts to drop.

I'm thinking that, although the frequency is increasing, and therefore there are more pulses being required from the PSU, the pulse-width is shorter because of the higher speed.

Intuitively i would have thought this would balance out but i haven't done the maths yet.

I made a quick clip :

Input current drops as frequency increases ... - YouTube

[Allen Burgess]

2500 rpm per second.

@qvision,

Here's Alfacentauro again stabbing at a larger magnet with the same pencil in the video below. There's nothing funny sticking to it in this video. What's more important here is the sudden audible burst of speed, around 25 seconds into the video, and his assertion that the sphere begins accelerating at 2500 rpm per second with one watt of input! This is the "Past the Delay Threshold Effect" I've been trying to describe. I described my "Beyond Threshold" acceleration rate as 5000 rpm's every two or three seconds. He dosen't have a multi meter measuring constant input, but my test results show that input begins to decrease when the spin rate increases as sharply as we witness in his video. Where does the power come from to accelerate the magnet sphere at that fantastic rate of speed if it's not comming from the battery power source?


alfacentauro1111's Channel - YouTube

[qvision]

OK i've messaged them both.

After what you said i looked at the video again, i'm not even sure that it's frost because the small particles of it lying around outside the core aren't melting ?

It even looks a bit like the perspex waste i see after i've drilled some perspex !

[Allen Burgess]

Calorimetric readings.

@qvision,

Thank you for offering to co-operate. I believe 5000 hz exceeds the switching speed of Alfacentauro's transistor. I believe also, one would find it difficult to frost a pencil like Alfacentauro did just with a stream of compressed air with the same PSI as the core former produces. The other thing is, my thread spool coil is outside the coil former, and largely protected away from any air speed cooling effect. I have a pretty strong hunch I'm on the right track with my theory. We need solid scientific test verification. Thanks again for offering to help.

[qvision]

Ye i'd like to see Thane's core temperature logs. Alfacentauro's output is coming from a standard SSG circuit, if i remember correctly. I'll message him and ask, i'll message Thane today, too and see what he has to say.

[Allen Burgess]

Air flow.

@qvision

That's Alfacentauro's explaination. That's the first thing that crossed my mind when that tiny thread spool coil cooled off at top end. I couldn't detect any warm air exiting the bottem of the coil core though. How can you be sure about that? There may be a combination of causes. How do you explain his output? Precise caliorimetric readings on Overunity Guides output coil should show a tiny drop in temperature if my theory's correct. Things are not always as they seem on the surface. Where's his output comming from? All he has is a power coil! Thane Heins may have taken temperature readings, maybe we can write and ask him for any results.

[qvision]

AlfaCentauro isn't creating cold electricity, it's the fast airflow through the center of the coil former caused by the massive RPM of the magnet.

[Allen Burgess]

Below is a video link to a tiny magnet cylinder spinning at 300000 RPM. At :58 seconds into the video, the screen reads "Now Pencil Smoke". Alfacentauro1111 inserts a pencil into the coil core, and when he retracts it, it's frosted. The implications of this effect are quantum leap.

The work of Nicolay E. Zaev grows germaine. Click on the attachment from JLN below: You'll see a note in the center reading "OUTPUT powered only by the demagnetization energy".

Zaev discovered that high dielectric materials generate electricty when they demagnatize, and that the electric power comes from converting environmental temperature, which has the effect of cooling the material off.

"Lenz Delay Propulsion" must get it's power from somewhere! There must be a demagnetization occuring over the "Lenz Drag Threshold" to create the pencil frost, and this implies that the propulsion power may be generated from the "Quanta"; The atomic level, and molecular reordering that Nicolay E. Zaev discovered and JLN reproduced in his 2SGEN that is generated by the process of demagnetization. This newly generated "Cold Electricity" must transfrom into magnetic force to create the "Lenz Delay Propulsion".

alfacentauro1111's Channel - YouTube

@qvision,

I hope this helps explain why myself and Pirate Twinbeard both measured COP's>1.



Interesting documents to be read:

"Ferrites and Ferromagnetics Free Energy Generation" from Nikolay E Zaev published in New Energy Technologies Issue #5 Sept-Oct 2002.

"Inductive conversion of heat environmental energy to electrical energy" from Nikolay E. Zaev - New Energy Technologies Issue #1 (4) Jan-feb 2002

"Research on the Capacitance Converter of Environmental Heat to Electric Power" by Nikolay Zaev - New Energy Technologies Issue #2 Sep-Oct 2001

Link to follow: Experiment on Direct conversion of the environment temperature into electricity from Nikolay Zaev

[qvision]

@ Allen,

Did twinbeard ever attach a load or just measure the output power with a resistor ?

Also, with your device, what happens when you attach a load and what is the efficiency, watts in vs watts out ?

overunityguide,

When you have the hi-impedance coil from your video off, what
amount of voltage can be collected from it into a storage
capacitor?

Without loading your system in this way, will the regenerative
acceleration effect still take place?

