* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

bad advice

The safety of the consumed solution should also be of concern, but I think this is more than likely a scare tactic, especially if the correct procedures, verified parameters, etc., is followed.

THINK GB, the average person is going to use stainless steel, etc.. and will wind up with traces of toxic chromium, etc... in their mix, etc... go ahead and encourage people to screw themselves up - not very smart.

Why don't you study the whole thing before haphazardly recommending that people poison themselves.

Scare tactic? Anyone with business sense knows that a very small
insignificant percentage of anyone that will try to do it themselves has
no bearing on the majority of the population that simply wants to purchase
it. This has ALWAYS been the case.

Look at the history of the radiant battery charging for example - many people want to do it themselves UNTIL it is actually available to buy so people don't have to waste their time - unless they just want to study it but that is a small minority - most people are fairly pragmatic and see it as a waste of time.

Personally, I find it interesting and want to keep studying it but you are talking about a product that someone is to ingest and a product that your knowledge of is extremely minuscule, while inferring that people could make it themselves while saying it is a scare tactic to discourage someone from doing so.

In my book, I mention that if someone wants to experiment with using electrolyzed water for biology to practice on plants first that don't produce food. You really need to walk before you can run and if anyone gets sick from your ill informed advice, you are 100% responsible for them. Very easy for an anonymous person that refuses to put their real name to anything they say.

I have no problem with people discussing the science first but to suggest something that you know nothing about is completely irresponsible.

[toranarod]

Dear Toranarod,

I see you feel free to share your fears, so I would like to address them. From my experience, the product actually IS better than they can claim. On top of that, the US Government and the FDA know all about it! The company is in regular contact with people at FDA. The fact is, this product does not currently fall into ANY CATEGORY of substance that the FDA regulates. It is not a food. It is not a drug. It is not a nutraceutical. In fact, it is the first edible substance ever created that is listed as being "native to the body". It is the very first substance ever proven in laboratory tests to have 0% toxicity. That means it is safer to drink than fresh water!

Please don't be afraid that this product is real and that something extraordinarily good is happening in the world to make it available to you. Just take advantage of it. Perhaps all of your fears WON'T come true. You don't know the future. It's not written yet!

Let me give you an example from my own life. Back in the mid-1990s, I was one of the first people to start making Colloidal Silver Machines so people could make Colloidal Silver for themselves. I was afraid that the FDA would shut me down, so I didn't advertise or try to produce a high profile. Because of my fear, three things happened. 1) I never made very much money, 2) all of my competitors stole all of my innovative design features, and 3) since the FDA never did shut down the industry, I lost a golden opportunity to help more people and make a decent living. In the end, the FDA didn't need to shut me down, because my own fear shut me down.

I vowed I would never do that to myself again. With this product, I have every confidence that it will remain available indefinitely into the future and spread to every corner of the globe to produce the highest possible benefit for everyone.

Peter

hello Peter
I trust you are right. I am going to give the Rodex a good try,
because like you i have a few things that will I hope clear up.
and I want to fund my energy Research.

cheers

[FRC]

gravityblock

I am not a member there. Hope it works and can be replicated. I am going to buy the real stuff soon when I get back to work. If it seems to have some benefit, maybe will also try the distribution thing. Where I am now there probably is not much of a market for it (small town). But where I am going back to work there would be.

[gravityblock]

Fluorspectrometer (Free Trial Period)

Any idea how much the flourospectrometer would cost ? If one were to do it for personal consumption, I think this would be a must have instrument and might end up costing more than the commercial product anyway. I think it is a good idea to get in on the ground floor of the MLM concept, even though I do not like it myself. But you have to keep in mind that a lot of health products started this way, and it was years before they came down in price
and eventually became mainstream. If you can get in on it these first few years, it would probably be worth it.

