* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

not having money, why

Yes I took what you said a bit out of context, what I said wasn't a direct response but a mini rant at the system based on where the conversation was going. I don't like it when money issues come up and have to hold my tongue because, well let's just say that I agree that money is the most renewable resource, and yet most people don't seem to have any of it.

Most people don't have any because most people never were taught how to have more. Most people are whipped and beaten into submission so they are content living paycheck to paycheck and are too tired to do anything about it. That was me for most of my life because I didn't know any better.

Below isn't directed to you, it is just my story...

I grew up not just financially broke but mentally broke too - which are inseparable. My dad was enlisted in the Air Force for 20 years - that is not much income. My mom had to work part time jobs when I was younger. I always heard "money doesn't grow on trees", "we can't afford that", etc... Basically a broke poverty consciousness just like what most of the population has. Until I was 29, 11 years ago, I never even made $10,000 in one year. I was getting paid $1000 per month salary (while helping one company make $700,000 in the first 9 months) and was supposed to have 5% of the shares in the company as a director on the board - NOT - doctor was a crook. I helped them make a fortune while I got peanuts.

Anyway, about 3-4 years prior I was turned onto to some someone that set me straight. I knew what he taught intellectually but it took a while before I internalized it wasn't until about 2004 until I actually became who I needed to be in order to finally get past my self destructive thinking that always kept me broke.

Most people that don't have a lot of money have parents that never had money and their parents didn't have money. And they took most of their financial advice from their parents, etc... so basically broke people teaching their kids how to be broke. Until I knew different, the only financial advice I got was from my parents and they certainly were not qualified to teach me anything. This is like getting marriage advice from someone that has been divorced 5 times. As crazy as this is, this is exactly where almost everyone gets their financial skills from.

Success breeds success and poverty breeds poverty. This is just the facts of life.

Bottom line, it is how we think and perceive the world around us. That is what gives us the results we have. People can blame the economy, etc... because the economy I certainly took some hits, but my income has gone up every single year since I closed my store in Sep 2006. That is because I chose to take matters into my own hands and rely on myself.

Obviously many people do this and try to make a go at business and most fail - they simply haven't had the right training and there is an art and science to every business. Retail store business, network marketing, etc... they have to get a mentor that has the success so they can impart the facts on how to do it right. It isn't going to be learned in school, that's for sure.

If someone has been duped into working for a real pyramid scam (corporate America) and thinking that is how you get secure, well, after they lost most of their retirement because of all the crashes, etc... it seems obvious they should start something on the side and start building it. But unfortunately so many people are so conditioned to work from paycheck to paycheck, they're under a false sense of security. They know the paycheck is something they can count on and they go to the next company and next and next.

If a mailman is walking into someones yard to deliver the mail and they get attacked by the dog. How many times do they have to walk in there and get bit by that dog until they learn it isn't a smart thing to do? But that is what keeps happening in the job/corporate market to people on a daily basis and they choose to keep getting bit by the dog. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

Anyway, if I was starting from scratch and needed money, I would keep whatever job I had of course but I would start a business on the side. Whether it is the opportunity we present or something else, it is crazy not to. Even if it is just a structure setup and there isn't much profit - ebay biz or whatever, it is worth doing for the tax benefits alone. Just by having a legitimate business, the average family can save several thousand a year on taxes from legitimate write offs.

Anyone with money issues or otherwise, I'd recommend reading Think & Grow Rich - http://sellcasa.com/think-and-grow-rich.pdf

It is not a "get rich quick book" - it was a real study over 20 years by Napoleon Hill on why rich are rich and poor are poor. The difference is how they think, period. I know many people that discount this book and say, "I've read that" - but that doesn't mean anything unless they actually take it on and apply those principles as if their life depended on it. I did. Anyone that read it and doesn't have what they want out of life, I'd recommend stop reading it and start studying it with an obsessive passion and apply it. It is one of the most incredible mind power books ever written.

Synchronicity for me was that Napoleon Hill's inspiration was Charles F. Haanel who developed the Master Key System - found out he was a business partner with one of my great grandfathers.

And it isn't just about making money. Those are the EXACT principles to manifest anything we want in life. Relationships, etc... whatever. It is the definitive bible on how to get out of poverty consciousness. It should be required reading by every high school student in the world in my opinion.

That was one of the most influential books in my life as was The Power of the Subconscious Mind by Dr. Joseph Murphy.

Attitude is everything and we can't get ahead unless we fix our broke thinking. It is one of the most challenging things for people to do - it took me many years - I had a very slow learning curve with that one.

