* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

floaters

Hi Aaron

I hate to say this, because I don't want to reject your idea about floaters, that it might have an effect.

I noticed floaters insider my eyes about 7 years ago, and that was becoming a real annoyance to me, as it just kept popping up while I was reading or working with the computer.

Then I started searching, joining forums, meeting doctors, etc to find a solution to the problem, after seeing no use in all of that I discovered Bates.At first i was skeptical. You know I said to myself how is that the whole world thinks one way, and doctor Bates tells us that floaters are the result of mental strain. I couldn't believe him then, because I believed that floaters are real things in the eyeball. As time passed on and I used bates method and imagination to improve my vision, I started to understand eye problems, are related to an imbalance and disconnection of "EYES" from the mind, and in order to see perfectly again one must reconnect MIND which its center is in the back of the neck, with eyes.

Floaters do exist in every eyeball, and it is a shame that some people try to remove them by using laser. They are not seen when the mind is relaxed and centered. I discovered that by maintaining your focus on the 6th chakra on the forehead, while looking they disappear.

I truly recommend the Bates method to those seeking a better life. As I have come to understand, vision exists of all levels, of one's being, from the lowest earth chakras to the highmost spiritual chakras. One will see when he/she sees from his/her whole being.

Improving vision is highly affected by affirmations, Just give an empty set of glasses to a myopic person and he will suddenly be able to read by putting on those empty glasses, by only believing that the glasses will make him see more clearly.

Elias

BTW: Thanks for the books I will take a look on them.

I'm aware of the Bates method and have heard good results from it.

With the floaters, I notice them when in a very relaxed and passive state usually when using the blue sky as a background.

I agree we don't see them (at all or as much) when we're focused or concentrated but when they're gone, I believe it is because we don't notice them but they're still there, in my opinion of course. If there is some very loud noise going on around me, I'm able to still concentrate and don't even notice the sound anymore but the sound it actually still there.

But with that being said, this product does enhance focus, memory and concentration. Mental clarity being increased is something that most people recognize in a short time - so possibly people are noticing their floaters less according to Bates' idea.

[Aaron]

long lasting effects

have a few questions about the product, due to some posts about self making the product, as it would be cheaper in the long run to have a 20 year supply.

first, does the product need to be used after the benefits have been gained, e.g. no pain, feeling healthy hair regrowth e.t.c.

my belief at the moment until its been cleared up, is that the product would not need to be re-used until sometime in the future when the lasting results of the age reversal naturally are reduced due the normal aging process,
unless for some reason it's only an age reversal product only as long as one continues it's use.

If this product reversed 100% of every problem someone had and they stopped taking it, their body isn't going to suddenly revert back to a damaged one. They will simply have extended their lifespan and quality of life by whatever length of time. They will enjoy the benefits of the rejuvenation.

I personally plan to take it for the rest of my life because even if I have zero health problems, this allows me to operate at a peak above and beyond what is possible from the quantity of redox signaling molecules produced by my own mitochondria. Plus it is preventive and can be used for acute injuries, cuts, etc...

The below isn't directed at you, just some general comments I want to make about anyone that thinks they can save money making it themselves:

To clarify, nobody is going to be making this product. They will make water that can be used to sterilize things and may have some anti-inflammatory benefits (beware drinking it without using platinum electrodes) but a fully balanced redox signaling molecules solution with 16 molecules like what the mitochondria produces is simply not going to be made by a home experimenter. I would imagine someone would have a better chance of winning a pick 6 lottery multiple times in a row than they will have at replicating this.

Just like PATHS, many have tried to replicate it and 100% have failed. There are millions of permutations possible from the different steps people could take to get there but only one will give the results.

I know how to make a radiant energy battery charger. There is certainly more than enough that John Bedini has given out for people to make their own - it is a fun learning experience but since he made various models available that I can just buy from him, that is what I've done because it simply worth my time to make my own when I can buy it. This is actually the case for majority of people. A tiny, tiny small percentage of the population will want to build something for themselves when they can just buy it ready made.

