* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Peter Lindemann]

The Simple Solution

Hi Savvypro,

Just a quick "heads-up" for you on the idea of making it yourself. The people who developed this product spent over $50M and 16 years to figure it out. The company has decided to manufacturing it themselves because it is easy to work on a batch for three days and still end up with nothing but salt water. To say that this product "lives in a very narrow window" is an understatement. So, do whatever you want and have a go at making it yourself. But I will tell you plainly. The probability of you turning salt water into a solution of 16 balanced redox molecules, even unstabilized, is vanishingly low, regardless of how much you think is revealed in the patents.

I assume that your line of logic for trying to make it yourself is to get the price down. Actually, the EASIEST way to get the product for free is to simply sign up for the Network Opportunity and find 5 people who just want the product for its benefits. If you do that, your product is paid for, AND you have access to the REAL STUFF without setting up a chemistry lab or running any experiments at all.

I am not trying to "sell you". You can do what you want. But I am trying to inform you that this company has already made it possible for anyone to get the product for free. Considering how much time and money it cost to develop this product in the first place, I think trying to make it yourself is not the way to get the price down, but really, the high cost road to NOT getting any at all!

That is just my personal opinion.

Peter

[WeThePeople]

Look, I don't care what your income was before this,
$80~ a liter for water is a step up anyone would make.

Thats a friggin no-brainer...

Second, this stuff seems real and actually provides benifit.

So that outweights almost all endeavers previous.

But plainly,
has utilizing the benifits of this product's exposure
(water / post-processing)
via any of the Rife followers like Sky David's device
currently available to test against a test sample ?

You may find that this product is only half way there sir.

In fact, I project that I am correct.

Produce=yes, stabalize=yes, interactive=currently no.

It should be made responsive to the person next.

I suspect this is a stigmata water until released
utilizing above methods on making it universally healthy.

I meant the last part very politely,
please consider this without knee-jerk.

I was pissed at the fact that I expected an energy solution,
a solution that was preposed by many people in the forum,
and that you DID NOT correct making you guilty of a lie,
by ommision.

I'm past that now,
I just won't trust you.

You chose to not condemm me for my comments,
so I think we are even on this so far (I hope).

But this has to many positives now
to not contribute towards this outcome.

Water cannot exist,
it just cannot exist.

If you understand this statement truely,
then you also realize how much we don't know.

the water may contain a fair balance of stabilized species,
but the ATP command structure is not present to aclimate to the person.

I spell like crap, always will,
I'm missing the entire right side of my brain from and injury,
so you can pick on my if you want.

I'm not saying the injury is why I spell bad,
seems "odd" smart people do (Do the research)

But I am THE EXACT person that is looking
for this solution correctly balanced for consumption.

Hope I've been more polite,
and to the point this time.

And to Peter,
The short term benifits are a deal-maker,
your not ancient, so I hope to live long enough to see
the long term effects of this product on you.

I cannot possibly afford $80 a liter
as a SSI-Disabled income person.

Thats just insane...

[Neight]

Come on, this is only a simple prayer ... I needed to help myself lift my vibration, so I posted it. Sometimes we fall into the trap of criticizing each other, and prayer is a useful tool to help us let it go. I shared it publicly to amplify its effect.

You hit two keywords that I happen to have a lot of belief in, simple and prayer! And the fact that you shared it publicly is also amazing to me, a lot of people are not willing to share that side of themselves in public. perhaps I was a bit over the top in my response, but you earned a lot of respect in my eyes for sharing a prayer like that with the forum. It is thinking exactly like that that we need to move forward. more spiritual and less carnal.
as I said to patrick, I was simply trying to be uplifting and supportive myself
thanks for sharing

N8

[Savvypro]

Redox Forum

I am treating it like the RomeroUK replication and ever other device I have come across. If I can get first hand experience I spend the money on the hardware test the design and evaluate it for my self. I then write it up on a forum.
Why should this be any different?
I have a few aches and pains. I also am a runner and bike rider I know my limit and endurances. I have a good yard stick to test this against. I also do a lot of computer programming. So I will test my cognitive skills. There is this algorithm I have wanted to write for a while. So this stuff should help.
I will present a full repot when I am done.
What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems.
The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem not that it will fail is that it will be better than expected.

[Peter Lindemann]

Better than advertised

Redox Forum

What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems. The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem, not that it will fail, but that it will be better than expected.

Dear Toranarod,

I see you feel free to share your fears, so I would like to address them. From my experience, the product actually IS better than they can claim. On top of that, the US Government and the FDA know all about it! The company is in regular contact with people at FDA. The fact is, this product does not currently fall into ANY CATEGORY of substance that the FDA regulates. It is not a food. It is not a drug. It is not a nutraceutical. In fact, it is the first edible substance ever created that is listed as being "native to the body". It is the very first substance ever proven in laboratory tests to have 0% toxicity. That means it is safer to drink than fresh water!

Please don't be afraid that this product is real and that something extraordinarily good is happening in the world to make it available to you. Just take advantage of it. Perhaps all of your fears WON'T come true. You don't know the future. It's not written yet!

