* SPECIAL EVENT * August 4, 2011, 7pm Pacific Time Zone

[Aaron]

don't use carbon

Graphite does not either, it is nearly non-reactive with all constituents which is why it is used in schools everywhere for this experiment.

What I would need to determine is how much CO2 (harmless) is formed and if any CH compounds can form, it would take a bit of research (days not years) but is well within the grasp of anyone.

I would not worry much about it being harmfull, I would worry about it being less effective due to CO2 being present. I do not believe hydocarbons can form but I would need to verify it before I started.

Chemestry teacher said Graphite form of carbon was non=reactive with o2 or h2 in the temp range, however I don't take his word for granted.

Main reason nobody here uses graphite is that it cannot conduct as much current and is less efficient for HH0, for health I don't think either apply.

Worth verifying for the home kit so to say, like the at hom water ozenation jobs.

Cheers
Ryan

Hi Ryan,

Well - I think your teacher is not telling the whole story.

Graphite and any other carbon in general is very hydrophobic - it repels water. I have electrolyzed graphite rods to create a colloidal carbon solution with nano sized carbon particles of a few atoms big. The carbon, through the electrolysis process becomes hydrophilic - water loving - it pulls water to it - that changes the chemistry.

But still, you're just electrolyzing water with carbon - this has nothing to do with redox signaling molecules.

It is an electrolyzed sodium chloride solution.

Many people can think they can just electrolyze salt water and make this but they can find out on their own that they are wasting their time.

It is a very delicate process that requires extensive testing throughout the entire 3 day process. It is possible only in a very, very, very small window as many things are. Outside of that window, you create toxic chlorine molecules, etc... can make someone really sick.

Carbon has no place in this process.

Carbon is fine in other electrolytic processes but not redox signaling molecules. To think otherwise is trying to out think 16 years of research and many millions of dollars. Just in my opinion.

I like to think I have a pretty good grip on this technology but there is still no way I'm drinking a home brewed electrolyzed sodium chloride solution.

This product is the only one ever tested that shows ZERO inflammation response no matter how much is administered - no toxic levels have been found while simultaneously triggering a repair mechanism (boost in natural antioxidant production).

[Aaron]

stabilized and balanced redox signaling molecules

I have a scientific question then,

Can you discuss the basics of the operation? I don't mean anything that is top secret and would give away the secrets but more along the lines of the entire process in theory? Some videos state it's salt water, but I know you can't drink salt water or else we would be pulling water from the worlds oceans.

I would find it pretty interesting on how brown's gas plays into the process.

Thanks!!!

Yes, if it was salt water, it would kill plants when you feed it to plants (would be spendy plant food but for an experiment) - we can see the plants grow crazy - salt water would kill them.

Same with us, if it was salt water, we'd all be in touble.

It is electrolyzed sodium chloride and water. There are 4 atoms there. Sodium, chlorine, hydrogen and oxygen.

They are rebuilt into 16 molecules in 100% non toxic forum. Interesting when normally hydrogen peroxide, ozone, etc... are all oxidizing toxins to the body but not in this balanced form

[Mark]

Crifta,

I have been taking the product for a month now. The last 10 days or so I increased my dosage to 3oz twice a day. The only thing that I have noticed is that some spots on my left bicept (I call them liver spots) appear to have faded a little. I'm NOT sleeping better, still blow my nose 4 times when I wake up, no new growth of hair on my head, my side still hurts and no returning dark hair color. At this point I am disappointed in the product. I initially bought 4 cases and have recieved 1 additional shipment so I still have almost 4 cases left. I will continue to take the product but if I dont see more results in the next 3 weeks or see someone elses proof with pictures (Peter) I will be cancelling my order and will be asking for a refund. I hope that others are benifiting from the product more than I have. I promised a 1 month report and there it is.

