* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[peacepenguin]

[Aaron]

link

Missed up that call lol
is there any hope for the Bat-Secret anyway ?
thanks anyway

pm me for the link

[Aaron]

company does not compete with affiliates

Do I feel duped? Maybe,
Was this call worth my time? Definately
Will I try this product? I think so.
Will I purchase from Aaron or one of his marketing associates? No
Why would I when I can go directly to the parent company and buy retail.
Why would I aggree to associate with a product whose parent company would be competing against me for retail sales.
Would you be so kind as to respond Aaron, no disrespect intended, just curious.

Simple answer - the company does not compete with affiliates and requires you to submit an affiliate name or distributor id in order to place an order or join. I have never seen a company in this industry with higher integrity.

On the business side of things - anyone on my team gets benefits of private training that is unavailable to other distributor groups.

[Aaron]

info

I used that method exactly. But if they are a Skype user, like I said they haven't accepted my contact request so they're not really on my list, so I had to call the "mobile" number, which from here is international rate. Which isn't too bad anyway because I bought the skype credits before I heard that it was supposed to be free and I have no other (planned) use for it, so that's ok. First time for me to use skype this way too so learned something there.

The battery secret sounds interesting. I have some of the material mentioned that I swiped from chemistry class in school many years ago I was planning on testing with the HHO cell, so this is good information to have before starting that whole process.

There is a certain energy to the live conference I thought, it's a bit more exciting than just listening to a recording. Maybe it was a good marketing strategy because I suspect that method would get more people enthusiastic, but I won't comment on that either way. People need money and all that nonsense somehow in the meantime, so that's up to them. If they are providing good information then I would rather them be free to research than working 9-5. The only "negative" thing I thought about all this was that it wasn't completely different from the presentation released a few weeks ago, when I was expecting new(er) information.

Anyway, looking forward to what's coming in the future. Thanks for sharing the info in the pdf

Thanks.

I'll have to play with that skype method myself but some people used it successfully.

The battery secret is one of the battery industry's best kept secrets - literally.

One thing many people may have missed is if they due their due diligence on the topic of the call last night, patents or apps, if they are able to make the connections, some of that knowledge is important in fuel research.

[Aaron]

inffo

I used that method exactly. But if they are a Skype user, like I said they haven't accepted my contact request so they're not really on my list, so I had to call the "mobile" number, which from here is international rate. Which isn't too bad anyway because I bought the skype credits before I heard that it was supposed to be free and I have no other (planned) use for it, so that's ok. First time for me to use skype this way too so learned something there.

The battery secret sounds interesting. I have some of the material mentioned that I swiped from chemistry class in school many years ago I was planning on testing with the HHO cell, so this is good information to have before starting that whole process.

There is a certain energy to the live conference I thought, it's a bit more exciting than just listening to a recording. Maybe it was a good marketing strategy because I suspect that method would get more people enthusiastic, but I won't comment on that either way. People need money and all that nonsense somehow in the meantime, so that's up to them. If they are providing good information then I would rather them be free to research than working 9-5. The only "negative" thing I thought about all this was that it wasn't completely different from the presentation released a few weeks ago, when I was expecting new(er) information.

Anyway, looking forward to what's coming in the future. Thanks for sharing the info in the pdf

Thanks.

I'll have to play with that skype method myself but some people used it successfully.

The battery secret is one of the battery industry's best kept secrets - literally.

One thing many people may have missed is if they due their due diligence on the topic of the call last night, patents or apps, if they are able to make the connections, some of that knowledge is important in fuel research.

[Aaron]

details

why do you need my SSN? and is there a better discount for people who keep buying product. what about a money back guarantee? and is there some sort of reassurance or security with our investments?

Everything is secure with the company. If you are joining the business in
the US, it is required because they send a 1099 at the end of the year
and have to report your earnings to the IRS. Every company has to do
that.

Being on autoship as a distributor qualifies your distributorship for the comp plan.

There is a 100% money back guarantee for 1 case. Empty bottle guarantee even! Unhappy after using 1 case, call the company for a refund (minus shipping).

[Mark]

Hi Aaron

I sent you a pm with some questions I have. I hope you will have the time soon to respond. I am doing some research on my own but am having problems getting all my questions answered.

I can understand why some people maybe a little upset because they were expecting something different. But why waste your energy on being upset? If this product is half as good as it sounds it could help so many people. Most people have no idea how important good health is until its gone. I am excited about this product and will be very thankful if I'm able to get the same results as those who spoke on the conference call and I will be more than happy to report on any improvements I see in my health.