FRC

Decomposition of water is a redox reaction. The oxidation reaction occurs at one electrode, and the reduction reaction at the other electrode. Circulating a saline concentration of at least 0.15%, while maintaining a PH of 7.2 to 7.5 with a temperature range of 30 - 100 degrees Fahrenheit and using < 30volts will produce stable redox molecules and will be sufficient to prevent production of toxic chlorates. By staying within these parameters, and experimentally verifying the results of different parameters during the free trial period offered by Thermo Scientific, then there should be very little to worry about. Thermo Scientific has a free one-week trial period to evaluate the Nanodrop fluorspectrometer (they will also pay all shipping costs),

The stable ROS concentration, for example, has a variation of less than 5% from batch to batch and from device to device when the same set of parameters are employed by each. It may even be safe to assume future batches to be free of the unwanted chlorates once the Nanodrop has successfully verified the production of stable redox molecules if the same set of parameters are employed for each batch. Of course it would be better to use the Nanodrop or other similar device to verify the safety of every batch. Maybe with further research, an alternative or extremely cheap method of verifying every batch produced is safe for consumption will be found. The method itself looks simple. The safety of the consumed solution should also be of concern, but I think this is more than likely a scare tactic, especially if the correct procedures, verified parameters, etc., is followed.

Does the FDA test all meat and poultry products for contamination? Of course not. This allows one to argue you shouldn't eat these products because they may not be safe. IMO, the safety of the DIY Redox Molecules at the suggested intake or dosage, which is a relatively small amount, by using verified parameters would be higher than eating meat or poultry, which only a very small percentage is actually tested for contamination.

I created a thread where this can be freely and openly discussed, so I'm a little confused to why you asked the question in this thread.

GB

[FRC]

For those who may be interested, here's a thread on, "DIY - Stable Redox Molecules". This is being done in the "Spirit of Open-Source" and Educational Purposes for those who may be interested, who can't afford the manufactured product, or is turned-off by the MLM approach, etc.

Thanks,

GB

Any idea how much the flourospectrometer would cost ? If one were to do it for personal consumption, I think this would be a must have instrument and might end up costing more than the commercial product anyway. I think it is a good idea to get in on the ground floor of the MLM concept, even though I do not like it myself. But you have to keep in mind that a lot of health products started this way, and it was years before they came down in price
and eventually became mainstream. If you can get in on it these first few years, it would probably be worth it.

FRC

[Aaron]

find something constructive

Seriously, not even the letter book.

My mistake, one of the horses mouths, but whether it is one or more, it is interesting how you appear to be surprised (in your comment above) that someone hasn't followed your same path. There are quite a few different paths in this life - I'm sure you know that.

The thing that gets me is how you are so sure of yourself that it is "executed poorly" because you have a small percentage of people complaining about misleading themselves.

You prove this point again claiming it was poor, people see one thing and their mind goes into autopilot mode creating all kinds of false realities about the situation instead of just seeing it for what it is. What it is, is a few people complaining about it but out of that you have all the answers. Just like the analogy of the three wise men that each are grabbing a different part of an elephant - trunk, leg and tail - each is asked to describe what it is and they are coming to a conclusion based on a small glimpse of the overall picture.

I know what the real results are because I'm corresponding with people by phone and email on a daily basis since then - people that are interested in doing something productive with their lives, not finding things to complain about.

And, most of them are members of Energetic Forum. They're actually appreciative of learning something new about the health breakthrough and they're thankful for the battery secret.

[gravityblock]

DIY - Stable Redox Molecules

For those who may be interested, here's a thread on, "DIY - Stable Redox Molecules". This is being done in the "Spirit of Open-Source" and Educational Purposes for those who may be interested, who can't afford the manufactured product, or is turned-off by the MLM approach, etc.

Thanks,

GB

[Savvypro]

The situation you see is a very small minority of people that don't want to take responsibility for buying into their own assumptions - sorry but I'm not into buying excuses and reasoning for this.

All you hear is the whining from a small percentage of everyone on the call and this proves my point as I stated to DavidE in the time machine switch thread. You take what you see and think that is the whole situation - this is what most every else does as well and it doesn't do them any justice.