Mark

[citfta]

Any results

Hi Minoly,

Have you seen any real results from you taking over 5 bottles? I am almost to the end of my second bottle and I haven't seen any big changes. I do seem to be sleeping a little better and I maybe have a little more fuzz on the top of my bald head.

@ toronorad,

I think you also have been taking it for a while now. Have you seen any real changes?

going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

Carroll

[Mark]

Peter? any one home?
going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

Ya, come on Peter I would also like to see a picture of your colored roots with grey ends.

Mark

[rmay635703]

If you're not sure what carbonized water does, why would you choose carbon as the electrode in order to make hho for consumption?

You will electrolyze the carbon and contribute to the chemistry and this will completely prevent you from creating a non-toxic redox signaling molecule solution. Platinum is used because it is very non-corrosive (won't contribute to the chemistry).

Graphite does not either, it is nearly non-reactive with all constituents which is why it is used in schools everywhere for this experiment.

What I would need to determine is how much CO2 (harmless) is formed and if any CH compounds can form, it would take a bit of research (days not years) but is well within the grasp of anyone.

I would not worry much about it being harmfull, I would worry about it being less effective due to CO2 being present. I do not believe hydocarbons can form but I would need to verify it before I started.

Chemestry teacher said Graphite form of carbon was non=reactive with o2 or h2 in the temp range, however I don't take his word for granted.

Main reason nobody here uses graphite is that it cannot conduct as much current and is less efficient for HH0, for health I don't think either apply.

Worth verifying for the home kit so to say, like the at hom water ozenation jobs.

Cheers
Ryan

[minoly]

Peter,
I think we would all love to see some before and after pictures of that gray.
not as proof, just as to the amount of difference we should hope to see ourselves.

Patrick

edit - ps - what day did you start taking it?

Peter? any one home?
going on bottle number 6 now...

Patrick

[occy30]

I have a scientific question then,

Can you discuss the basics of the operation? I don't mean anything that is top secret and would give away the secrets but more along the lines of the entire process in theory? Some videos state it's salt water, but I know you can't drink salt water or else we would be pulling water from the worlds oceans.

I would find it pretty interesting on how brown's gas plays into the process.

Thanks!!!

[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

i am uncertain about this and I am no expert but if I were to decide to make hho for consumption I would use a graphite lead or fashion myself a graphite plate and clean it up. I would never consider a metal conductor of any type if I were to consume it. I also would use HV and no electrolite but i digress.

Thats how you do it safely in chemlab, not sure what carbonized water does though.

If you're not sure what carbonized water does, why would you choose carbon as the electrode in order to make hho for consumption?

You will electrolyze the carbon and contribute to the chemistry and this will completely prevent you from creating a non-toxic redox signaling molecule solution. Platinum is used because it is very non-corrosive (won't contribute to the chemistry).

[rmay635703]

THINK GB, the average person is going to use stainless steel, etc.. and will wind up with traces of toxic chromium, etc... in their mix, etc... go ahead and encourage people to screw themselves up - not very smart.

Why don't you study the whole thing before haphazardly recommending that people poison themselves.

Scare tactic? Anyone with business sense knows that a very small
insignificant percentage of anyone that will try to do it themselves has
no bearing on the majority of the population that simply wants to purchase
it. This has ALWAYS been the case.

I have no problem with people discussing the science first but to suggest something that you know nothing about is completely irresponsible.

i am uncertain about this and I am no expert but if I were to decide to make hho for consumption I would use a graphite lead or fashion myself a graphite plate and clean it up. I would never consider a metal conductor of any type if I were to consume it. I also would use HV and no electrolite but i digress.

Thats how you do it safely in chemlab, not sure what carbonized water does though.

[toranarod]

There is so much I want to post after the convention and will do it all at once in a blog post and will link to it. Nearly speechless.

All viagra is - is a pde5 inhibitor. pde5 breaks down nitric oxide - so the nitric oxide lasts longer. pde5 is part of a feedback loop to keep it in check.