Thanks again Aaron and I look forward to your response to my PM.

[citfta]

What did you expect?

I also listened to the call. I don't know how so many people got confused about what to expect. I think Aaron made it clear he was not going to let us know what the subject matter was going to be about. He did offer a nice incentive if we would take the time to listen to the call. I did not have any idea what the call would be about so I listened to it to get the bonus info at the end. He delivered exactly what he said he would. Several years ago my wife and I signed up for some "free" vacations. You had to furnish your own transportation to and from the vacation site. We got to spend 2 or 3 days in a nice home in the mountains or on a lakefront site. We went to these knowing that at some time during our stay we would have to spend and hour or two listening to a salesman trying to sell us a lot we couldn't afford. We got to enjoy a nice vacation for very little cost and all we had to do was spend some time listening to a sales pitch. What Aaron has done is essentially the same thing. No one was forced to call in and listen. If they wanted the free bonus then they were expected to listen to the sales pitch. I also learned about a product that I was totally unaware of. I think the product is a little too high priced for most of us, but if it really does what is claimed then it is probably worth it. If Aaron offers another call like this with a different product and a bonus at the end I will probably do it again.

Carroll

[Aaron]

@savvypro

Sitting where I am, I have a bird's eye view of what the results actually are
and I am constantly breaking records out of 28,000 people affiliated with
the company. Documentation speaks for itself.

I do appreciate your analysis but there is a reason for everything. There
were many people on the call that were not members of this forum.
Triathlete groups, meditation groups, etc...

I'm not giving out any more secrets. People are too attached to their own
expectations. Obviously everyone sees things differently. My perspective
is that if I wanted the battery secret, I would have done what it took to
get it and would have been completely unattached to anything in the call.

Obviously some of us feel this was important enough to share with as many
people as fast as possible and I'll do another call for this particular product
for the members of Energetic Forum in the future - and other call topics,
etc... knowing what we know about this product and what it actually is
doing, I have nothing to apologize about.

Some people like Telsaproject has his panties in a bunch so tight he can't
see straight from the anger. It has nothing to do with any form of
marketing or the product. It is about some chip on his shoulder where
he has probably failed in every business venture he ever tried - and
therefore anything offering an opportunity is bad - while he probably works
for a corporation that is a real pyramid plan. It is sad but true, most people
simply have no idea what the reality is although they play into it on a
daily basis. That applies to everyone that has a problem with network
marketing for example, while they have no problem going to a store and
spending money for a product, while multiple people all the way to the
manufacturer are making money on it.

The posts I deleted mention the company name, etc... that is because
if people are going to learn about it, they need to see or hear a
real presentation in the right order and be pointed to my book afterward.
Otherwise, they're not going to know what is going on and will come to
an unintelligent conclusion of it based on a haphazard way of searching
it out themselves.

I don't know what you mean by the communication failing. Please send
me samples of your perfect presentation so I can learn from them. I'll
be waiting.

[Neight]

One one hand, you view of what a pharmaceutical company would do is
unrealistic. They are profitable when people are sick and need their product
over and over. Reversing age related problems is the LAST thing they want
to do.

On the other hand, a pharmaceutical company DID try to buy this out and
were turned down. They were going to go the FDA route for ONE single
application and would have wound up costing thousands of dollars to use
while milking the insurance companies. In my opinion, their real agenda
would be to shelve it.

I have to agree here. The last 9 years of my life were spent doing nothing but taking care of my father who was sick with ALS and Lyme disease. If you have any experience with either of these diseases, you know that the pharmaceutical companies make no attempt to cure anything at all. They live off of the sick staying sick and buying their symptom control products. While my dad lost his fight this past March, my family did endless research into alternative medicine (I nearly became a natural medicine practitioner in the process). The medical community has no interest in curing disease, and they go out of their way to silence products that do have REAL benefits.
the medical field is honestly not any different from the energy field (in many many ways). if something works, the guys in suits come around to try and stop it. this is why the government wants to make it so you have to have a prescription to take supplements....
The medical community would just as soon silence this kind of product, because if it does work as advertised, that is money out of their pockets. Never assume that a company has your best interests at heart. the larger the profit margin is of a company, the more likely they are to cut your throat than help you, if it means more money for them.

[Aaron]

links

Hi AAron,

Sorry I missed you at the convention, was hoping to meet you. I did get to spend some time with per however, we had a lot of work getting ready with Rick. had to miss the call last night, is there a link to the Recording and the book I am interested in your results, as I have had other people tell me that the product works.
Tom C

Hi Tom,

It was kind of chaotic bouncing around the conference. Please PM me, I'll give you the direct links.