With anyone trying to make their own, I'm not against people trying but think they should just play with electrolyzed water and plants first. Then move to the next step and the next. Most people WILL use stainless steel because they think it is safe even medical grade SS, but it is not safe under electrolysis conditions like this, it leaches nickel and other contaminants into the water. I wouldn't drink that or feed it to plants that are growing food meant for consumption.

Someone will easily spend 1000 hours over the months to try to replicate the redox signaling molecules and will completely fail. And at $10 per hour, that is $10,000 worth of someone's time. That is a 6 YEAR supply of the product if they would have just bought it - so anyone (will not mention any names here) that thinks they're going to save money by trying to make this themselves are fooling themselves. Anyone that will spend that kind of time and is convincing themselves and other they are saving money is simply someone that doesn't have any respect or value for their own time, or the time of others.

Just like the battery secret, people can make something or buy something. I respect people's time enough that I give a source they can just buy something. If they want to do it themselves to learn and experiment that is one thing but I'm not going to give anyone a false sense of savings by convincing people to just make it themselves with all the time investment necessary. I'm just presenting the facts with the battery secret.

If someone wants to experiment just to experiment and learn what the experiments will teach them when it comes to electrolyzing water or water with sodium chloride, that is a different story but for anyone to attempt to make it themselves to "save money" is not intellectually honest.

I'd personally rather spent the same 1000 hours to generate $100,000 in sales and have my product cost covered for the next 60 years.

[elias]

The redox signaling molecules are so non-toxic by the way, people are using it for eyewash or drops and are reporting floaters disappearing or at least becoming more transparent.

Hi Aaron

I hate to say this, because I don't want to reject your idea about floaters, that it might have an effect.

I noticed floaters insider my eyes about 7 years ago, and that was becoming a real annoyance to me, as it just kept popping up while I was reading or working with the computer.

Then I started searching, joining forums, meeting doctors, etc to find a solution to the problem, after seeing no use in all of that I discovered Bates.At first i was skeptical. You know I said to myself how is that the whole world thinks one way, and doctor Bates tells us that floaters are the result of mental strain. I couldn't believe him then, because I believed that floaters are real things in the eyeball. As time passed on and I used bates method and imagination to improve my vision, I started to understand eye problems, are related to an imbalance and disconnection of "EYES" from the mind, and in order to see perfectly again one must reconnect MIND which its center is in the back of the neck, with eyes.

Floaters do exist in every eyeball, and it is a shame that some people try to remove them by using laser. They are not seen when the mind is relaxed and centered. I discovered that by maintaining your focus on the 6th chakra on the forehead, while looking they disappear.

I truly recommend the Bates method to those seeking a better life. As I have come to understand, vision exists of all levels, of one's being, from the lowest earth chakras to the highmost spiritual chakras. One will see when he/she sees from his/her whole being.

Improving vision is highly affected by affirmations, Just give an empty set of glasses to a myopic person and he will suddenly be able to read by putting on those empty glasses, by only believing that the glasses will make him see more clearly.

Elias

BTW: Thanks for the books I will take a look on them.

[rotator]

have a few questions about the product, due to some posts about self making the product, as it would be cheaper in the long run to have a 20 year supply.

first, does the product need to be used after the benefits have been gained, e.g. no pain, feeling healthy hair regrowth e.t.c.

my belief at the moment until its been cleared up, is that the product would not need to be re-used until sometime in the future when the lasting results of the age reversal naturally are reduced due the normal aging process,
unless for some reason it's only an age reversal product only as long as one continues it's use.

[Aaron]

vision

What I have discovered is that the state of our vision reflects the state of our health. The more vibrant and colorful we see the more health we will have.

Elias, there is a lot of truth to that. Not just our health but our perception of the world, self esteem, etc...

I would highly recommend that anyone that wants to look into natural vision therapies to better our vision and our outlook on life check out these three books, they're awesome!