If it was posted that it was a health call, plenty of people would have posted that it is the same as what Peter put in his newsletter. Then people would have been going to the company site ahead of time, people will start posting ridiculous things like it is "one of those kind of products" or whatever and that would have stopped MANY people from ever learning the facts about it. You can dispute this if you want but you would be far from honest or realistic. I simply prevented uneducated posts that will taint other people's minds about the matter from being posted before the call happened.

I'm not making excuses for them, just pointing out, as an independent observer - areas which were executed badly (which we've covered, so there no point in going over old ground).

[Savvypro]

Just because you think Robert Collier is the horse's mouth - that only means it is the horse's mouth to you.

If you actually read my post it says (I've highlighted the bit you seem to have missed out):

Robert Collier is one of the horses mouths

There is Elmer Wheeler and plenty of others and many schools of thoughts that work. Gary Halbert is THE undisputed king of sales copy and earned more per letter than anyone else alive during his time (he died a few years ago) in the copyrighted industry and that includes Jay Abraham and plenty of others.

You bring up Gary Halbert and Jay Abraham - guess who's book they recommend to people when learning how to write copy. I'll give you a clue: Robert Collier

My banner isn't from Gary Halbert, but just pointing out that Robert Collier is not the only game in town.

You assumed that I said he was - see above...

You tell me all this apparently coming from experience, but what I want to know is, what kind of success do you have in network marketing at this very moment?

You say you had success and some failure - we all have, but what is your best success? I'm not asking for $ amount, what is the size of your biggest network that you personally built in network marketing and what company was it?

Since you seem to know the best way to do things, I'm sure you'll have some impressive results.

[Aaron]

preventing uneducated gossip

When you use a question especially an open ended question, you always make sure that the answer is going to be the answer you want - otherwise you get the situation that took place.

The situation you see is a very small minority of people that don't want to take responsibility for buying into their own assumptions - sorry but I'm not into buying excuses and reasoning for this.

All you hear is the whining from a small percentage of everyone on the call and this proves my point as I stated to DavidE in the time machine switch thread. You take what you see and think that is the whole situation - this is what most every else does as well and it doesn't do them any justice.

If it was posted that it was a health call, plenty of people would have posted that it is the same as what Peter put in his newsletter. Then people would have been going to the company site ahead of time, people will start posting ridiculous things like it is "one of those kind of products" or whatever and that would have stopped MANY people from ever learning the facts about it. You can dispute this if you want but you would be far from honest or realistic. I simply prevented uneducated posts that will taint other people's minds about the matter from being posted before the call happened.

[Aaron]

@Savvypro

Seriously, not even the letter book. When it comes to marketing and advertising - Robert Collier is one of the horses mouths (as it were) to learn from.



That is the problem, especially when you use this marketing technique. You know that people will make assumptions. Therefor you either use disqualifiers to state what it isn't, while still leaving a bit of mystery or qualifiers - but then you give the game away. This is basic sales letter writing technique. When you use a question especially an open ended question, you always make sure that the answer is going to be the answer you want - otherwise you get the situation that took place.



Only tool = hammer
All problems = nails

Just because you think Robert Collier is the horse's mouth - that only means it is the horse's mouth to you. There is Elmer Wheeler and plenty of others and many schools of thoughts that work. Gary Halbert is THE undisputed king of sales copy and earned more per letter than anyone else alive during his time (he died a few years ago) in the copyrighted industry and that includes Jay Abraham and plenty of others.

My banner isn't from Gary Halbert, but just pointing out that Robert Collier is not the only game in town.

You tell me all this apparently coming from experience, but what I want to know is, what kind of success do you have in network marketing at this very moment?

You say you had success and some failure - we all have, but what is your best success? I'm not asking for $ amount, what is the size of your biggest network that you personally built in network marketing and what company was it?

Since you seem to know the best way to do things, I'm sure you'll have some impressive results.

[elias]

I agree with you Aaron, that we cannot eliminate money without eliminating poverty consciousness, very true. Thank you for sharing your life story, it is inspiring.