[Aaron]

based on experience

I have to agree. I wouldn't be surprised if you get an opposite reaction from what you're expecting.
Why all this secrecy and getting people to get signed up?

If this product really is so good it will speak for itself, the more you shout about it the more you loose credibility.

Mario,

It doesn't sound like you're speaking from experience with a successful
marketing background.

I do what I do based on what works from my personal successful experience.

[Aaron]

pharma

Sounds unbelievable, the fountain of youth.

though, will wait until other drug companies bring it out, they certainly will if the claims are true.
if in the next 5 years there are no break through s, then the claims made probably were false,
a literal age reversal drug would be number 1 on every pharmaceutical companies list.

One one hand, you view of what a pharmaceutical company would do is
unrealistic. They are profitable when people are sick and need their product
over and over. Reversing age related problems is the LAST thing they want
to do.

On the other hand, a pharmaceutical company DID try to buy this out and
were turned down. They were going to go the FDA route for ONE single
application and would have wound up costing thousands of dollars to use
while milking the insurance companies. In my opinion, their real agenda
would be to shelve it.

[arthujt]

why the cry?

I have observed many of the group members that participated in the "event" last night and seem to hear a common complaint of "we showed up, and got nuthin but this battery fix" or "we were decieved". You guys actually got more than you think you got. If you use the same concepts to produce this water in our cell processes, you may see a radical increase in the output of your cells. (watercells) . Using (fe)hydrogenases will produce enough hydrogen to fill the main tank of the shuttle. I refer to this link:
Hydrogenase
This process is used to manufacture the redox water: (m)hydrogenases

These are both hydrogenases used in nature as triggers for the use of the call for anti-oxidants in the human body, and other defense mechanisms.
These cause the redox reactions that produce h2o in our bodies.
the fehydro is particularlly interesting due to its ability to produce hydrogen in a finite way being very controllable to produce a cheap method for production from water. You may want to discuss the methods used for the "miracle"water as a method to pursue towards alternative energy production. Artinvegas

[Neight]

I find it interesting that there seem to be several people who are angry about the call last night...
I have to admit, I was disappointed, I was also expecting something about radiant energy to be discussed. what few clues we were given did seem to point that direction.
However, to be upset that the call was to deliver a sales pitch for a new product....
I have to say, If you called in last night, and didn't expect someone to try and sell you something, you really were not paying attention at all.
The information given did end up being interesting, and it does sound like a useful product.
And Aaron did live up to everything he said he would do personally. There is also talk of future calls, on a wide range of topics.
I see no reason to be angry. A lot of us (myself included) allowed themselves to make a few assumption. There is a wide range of topics discussed on this forum as a whole. The reason this call was discussed so much more here on the renewable energy sub-forum is because this is where the highest concentration of viewers go.
No one lied to any of us, nor were we promised something that we were not given.
personally, I am looking forward to more calls in the future. I fully expect people to be selling something on every single one of them also. There is a lot of work that goes into setting something like that up, and for many people this is a business. But you can't throw out the baby with the bath water. if there is a chance that you could learn something new, why not take some time to listen? not every call will be useful to everyone, but why get angry about it?
I see people complaining a lot about the products sold on this forum. But you have to remember, no one is asking us to pay to be members. there are a lot of things being passed around freely here, and no one is forced to view any ads nor are we interrupted from our discussions to hear a sales pitch. those things are voluntary here. While many of us here do not agree, this is still a business, and the people who provide this place for us to come together, are trying to make a living. It's not like there is a lack of ads on any of the other forums...
I hope the negative attitudes of a few people do not ruin the possibility of future calls. some of the topics being discussed as possibilities for the upcoming calls do sound very interesting, and I hope to be there when they happen. even if someone is asking me to buy something, I don't have to if I don't want to and the opportunity to learn something is still more than worth listening to a sales pitch.
that is my 2 cents, take it or leave it, but it bothers me that some people are complaining about hearing a sales pitch. the express purpose was to sell something, and at least that much should have been expected ahead of time.

N8

Also, to all of you who were on the call early, it was pretty cool to sit and talk "shop" with you guys. I was there, though when things started to get busy, I muted my phone. Nice to hear some voices, and a few names from the discussions on here! using skype may be a good way for some of us to work together in the future! actually talk to each other in real time! something to consider...