Light - Medicine of the Future by Jacob Liberman, O.D., PhD

Take Off Your Glasses and See, A Mind/Body Approach to Expanding Your Eyesight and Insight - also by Liberman

The Power Behind Your Eyes by Robert-Michael Kaplan

The redox signaling molecules are so non-toxic by the way, people are using it for eyewash or drops and are reporting floaters disappearing or at least becoming more transparent.

[Aaron]

health comments

I am in the same boat.
if this stuff can help can you imagine people will do anything to get there hands on it.
there needs to be another manufacture to create a healthy market place .

I purchased it for the same reasons. even if there is a chance when you are this age you would do any thing to make life better. I don't want to be held for ransom because of my health needs.

the baby boomers have all the money and will spend it on this no questions asked. Can you see what is about to unfold.

What do you mean another manufacturer to create a healthy marketplace? These products are in the health care field while conventional medicine is not health care, it sick care. Please let me know if this is what you're talking about - sounds interesting!

Thankfully, I'm don't have age related problems only being 38 right now but I am willing to invest wisely in my health to prevent many problems that could occur. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

I haven't popped open a regular soda pop (diabetes and osteoporosis prevention) like Coke, etc... for almost 15 or so years now...same as not adding white processed sugar (diabetes prevention) to anything in the same time and I haven't bought a loaf of white bread (diabetes, colon cancer, etc... prevention) also in the last 15 years. I'll eat some things with some processed sugar or something made from white flour once in a while but it is not something that I eat as a part of my regular diet. I do my best to avoid anything with high fructose corn syrup (permanently damages villi in the intestines and causes obesity and diabetes, etc...), food colorings (cancer), artificial sweeteners (cancer and countless others), etc... Just mentioning this because there are many things we can do if money is an issue to adjust our diet.

At my health food store, over the years, I literally sold tons of whole wheat flour, wheat berries if someone wants to grind it themselves, bulk flax seeds, etc... there isn't much of a difference in price to eat healthy or eat the processed nutritionally deficient foods and in many cases it is less expensive to eat healthier - especially if we're willing to take a little more time to prepare the foods (homemade bread, etc...). For the average family, a breakmaker is one of the top 10 ways to save money (can't afford one? use a hand grinder or buy the flour and use a bread pan in the oven - takes a bit of time but way healthier and way less expensive), while making healthier bread for less than what you can buy at the store. I'm not a big bread eater - don't eat a lot of grains in general but I do make my own bread once in a while.

The main valid argument that healthy food cost more than unhealthy food is in the produce isles at a grocery store or organic beef, etc... the food around the perimeter of the store is about the only safe place to shop, everything in the middle is boxed or canned dead food.

Even organic produce, etc... hasn't shown to give great benefits over non-organic food I would have to admit - there hasn't been a long enough time or enough real studies to show the benefit. I buy organic because I don't want trace pesticides, etc... However, the greatest difference in health when it comes to food is processed versus unprocessed.

If anyone wants to get a powerful foundation on food and health, probably THE most important book every written on the subject is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. A doctor that I worked with that was friends with Linus Pauling said this should be required reading for anyone that is interested in nutrition. Shows how in a VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, indigenous cultures that had processed food introduced suddenly had all kinds of problems. Their children started abnormal bone growth in their jaws, crooked teeth, etc...

Basically, processed foods mutate your dna and it is passed to children. But it clears up in later generations if the processed food is removed. DNA can heal itself. Contrary to the fraudulent "genetic" myth, only 2% of problems are truly genetic such as cystic fibrosis, downs syndrome, etc...

But diabetes, heart disease, etc... mostly bogus when doctors convince their patience it is all about their genes, the main thing of importance that is passed down is lifestyle and diet - habits basically - (usually). When those are changed, eventually, the genes correct themselves and suddenly the diabetes and heart diseases disappear. The whole "genetic" fraud is perpetrated so that people feel they are not responsible for their own health - "I got this from my mom" or "I got this from my dad" that is the easy way the average person wants so it isn't their fault or responsibility and they don't have to change their diet, etc... they feel doomed, accept the problem and feed the sick care system for the rest of their lives because they "can't do anything about it."