[Aaron]

making it yourself

Not so simple - you'll wind up making clorox bleach from electrolyzing salt water and will poison yourself. And you can't use just any old electrodes, you will contaminate yourself. With the chlorine atoms from sodium chloride, you can create countless poisonous chlorine derivatives. That cost many millions of dollars and 16 or something years to figure out how to do it right and others that are trying to replicate it are all failing. Also, you have to verify that you are actually creating the intended molecules. Out of those few atoms, they can be reassembled into countless different variations when you go past 2 atom molecules, to 3, to 4 to 5, etc... You are right about stabilization though - at first it was stabilized for only 5-15 minutes - not a practical product. It would have to be consumed right after making it. But again, there is hidden art in the patents as well that is not disclosed but there is enough there to see what is in it and the general process.

[Aaron]

molecules

Aaron, just as a synchronicity for me in all of this that I did not mention is the beautiful hexagons, in the front page of your product. I was chasing after them everywhere. Seems to me that they are the building blocks of life and existence as whole:

Yes, they're more fundamental that vitamins, aminos, minerals, etc...

[dR-Green]

The death of this forum as a free energy forum,
died the day another persuit was followed, period.

(Unless Aaron was never needed anyway...)

I don't understand. Did you choose to follow another pursuit?

Sorry, I'm playing dumb. What I mean to say is if you and everyone else continue to do what you have been doing all along then nothing is going to change any more or less than it would have anyway. No offence to Aaron or Peter but they're not the reason I use this forum and they, as users of this forum, are not my main source(s) of information and knowledge. So I don't see what your point is.

[Aaron]

running and biking

I also am a runner and bike rider I know my limit and endurances.

That is great - you will see endurance and repair and recovery in a way you have never experience. Triathlon runners that have been trying to achieve negative splits are suddenly accomplishing them in weeks. And almost fully recovered by the next day without hardly any soreness, etc...

I only recently learned what that meant - for non sports people - negative split = finishing the second half of the triathlon FASTER than the first half.

The difference between 1st and 50th in the Tour de France is a vo2max capacity difference of UNDER 2% according to Lance Armstrong. This has given a vo2max capacity increase of 3%! Completely unheard of.

[Aaron]

@savvypro

@Aaron

So what are the patent numbers behind the product?



Which algae are you referring to (afa?). As it's on my list of algae to grow just need to get a viable sample.

Both AFA or spirulina - but AFA is superior in almost every way. PEA is already fully assembled in it, more protein, etc... double the chlorophyll per weight, etc...

I'm pm'ing you.

[dR-Green]

You do both realize (Aaron/Peter) that by leaving energy research,
we basically dis-own the both of you as commerce-seeking betrayers,
right?

You both have knowledge from talking to people
and doing things yourselves over the years past.

but that becomes a waste wash after this event.

I may be the only one to say it, but that is true.

Peter has shared many videos and books and I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now, and I wouldn't know what I know about what Tesla was doing if it wasn't for him. A Tesla coil would simply be some novel light display to me like most of the "replications" on youtube. Whatever he does today can't undo what he has done, so I see no reason to complain. I was disappointed at hearing the news, but only because of what I could potentially lose out of what he may or may not choose to share. There are some things that, if you figure it out, you really shouldn't go telling someone who isn't capable of figuring it out, but would love to use it to his or her advantage either way, and cause a lot of destruction in the process. If criminals had to figure out how and actually make their own guns, there would be a lot less gun wielding criminals for us to deal with for example. But that is beside the point here. Unfortunately we all need SOME form of income to be able to work on projects and experiments, and that inevitably means having to spend some amount of time working on that part of the problem that could otherwise be spent experimenting. But Peter has also shared his intentions to get back into the energy field when he has built a good foundation. To me that's reasonable enough, and could work out even better in the longrun, if so far there hasn't been a good foundation but he has done what he's done, personally I'd be interested to see the results when there IS a good foundation.

Also I think it's unreasonable to do what you are doing. You may disown whoever you like and disagree with their choices, but I don't appreciate people who try to pressure others into conforming. Not that Peter or Aaron are going to change any of their choices based on what you said, but deliberately saying things with the intention of causing discomfort in the hope that it will influence (reverse) their decision because you don't happen to agree with it is exactly a part of what's wrong with humans and why the whole world is upside down. The inability to accept that someone somewhere might have a different opinion on about how to go about life in this infinite universe, so you must become enemies so to speak. So on that note, I must add that I mean no offence, it's just an observation. You may continue to do so at your own discretion, but no one speaks on my behalf when they say such things

Best of luck to Peter and Aaron I say

[WeThePeople]

***disclaimer**** Robert Colliers books have nothing to do with free energy!!! I am pretty sure his books were one of the main sources for 'The Secret'

Count me in (PM Link),
and I agree with you.