Let me give you an example from my own life. Back in the mid-1990s, I was one of the first people to start making Colloidal Silver Machines so people could make Colloidal Silver for themselves. I was afraid that the FDA would shut me down, so I didn't advertise or try to produce a high profile. Because of my fear, three things happened. 1) I never made very much money, 2) all of my competitors stole all of my innovative design features, and 3) since the FDA never did shut down the industry, I lost a golden opportunity to help more people and make a decent living. In the end, the FDA didn't need to shut me down, because my own fear shut me down.

I vowed I would never do that to myself again. With this product, I have every confidence that it will remain available indefinitely into the future and spread to every corner of the globe to produce the highest possible benefit for everyone.

Peter

[elias]

Aaron, just as a synchronicity for me in all of this that I did not mention is the beautiful hexagons, in the front page of your product. I was chasing after them everywhere. Seems to me that they are the building blocks of life and existence as whole:

[toranarod]

What if it works

Redox Forum

I am treating it like the RomeroUK replication and ever other device I have come across. If I can get first hand experience I spend the money on the hardware test the design and evaluate it for my self. I then write it up on a forum.
Why should this be any different?
I have a few aches and pains. I also am a runner and bike rider I know my limit and endurances. I have a good yard stick to test this against. I also do a lot of computer programming. So I will test my cognitive skills. There is this algorithm I have wanted to write for a while. So this stuff should help.
I will present a full repot when I am done.
What scares me more than I have just wasted my money? Is that it will work?
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy. I will not want to go backwards. And when the governments find out and want to stop us from having Redox.then what? They will stop it you guys know this from the FE problems.
The corporations will feel threatened.
This is the problem not that it will fail is that it will be better than expected.

[elias]

Incredible! If even a small portion of people follow your example, we will be well on our way to making the changes we all know need to happen!
bless you elias, you are truly one of the saints the future generations should remember!

N8

Come on, this is only a simple prayer ... I needed to help myself lift my vibration, so I posted it. Sometimes we fall into the trap of criticizing each other, and prayer is a useful tool to help us let it go. I shared it publicly to amplify its effect.

[Savvypro]

@Aaron

So what are the patent numbers behind the product?

This happens to synergize with algae for the brain and in my opinion and experience, makes PATHS more effective - that is very exciting for me.

Which algae are you referring to (afa?). As it's on my list of algae to grow just need to get a viable sample.

[Aaron]

@Patrick

Minoly, send you pm.

[Aaron]

@Minoly

Minoly / Patrick - the numbers game will always apply even if it is not intended. When I buy qualified leads and call to make appts - I am strictly playing the numbers game. With Energetic Forum, I was bragging to the top of the company that the members here are so intelligent that the implications and value of this product will be almost common sense to them - especially when they do their research and especially if they see the patent/apps, which they don't want passed around. Everyone has to find it on their own. Anyway, with the members here, the numbers game was the last thing on my mind. I just wanted everyone to see what I saw.

When I saw the pat app, it took me 5 seconds to decide I have a new full time mission. I saw the geometry of the electrodes, other parameters, magnetic fields, etc... and my jaw hit the floor. AND, this is actually something that I can get my hands on??????? It was just common sense from my perspective. That in itself it a miracle!

Anyway, even though there is a 1 case guarantee, I'd hope you use it for at least 3 months because the benefits build.

My results were not miraculous like some people's because I'm in really good health. But my skin is softer, hair and nails growing way faster and they already grew fast, I recently sliced my hand cleaning out a pump on a front loading Bosch washer - was 1 inch long and 1/8 inch deep - lost about 4 tablespoons of blood - within 20-30 minutes, it was already closed up and all the bleeding stopped, I have some benign growth on the side of my leg - had it for the last 15 years or so, it has flattened, lightened and shrank in diameter. I spray it in my eyes and my floaters are disappearing (getting more transparent), about a month ago I got by on 9 hours of sleep over a 60 hour period - was honestly tired but NEVER got the sleep deprivation tired, which is a totally different kind of tired. My sleep is deeper and dreams more vivid and mental function is getting sharper and faster - didn't think I had a problem but everything is getting enhanced.

I have an acquaintance that has her life threatened by something. Something is in high counts in her body. 3 weeks later, it reduced by 25% as the blood test shows and her MD proclaimed it a miracle. This is the ONLY thing she was using. It didn't do it, it got the body to do it

My friend in the advertising industry that works trade shows a lot has to take 4-5 Alieves (spelling) per day (only supposed to take up to 2 from my understanding) because of the sciatica pain and being on her feet all day and walking a few miles on the hard floors. She was taking this for less than 2 weeks, went to a show and took ZERO Alieve - had no pain and woke up without any soreness. Her husband almost cried on the phone when she told him because he knew how significant that was for her!

A friend here in town had suffered from a chronic debilitating problem for the last 3 years - had to struggle to get out of bed from the chronic discomfort and nothing else helped, chelation, etc... you name it - short term relief but nothing lasted. Less than a month, all discomfort gone and he can get out of bed energized. His whole life turned around in a short period of time and he is like a different person.