By the way, redox signaling molecules extend the telomere's length, perhaps not directly but from what they stimulate in the body. Good article to explain this in regards to mutli vitamins but good explanation of what telomeres are: Multivitamins Extend Telomere Length – and Therefore Lifespan Potential | Health and Wellness News

Basically, lifespan can be extended beyond the theoretical limit of 120 years. I would LOVE to live 120 and beyond IF the quality of my life was health and happy. The redox signaling works at a foundation level that vitamins, minerals, etc... cannot touch and accounting for this, I think the human lifespan limit can and will become record breaking thanks to this breakthrough science.

If this product does what is claimed, and there are tens of thousands that are showing not just subjective results but objective ones as well like age spots disappearing - and company is very new, people will definitely see the value of paying what it costs. But it is relatively very inexpensive insurance.

My closest mentor died a few years back and spent the last couple years in an elderly care home and suffered from dementia - cost his family up to $8000 USD per MONTH the entire time he was there - draining a very substantial amount of money. Insurance didn't cover very much of that - it came out of their pockets. Fortunately for them, he was pretty successful with his ventures and made some good money so it didn't come out of their pockets - just so a lot of it could be spent to prolong the agony and delay the inevitable.

If something would have cost $1000 per month to take and it prevented the dementia, it would have been the cheapest insurance in the world.

I'm not sure what is "about to unfold" in terms of seeing it as a bad thing. People have options and it is a blessing that they do. Someone can spend a few hundred per month on chelation therapy to help some things and prevent others and many baby boomers have been doing this for many years now already. There are many things already available that cost more than average supplements and have been available for a long time. So, with this product, the concept of baby boomers or anyone else spending the money to do things to get some relief, etc... is not a new thing. It just happens that this particular product is in a category all by itself and is comparatively prices to many things on the market. This product didn't change anything in regards to the above, it is only a different modality that appears to work better, faster.

[elias]

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

Mark,

I have not talked so much about these things, in the last couple of years, but ... What I have discovered is that the state of our vision reflects the state of our health. The more vibrant and colorful we see the more health we will have.

Now one of the geniuses of our time was Dr Bates, which has not been mentioned so much, but he discovered how to cure ANY type of dis-ease by simple mind exercises, and of course just like any method it requires COMMITMENT. It's main objective is to relax the mind. It teaches the mind to keep in a meditative state, allowing all types of cure to be manifested.

The most interesting fact is that this person knew almost nothing about meditation and yoga or any other self healing method, but developed the best tools to relax the mind, and body, therefore regain perfect vision. He was living in the 1900s.

Now for more info visit iblindness.org - Home - The Bates Method of Natural Vision Improvement,

Elias

[Aaron]

@Mark

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

Hi Mark,

Out of curiosity, do you have an alternative source for B12, which is normally in good amounts only in red meats? I take Klamath lake blue green algae which has an ok amount for a plant source. Methylcobalamin (most bio available b12) sublingual tabs are fairly inexpensive and is really need by most vegetarians. You probably already know this but I like to bring it up because many vegetarians don't get enough b12.

Friend here has 145 blood sugar levels normally. In the last one month, for the first time, they are at 120 very consistently. She also has a large painful red blotch on her right shin about 3x6 inches big that is shrinking more and more every day that I see her. I obviously can't make claims for this product but this product is supporting her body to do what it is designed to do. Those are pretty quick results.

In each case is an empty little spray bottle, can fill it up and use topically. Friend here has used this since December, was bald on top and some people I know call him their Chia pet - his hair grew back quite a bit already (from areas where no hair grew before) and his gray is turning black. The hair stuff like this is a longer process and takes months but it happens. I always thought gray hair was just a mineral deficiency, but after talking to a pathologist friend that has been involved with many studies and has has written papers on catalase, I researched and found that a lack of catalase enzyme will cause hair to turn gray. This product seriously boosts the catalase enzyme. Boosting the catalase enzyme is something we can legally discuss.