[Neight]

Although I find this interesting: The people who spend their lives working for money never seem to have any of it, but the people who simply store the workers' money and sit there and do nothing beyond, have more of it than all the workers combined. Time to wake up.

funny how that works, isn't it?
the reason for that is, the people who spend their entire lives working for money don't know the one fact that the folks who just sit and collect it know. Money is nothing more than an idea, and ideas are free to all, you can have as many of them as you like!
check out Robert Collier, he wrote a series of books back in the time of Tesla, and they are very interesting.
***disclaimer**** Robert Colliers books have nothing to do with free energy!!! I am pretty sure his books were one of the main sources for 'The Secret' and in my opinion were much better as well.
either way, while you have the ability and lack of responsibility right now, it sounds like the perfect time to set yourself up for success!
If you want a link to a website where you can read all of the series for free, PM me and I will get you the link that I have!

N8

[WeThePeople]

I'll go back and look,
but I was shown one single bottle for $80

Thank you for the correction.

I will research this error.

I suspect they show one bottle,
when they should not do that.



I still hate the find five people,
so you can leach for free crap.

Thats just wrong, can't you see that ?

[nilrehob]

Nilrehob had one diagram that is the closest that I saw anyone get but his was for a different purpose

I did?
Which one?

/Hob

[Peter Lindemann]

Real Price

I cannot possibly afford $80 a liter
as a SSI-Disabled income person.

Dear WE...,

I'm not sure how you calculated the price here, but 1 case of the product has four 32 ounce bottles, which is 128 ounces. The wholesale price is $120/case, plus shipping and tax. It arrives at my door for about $143 per case. So, that is about $36/liter. This is comparably priced with many of the "exotic juice" products, like Xango and others.

I have already explained to Savvypro how to get the product for free, so the price is optional, regardless of what it is.

You are welcome to exclude yourself from those who benefit from this product if you wish, but the price is similar to many other products on the market that do far less, and the requirements to get the product for free are the lowest I have ever seen.

Peter

[WeThePeople]

Hi Savvypro,
The people who developed this product
spent over $50M and 16 years to figure it out.

True, but like the 26-million dollar "drug"
(the cost of the first pill/caplet)
ability to produce sucessive administrations
cost almost under a friggin $1

So the question is:
while they be like aspirin and fix cost @ <$1,
or will they charge a division of the research
like almost all overpriced drugs currently on the market
to cover the research costs over the course of time.

Sorry, eat the research,
charge the manufacturing,
plus fair marketing costs,
period.

I bet that isn't $80/Liter

For the record,
this is the FIRST time I have ever in my life
not accepted your answer as acceptable.

You are the very man that energy reasearch should not loose,
to a persuit to the following of a water industry like this.

It will develop without you, we will loose hugely without you.

Do I insult you by accusing you of chosing profit
over energy technology research to come sir ?

This is admittadly a bit pissy, but I'm right.

We can't afford to have you follow this...

[dR-Green]

It's getting a little soppy around here these days isn't it?

But in my intended context - basically means my time isn't free and I'm not interesting in working on a volunteer basis or being dependent on donations for my work. Because if I did, I'd wind up on the streets and would be broke and homeless and that would be a part of the problem.

It is easier to "get ahead" in this country that it is to get a regular job and "work for a living" because there is less competition.

And, money is the most easily renewable resource, which unfortunately most people don't get.

Yes I took what you said a bit out of context, what I said wasn't a direct response but a mini rant at the system based on where the conversation was going. I don't like it when money issues come up and have to hold my tongue because, well let's just say that I agree that money is the most renewable resource, and yet most people don't seem to have any of it.

I won't claim to be doing anything "important" to humanity, although I suppose like most people here I like to think I'm contributing in some way and not simply being a "consumer" to literally consume all resources of earth, so I like to think I'm working on leaving the planet in a slightly better state than when I arrived, or at least minimise the damage caused by me while I'm here, or whichever way you want to look at it, otherwise why bother. So I'm glad I'm able to build and do the experiments I've been doing. But in reality, I'm only in the position to do that because I'm fortunate to be living with my parents who have done pretty well and can afford to have me here while I figure out what to do. And this is what makes me mad about the world, to think of what is NOT being done, because "money", a supposed CONVENIENCE, is standing in the way. I mean, how many people with good ideas and abilities are out there, but are living on the street, or don't have the time or money to be contributing to humanity in an UNIQUE way, that no one but them could do, because they have to continue to pay the bills and made up taxes. And then money is just an idea, so we are prevented from what could potentially be a giant leap in evolution in a short period of time, because this silly idea stands in the way. We're stuck in a circle

Well I suppose here you see why I held my tongue in the first place But to balance things out, as against the concept of money that I am, the one argument FOR it that I've heard that I must agree with, is that money regulates our usage of finite resources. I mean, imagine what would happen if the oil and coal and all that cost nothing, based on our current level of consciousness. The only thing that's preventing complete destruction is money.

Although I find this interesting: The people who spend their lives working for money never seem to have any of it, but the people who simply store the workers' money and sit there and do nothing beyond, have more of it than all the workers combined. Time to wake up.

[WeThePeople]

I guess I'm a bit ripped on this content because I truely believe that water-phenomina tells us more than we are taking at face value.

Water is amaizing, period.