If yes, ?
Accelerating the system ought to be another coil on the generator
wheel that could be used with the energy from the passive load.

[Shadesz]

Hey guys check this out. It may be something to consider...

http://www.energeticforum.com/157895-post1765.html

[Allen Burgess]

Hysterisis loop.

The unanswered question I have is why did I witness "Lenz Delay Propulsion" with just the bifilar power coils alone? Both the air core thread spool series wraped bifilar with Reed switch, and the bifilar series wraped air core spiral coil with Bedini SSG circuit exhibited the effect alone at high speed, without an output coil and load. This effect with just the power pulse coil alone opened up a whole new range of possible applications ideas for me. An electro turbo fan with a variable blade pitch for example.

Are we dealing with simply a hysterisis loop in the case of these two types of power coils alone?

[Shadesz]

# of magnets vs rpm's (frequency) does not determine how fast the magnet is passing the coil. Using these numbers as input will not help you identify the correct target speed.

Magnet bypass time is determined by RPM in relation to the circumference of the rotor. It doesn't matter how many magnets you have.

Increasing magnets but keeping the same rpm will not decrease magnet bypass time.

The only thing it could do is influence the coils effect one the magnet behind it.

[Allen Burgess]

A quote from Pirate Twinbeard describing "A time delay in the generator coil that shifts Lenz drag and accelerates the rotor while drawing less power when placed under load". These are his exact words:

"Sharing this rotor is a generator stage, which is designed to have capacitive effects by use of high ohmic resistance coils. These capacitive effects manifest as electrostatic potentials on the surface of the conductor, instead of electromagnetic current in the core of the conductor, which the electrostatic potential quickly decays into. Therein, however, is a minute time delay that advantageously phase shifts Lenz related drag out of the frame of reference of the passing pole of the rotor. This allows us to extract usable energy from the generator stage without drawing more power in the prime mover circuit, nor slowing the rotor. When optimally tuned to exploit this phase shift, a prime mover rotor will actually accelerate while drawing less current when the generator stage is placed under load. Further research into mathematically quantifying this phase shifting of the Lenz effect are ongoing, in an effort to break down the relationship of coil impedance, frequency, and phase angle of output into an equation."

Further proof confirming "Lenz Delay". Basicly, the magnet sphere just runs away and goes hypersonic till it disintigrates once past the "Lenz Delay" threshold.

FlowerPower shared rotor dc pulse motor/generator.

You'll notice Twinbeard's Flower Power device on the left is simply a high inductance spool coil on top of an air core Rodin Torus. A nearly identical configuration to my sphere spinner spiral coil nested inside a large high inductance spool core. The axis of sphere rotation is necessarily on the perpidicular to the output core windings. The second picture is a machined sphere chamber. The thread spool, rodin torus and spiral coils are all air core, and all three have achieved reliable "Lenz Delay Propulsion".

[Allen Burgess]

Upward Lenz delay Limit.

@brusers,

Excuse me for pre-empting Overunityguide on the Hertz and over limit issue. How safe is it to assume there's no higher RPM decline in effect?

Overunityguide's 3000 RPM'S times 12 magnets is very close to my ballpark estimation of 15,000 RPM's times 2 magnet poles for the "Lenz Delay" threshold of diametric spinners. Looks like a fixed constant perhaps? Once the magnet speed is past the lag, it dosen't appear to reverse itself judging from "Pirate Twinbeard's" Mach speed to magnet sphere shattering spin speed experiments. He started his own "Flower Power" Energetic Forum thread, and contributed mightily to the upward limit experimentation.

"Pirate Twinbeard's" experiments set new speed records for magnet spin, and as a disciple of Thane Heins, and master of "Lenz Delay Propulsion" he qualifies as the Chuck Yeager of Spintronics! He attained multiple Mach speeds. He demonstrates his tiny sphere spinner raceing to magnet structure material limits within seconds of crossing the "Lenz Delay" threshold limit, reaching nearly Mach three on propulsion runaway. Here's a quote from one of his posts repoting a frequency of 57,500 Hz, or nearly 3.5 million RPM.:

"So, without further ado the results of using a lower mass, lower diameter rotor:

Voltage at output stage, as measured by the Tek 465M mil-spec oscope:
@1100V
Amperage as measured by the RCA WV-526A inductive ammeter:
@700mA
Frequency, as measured in the method used a few posts ago, with the following differences:
Since I am seeing slightly irregular spacings between AC output wave peaks, probably because we are modulating the time domain to create the scalar waves, I decided to sum the peaks and divide by divisions. Hence, at a 20 microsecond per division timebase, I am seeing 11.5 full waveforms across the 10 divisions. This gives us 1.15 waves per division. 20 microseconds divided by 1.15 gives us an average period of 17.39 microseconds per full waveform. This translates to an approximate frequency of 57,500Hz. Multiplied by 60 seconds per minute, that gives us 3450000 RPM's with the smaller rotor. I regret that I cannot find an even smaller magnet to buy anywhere."

Try and catch up with some of his magnet shattering videos:

piratetwinbeard's Channel - YouTube