All I can tell you is that certain functions work better with the redox signaling molecules - and it is up to everyone to find out what that is.

After the molecules, one individual that I know doesn't have to take any enhancement supplements or drugs for certain sexual functions.

I new it was more than just my Wife's good looks.
looking forward to hearing all about the Vegas convention.
great work
rod

[Aaron]

redox signaling molecules

Will it replace Viagra?
Rod

There is so much I want to post after the convention and will do it all at once in a blog post and will link to it. Nearly speechless.

All viagra is - is a pde5 inhibitor. pde5 breaks down nitric oxide - so the nitric oxide lasts longer. pde5 is part of a feedback loop to keep it in check.

All I can tell you is that certain functions work better with the redox signaling molecules - and it is up to everyone to find out what that is.

After the molecules, one individual that I know doesn't have to take any enhancement supplements or drugs for certain sexual functions.

[minoly]

Thanks Ash,
I've been reading up on these as well as an alternate gallstone flush.
I didn't want to complicate the redox experiment, so I'm going to continue with it until the next ultrasound. they measured the size of the stones at my last visit.
here is a before pic of the dot on my arm - and look there - I am all out in the open, name picture and all. I don't understand anyone who is in hiding any more, unless you just joined.
so the before of my face (scary as it is) we should see the gray hair, yellowing-ish of eyes, blemishes, etc... I know pictures will not be ultimate proof of anything. but I will do my best to describe. the lighting will remain the same for each picture as I took it in the bathroom with no external sun added.
let's see if this stuff can improve my looks
the only adjustment I made to the picture is to have Photoshop reduce for web.

Patrick

tried my best, the lighting will not be the same :-(
luckily I made a video of the USB microscopes I've been taking. I will have to process it though, maybe I'll wait another couple of weeks to see if there is any substantial difference. right now I can not find any.

Patrick

[minoly]

Toranarod,

You are absolutely correct. I believe this is the first, legitimate "age reversal" substance ever marketed. But don't cut back to 2 oz per day. Stay at 4 oz and let your body balance and heal itself at the faster rate. Most of us here are even taking more because the benefits vastly exceed the cost. I'm 60 years old, and I haven't felt this good since I was in my late 30's, and my gray beard is about half way back to it's original hair color!

Also, ASEA doesn't treat any disease, so I can't comment on your diabetes question, but I can tell you that all of my sugar cravings have absolutely STOPPED. ASEA is known to help balance blood sugar issues and normalize pancreatic cell functions. That is as much as I can say.

Glad to see that you saw through all of the BS from the "nay-sayers" and actually tried the product. There is nothing like first-hand knowledge to clear the mind.

Peter

Peter,
I think we would all love to see some before and after pictures of that gray.
not as proof, just as to the amount of difference we should hope to see ourselves.

Patrick

edit - ps - what day did you start taking it?

[toranarod]

Toranarod,

You are absolutely correct. I believe this is the first, legitimate "age reversal" substance ever marketed. But don't cut back to 2 oz per day. Stay at 4 oz and let your body balance and heal itself at the faster rate. Most of us here are even taking more because the benefits vastly exceed the cost. I'm 60 years old, and I haven't felt this good since I was in my late 30's, and my gray beard is about half way back to it's original hair color!

Also, ASEA doesn't treat any disease, so I can't comment on your diabetes question, but I can tell you that all of my sugar cravings have absolutely STOPPED. ASEA is known to help balance blood sugar issues and normalize pancreatic cell functions. That is as much as I can say.

Glad to see that you saw through all of the BS from the "nay-sayers" and actually tried the product. There is nothing like first-hand knowledge to clear the mind.

Peter

nice to see you on the forum. I will keep to my 4 OZ a day.
I do not have diabetes. I want to help a family member.
Wow to say your hair is going back to its original color.
I have a question No body has asked but I am going to because I think it works. Will it replace Viagra?
Rod