Age spots are disappearing or drastically getting lighter - especially from the backs of the hands of countless people. This seems to be one of the most common things that happens in 2 months or less. My mom had sun damage spots on her hands all my life (38 years), I can hardly see those spots anymore (almost 3 months later). I believe from the massive boost in quantity and efficiency of the glutathione/sod/catalase. Glutathione can flush that stuff right out of the skin since it converts toxins and other things that are oxidized into an excretable form and it gets dumped out in the urine. We can discuss the increase in quantity and effectiveness of glutathione and sod as well.

[toranarod]

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

[Mark]

Thanks Mark, call anytime.

It is shipped from Utah so depending on where you live, anywhere in the states for example should be by Thursday or Friday at the latest. I usually get mine in about 3 days.

60 days is a good time to test it.

Do you happen to have anything serious you are addressing? If you're already in good health, your results will not be as fantastic as people that have the most serious conditions. My results were not that miraculous even though many things are happening for me - what I'm seeing with some of my older friends and family are quite profound actually.

I'm almost 50 now so I have quite a few old injuries, loosing hair, age spots, high blood pressure, insomnia, gall bladder problems, low energy. I've been a vegitarian for 7 months now trying to get healthier. I ordered 4 cases and plan on giving some to a couple of people I know that are hurting to see if they can get some relief so I'll get a couple of reviews. Has anyone that is diabetic noticed any positive changes with their sugar levels?

[Aaron]

can't afford

The rich and wealthy will stay healthy and the poor will die. this is the one big crime I can see coming from this stuff. Its already to expansive for some. you health should not be controlled by your economic position.
Then what? How do I get more? How do Fund my need to stay healthy.
You become a distributor just as any drug dealer does to support his habit

Now that is something I can't afford to buy.

[Aaron]

how to take it

Alright, just received my bottles today
nice package - bottle has the look of healthy life.

ready to begin testing...
consumed my first 2oz right out of the box will do so again tonight.
tastes like water, I would not exactly call it salty, kind of "minerally"?

Aaron, I seem to remember some recommended time of day or do not eat before or after or consume any other liquid recommendations. I can not find that info. again, do you mind posting or PM?



Patrick

Hi Patrick, that was quick. Yes, very beautiful packaging.

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Yes, not salty because it really isn't "salt water" anymore. And having it reach your place and remain that way borders on profound from a scientific standpoint because it isn't supposed to be possible.

First thing upon waking up, take 2 ounces on an empty stomach and don't mix it with anything - not even water. Wait 10 minutes before eating or drinking anything.

Repeat this before dinner on before sleep on an empty stomach.

Never let any saliva or anything touch the cap or inside the rim of the bottle - it will activate the reaction and neutralize the bottle.

The caps are 1/2 ounce so 4 caps are a single 2 ounce serving.

Only use glass when drinking - never use metal, that will speed neutralization.

For topical use, only use the spray bottle that comes in the case. Fill it up and spray as needed. Never use other bottles because they may have metal springs in them and that metal will activate the molecules and neutralize the liquid in the bottle.

Some people are more relaxed on their protocol, but this is my personal one that I recommend.

[Aaron]

new thread

I'm going to carry the conversation over here for the actual science because it could get confusing for new people coming to this thread with a name of an event that already expired:

http://www.energeticforum.com/health-fitness-nutrition/8819-redox-signaling-molecules.html

I may move some relevant posts. If anyone wants to keep posting in this thread about the event itself, that will be truly on topic.

thanks

[Aaron]

results

Well I just ordered some and I'll let the product speak for itself. I'll be happy to let people know what I think about the product if they're interested. I ordered today so hopefully I'll have it in a week and will use it for at least 60 days.

Aaron does it take longer than a week to recieve after ordering? I'll give you a call with some questions I have after I've read all the material. Normally I probably wouldn't spend this kind of money for a heath product but I dont believe that you or Peter would put your reputations on the line if this was a scam.