A 49 year old woman that needed a medical procedure after birth wound up with serious problems. Couldn't bathe or feed herself and never spoke in a full sentence in her entire life. Couple months after taking this, she can do all the above for the first time ever.

I could fill a library with the things people are experiencing. You heard Chris on the phone call - Gulf War Syndrome is completely gone and his open sore on his face closed and scabbed up in something like 10 days flat after spraying this on it topically. I met him about 10 days ago. Nobody can look in his eyes and deny what is happening.

This is not possible with all the dietary supplements available from health food stores, etc... I know, I owned one and sold thousands of supplements. And I worked with many doctors and other practitioners for years and never saw results this fast. I saw some incredible things but nothing like this.

When witnessing these things with my own eyes and especially having personal friends and family members get these results in short times with one single product, I'm going to let people know about it.

When looking at the patent app, anyone with common sense can see why I stated what I stated in the banner. I'm not saying that to you Patrick - that is to those that took it upon themselves to believe I said it was about battery charging, self running motors or hydrogen production.

It is funny actually - those that were into battery charging were convinced I told them it was about battery charging - those into hydrogen production were convinced I said the call was going to be about hydrogen production, etc...

Through the eyes of a carpenter, the whole world is a nail.

Everyone that was deceived took it upon themselves to deceive themselves.

[Aaron]

topic of call

To everyone here - I'm am the only one responsible for organizing this call
and promoting it the way it was. Peter had nothing to do with it. I asked
Peter to share his story about his results and why he is getting involved
with the product and he did that.

For final clarification:

Time machine switch - I was so excited about this I felt like giving that away in the beginning because I didn't have any more time to devote to it and wanted to work with the health product full time. I realized it is too far removed from electrolysis that I decided not to include it and stated it in no uncertain terms in the time machine switch thread that I will not be sharing it.

Battery Secret - I said I would provide this, I did end of story. And yes, it is a real industry insider secret that is not intended for consumers!

Increased Hydrogen Production - on some sites, I stated people would learn about 10x hydrogen production by getting to the special event - and they DID. It is in the battery secret chapter. Whether it is the topic of the call or not is irrelevant - I provided what I said people would get. Anyone that has a problem with not seeing this to be of value needs to stop experimenting with hydrogen and start cross stitching or collecting beanie babies.

Peter's Announcement about free energy - that was posted on some sites and it is true - he announced he is quitting free energy - it is about him, and it is about his free energy work - he is giving it up for now because this is too important.

I'm doing the same thing. Actually, we have a couple digital products that were almost done before this came along and we will release those to get them off our plate but we're not actively looking to explore much else in the energy realm at the moment. And I have a couple products that I'm helping some friends with so they can get their feet wet with digital publishing - I have to follow thru with those since I gave my word to help them before this came along.

I'll always be involved with PATHS, supporting affiliates and customers and affiliates and customers for the digital products. This happens to synergize with algae for the brain and in my opinion and experience, makes PATHS more effective - that is very exciting for me.

[Neight]

nice patrick
I was more or less just trying to be uplifting, sort of help calm things down a bit, give folks some common ground so to speak

I agree though, and actually expected that outcome no matter what the call actually wound up being about. It was pretty clear to me from the outset that they wanted us to buy something, I just guessed wrong as to what that something might be. I wouldn't call it manipulation exactly, though it was clearly marketing (which is nearly the same thing as manipulation, but I'm going to leave that one lay.... )
either way, you are quite correct, and I am sure both Aaron and Peter were prepared for this, as you can never please everyone. At least in this case, the verdict will be very public, and if it can do what they say, we will know it fairly soon.

N8

[minoly]

[Neight]

Well said. I was making a blanket statement. You are right
the world need people like you who can see.

Best Regards

Thank you for the kind words!
please don't take me wrong, nothing I have said today is meant to criticize anyone, or anything said on this subject. I agree wholeheartedly with you and elias. the system is broken, and desperately needs a change! I was simply trying to use some of the statements that have been made to show how we can utilize a compromise right now between where we would like to be and where we are now.
I can see the path to where we want to go, but in the meantime we should take advantage of the system as it is setup to find our way there!
make no mistake, the other side will use any and all resources they have at their command to shut us down any chance they get. and they have considerably more resources than anyone on this forum. I am mostly pointing out the need for all of us to form a cohesive group, and stay strong together to get where we can see we need to go! We can win this battle, and I have no doubt that the universe at large will support us in this, as the universe strives for the same balance we do! if we allow ourselves to become complacent, we will only end up as more victims.
We have something on our side though that is a very powerful weapon! we have the truth! this truth has been suppressed for far too long. it is making it's way to the surface, but there is still much work to be done.
it will take faith and teamwork, but we can and will change the world for the better, I have no doubt about this!
thanks for your kind response, and I very much look forward to the posts you have yet to make! your work is inspiring, and I am learning as fast as I can to be able to catch up and maybe contribute in some useful way.
for right now, I have my ideals and my words, but I am learning, and look forward to the day when i can do more than just read, and can help the tech progress!
thanks

N8