[Savvypro]

I'll look into Robert Collier - never read anything by him.

Seriously, not even the letter book. When it comes to marketing and advertising - Robert Collier is one of the horses mouths (as it were) to learn from.

I'll read from people by every religion because they all have something to offer and are usually saying the same things that others from other religions are saying anyway.

Most of these principles are in the common Bible as well so not really anything new - just in a spiritual context.

BELOW IS A GENERAL POST TO NOBODY IN PARTICULAR

On that train of thought - Genesis perfectly explains why some people made up in their own mind what the call was about and disappointed themselves even though I never gave any qualifiers of what it was about. But I was blamed for deceiving them instead of them taking responsibility for themselves who took it upon themselves to make up in their own mind what it was supposed to be about. Their disappointments were 100% from their own expectations. That autopilot reasoning mechanism in the mind is on runaway mode and that is the root of all problems in this world. Until people learn to become the master of it instead of a slave, the suffering in this world will continue until the end of time.

Adam is the conscious thinker (not autopilot reasoner) - Eve (soul of man) is tempted by the serpent (carnal reasoning mind) to eat the apple (judge something based on our own reasoning that is drawn from our language definitions and perceptions) - taking something out of its originality. That's why the serpent is the GREAT DECEIVER. It is between everyone's ears and we are convinced that that the automatic voice in our head is us. Greatest trick ever pulled so I hear lol

Something is just what it is, period. And when we use reasoning to judge it and give meaning to it, we are simply lying to ourselves and creating an illusion that we believe as reality. That is how "satan" has dominion over this world. 100% of the human species are literally delusional to varying degrees and it kicks in about 5 years old when we decide that the illusionary identity we create for ourselves based on the name we're given and the personality we develop is who we really are - instead of the innate self that was there from the beginning - that is our original self unadulterated. We're living in a made up holodeck of deception and most of us don't even know it.

What were free energy researchers dancing around the edges of?

That is the only thing I said.

That is the problem, especially when you use this marketing technique. You know that people will make assumptions. Therefor you either use disqualifiers to state what it isn't, while still leaving a bit of mystery or qualifiers - but then you give the game away. This is basic sales letter writing technique. When you use a question especially an open ended question, you always make sure that the answer is going to be the answer you want - otherwise you get the situation that took place.

People can't even take responsibility for themselves that THEY created as a figment of their own imagination what the call was about. They blame others for deceiving themselves. Whether or not money is part of the issue or not, having to contend with the snake between the ears is something that isn't going away - anytime soon. When people can see things as they are without deluding themselves and causing their own suffering, we'll probably be welcome amongst the rest of the universe and I believe there are others patiently waiting for us to pop our heads out of you know where.

Someone emailed me today tell me that I deceived him because HE is the one that thought the call was about battery charging. I said from the beginning that the battery secret was NOT the subject of the call, it was going to be a free bonus as a thank you for being on the call.

Someone else said it was supposed to be about hydrogen production - well, it actually is a part of it, but the hydrogen production increase is a mention in the battery secret, which they got as promised.

Someone else thought it was about a self running motor - I have no idea what is going through this person's mind - I didn't reply because I'm at a loss for words on that one.

Only tool = hammer
All problems = nails

An overwhelming majority of the responses I got was very positive in both pm's to me and emails as well as people all over North America that were on the call that joined as customers or joined the business because it simply made sense to them.

I am still responding to phone calls and emails AND there are still people signing up on the list even though the call is over.

[nilrehob]

The one that has some wires crossing and looked like a Swastika. Go ahead and repost in the time machine thread if you find it.

I believe you followed the Benitez ideas to come up with that - maybe not, but the school of thought is the same I believe.

OK, ill look it up, cool!

/Hob

[Aaron]

ok

I have a question regarding all this (the company in question) seeing as I'm in the UK and can't do it the usual way. It's nearly 6am now though so I'll send you a PM tomorrow.

Good night, or good morning everyone

Ok, looking forward to it.