If I start to see some results after 30 days I plan on jumping on this opportunity. This could be just what I've been looking for.

Thanks again Aaron
Mark

Thanks Mark, call anytime.

It is shipped from Utah so depending on where you live, anywhere in the states for example should be by Thursday or Friday at the latest. I usually get mine in about 3 days.

60 days is a good time to test it.

Do you happen to have anything serious you are addressing? If you're already in good health, your results will not be as fantastic as people that have the most serious conditions. My results were not that miraculous even though many things are happening for me - what I'm seeing with some of my older friends and family are quite profound actually.

[Aaron]

taste and price issues

By the way, how does this taste? That doesn't seem to get mentioned much.

Like slightly chlorinated water with a hint of hydrogen peroxide.

The price is completely comparable to the popular antioxidant juices. The difference is that with this product, your body can actually use it.

Those juices are not doing little to nothing in the way of their antioxidant claims because the body cannot use them without the rs molecules. I admit they have good nutrients and if you want to talk expensive THOSE are expensive to pay for nutrients without actually benefiting from the antioxidants. I used to own a vitamin store. I had plenty of juices for $30-40 per bottle and those were 1 week supplies. That was different goji, noni and other juices. Not the MLM ones, but doesn't matter, the price difference was insignificant. Our product for what it does is actually a bargain.

@anyone that sees money as an issue...

This company offers an opportunity for people to better themselves financially if they want. Anyone that wants to get out of their financial situation if they are unhappy can simply choose to do whatever it takes to make things happen. I can tell you if money was an issue for me and I didn't know how to do business, I'd be collecting cans or doing whatever it took (that is legal and ethical) to put food on the table. And if my life depended on it, I would find a way to purchase this product.

If I had a Ferrari F-50 and offered it for $5k USD, just about everyone that has an issue with the price on this product would come up with $5k by the end of the same day. It usually isn't the price that is the issue, it is the question, is it worth that much to me on a monthly basis? If it is yes, people find a way to get it, it is that simple. When there is a deep enough burning desire to accomplish something - people find a way. Read Think & Grow Rich and take it to hear - it is free - I posted a link.

I know it is easier said than done, but I do have room to speak - I had many years of income that were only $3-4k per year throughout my teenage years and into my 20's. I'm talking about coming up with an average of a few hundred dollars per month and believing that for a while that I'll never be able to earn a full time income - and I was only hoping for about $2k per month - that would have been a lot of money - I could have gotten my own apartment, paid off my credit cards (which my mother cosigned for me because I couldn't even qualify for them myself) and I was brainwashed into believing that I had to use my credit cards into order to have good credit.

I could only get work at temp agencies and I attempted to get so many full times jobs but just didn't get hired but I didn't give up. I couldn't collect unemployment because I didn't really pay into it. Didn't qualify for social security - never paid much into it and am not disabled. I would have been on the streets if it wasn't for my parents letting me stay at their home.

For many months in my early 20's, I actually lived in my friend's car (didn't even own one my own at that time)! That was in Japan off the base when I was in a "transition" a few years after highschool (on the base). I know exactly what it is like to scrape by not even know how I was going to eat. I had to scrounge up change just so I could use a coin operated shower in order to clean up. Thankfully, I had some good friends that did help me out as a last resort but for the most part, my struggle with this on a psychological basis was very difficult.

What did it for me was that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired - that was a couple years after I got back to the states and was staying at my parents house - broke and nowhere to go and could only get meaningless part time jobs. I decided to plant my feet in this town and with IMMOVABLE faith in God I KNEW that things were unfolding for me.

Joined two of the most popular mlm companies, completely failed in both. Finally, someone that knew better that cared enough about my own financial success basically pried my head out of you know where so I could see the light and stop buying my own excuses and turned me onto the fact that I had self sabotaging thinking patterns in a big way and that I was broke and remained so because my thinking was broke.

I don't believe in sympathy because I think it is inauthentic. However, I do empathize with people from the heart because I know what it feels like from a plenty of experience being there.

But if money is an issue now for anyone, it will be an issue in 5 years from now unless changes are made NOW of what someone is doing. I wouldn't make this product a priority just to take it unless I think someone REALLY needs it but there are other issues in one's life that needs to be addressed that are probably other priorities.

If someone has no money and needs health issues addressed, practice QIGONG by a qualified teacher. It is simply one of the most powerful things that any human being can dedicate time to. There are many "by donation" Qigong classes around the country - $5 per class or nothing at all - and there are no hard feelings. Many of these classes are in public parks, etc... People in wheelchairs or even bedridden patients can practice Qigong. Nobody has a valid excuse to not address their health if they don't have money.

And I would practice the methods in my Synchronicity document that I posted - it is free and gives a method that has resulted in countless testimonials from people from all over the world stating that it not only makes more sense than any loa method they have read, but the results actually happen and things line up for them like they haven't experienced before. It probably isn't the best method but it works for me, I shared it and others agree. Use that method to see a healthy body into being - and coupled with Qigong that can be learned for free, people have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I'm not guaranteeing results for anyone because I have no control over people's work ethic when it comes to practicing things so I just have to be realistic.

Just because this product costs what it does and some people have a problem with it, saying this isn't what Energetic Forum is about when we have contributed many hours of our time and information on our projects to everyone without asking anything in return, I think is very unfair and is intellectually dishonest. Sorry, but just because one thing here is currently difficult to purchase by some doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the forum. Some people can't spent $1700 for a rejuvenator at teslachargers.com and that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with us, teslachargers or this forum - but by going with some people's logic, we would have to stop selling those in order to be honest people.

If someone wants to earn money and don't have money to invest, sell digital products online and develop a sustainable campaign. There are products at A & P Electronic Media - Digital Publishing by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann and White Dragon Press - Digital Publishing by Aaron Murakami free program to join and people ARE making money 7 days a week with our system.

I have a friend here and his wife just moved here for the Philippines, making 2 sales per month of A Course in Mind Power earns $50 for the affiliate. Do you realize how much $50 per month is in the PI? That is the difference between eating or starving or having an apartment or living on the streets.

Basically, I know that money is not a valid excuse - it was one of my biggest ones in the past. I wish there were free affiliate programs back when I didn't have money to do anything. Everyone has time to put a few hours a week into honest effort. Nobody can say that don't have time either. Everyone has 24 hours in a day - it is what we choose to do with the time available that makes the difference.

If someone puts a couple hours per week of honest effort into building an online campaign to sell an ebook, they can make a few hundred per month part time. What can a few hundred dollars per month do for someone that really needs money? AND, without spending any money to do it - just some time.

There are free autoresponders at Bravenet, free article submission sites, etc... all the tools are available online for someone to come in with $0 and just some time and create a self running business that generates income on a regular basis and valuable skills are learned along the way. I can point people in the right direction for anyone that wants to learn bad enough but I'm a tough coach - I keep people accountable to what they say they're going to do and if they don't I stop working with them. My time is spent with those that deserve it.

I also help my affiliates in a way that almost no other digital publishers do but I'm not spelling it out here. It is something that will have most digital publishers shaking in their boots if their own affiliates found out what I was doing. I'm one of the few people that make my affiliates money for them even if they're not putting in effort at a later time. That is because contrary to some of the psychobabble going around here recently, I actually care about my affiliates, sometimes too much and too generously - I know what it means to them and it is my way of giving back. I do most of the work and I simultaneously give most of it back to the affiliates.

PATHS is a great opportunity too but you do have to be on at least one paid module yourself and if anyone is interested let me know.

Bottom line: money is an excuse but not a logically valid reason because there are ways to make money without having any. And if anyone wants to get something started, contact me through White Dragon Press. This can generate the funds in order to get involved with the health product company for anyone that is in that dire need of money for the product or opportunity, money to use PATHS if desired, money to pay bills, whatever, up to everyone what they want to do.