Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[elias]

Thanks Elias for the info

You are welcome.

[elias]

@ Elias, thanks for that, i always assumed the forces were equal !

What do they say, ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME LOL !

Me too! That is why I made that structure in the first place. Actually that was going to be an inertial propulsion device, but I discovered that I wrongly assumed that repulsion and attraction are equal forces. When attraction is present, you don't feel repulsion anymore it is gone! It is obvious to me now that it must be that way to keep creation unified. Everything converges in the end.

[Shadesz]

the easiest way to determine magnet spacing IMO is to take a gauss meter and measure the distance away (at the same angle that your coil will be) that the gauss meter begins to measure some particular force.

In this way we can determine the reach of the magnetic field and can design our rotors accordingly. In a same pole setup for maximum power production wouldn't we want one magnet field to leave a coil just as the next one begins to influence it?

[qvision]

@ Shadesz

This is very informative about phase relationships :

RE-partI.mpg - YouTube

@Rod, thanks for the info.

@ Elias, thanks for that, i always assumed the forces were equal !

What do they say, ASSUME makes an ASS out of U and ME LOL !

[Shadesz]

Thanks Rod.

Seems I need to get to my general electricity theory classes as soon as possible. I need to better understand how voltage and current can be out of phase. Any simple explanations of this? (I think I need to study better what voltage is)

[MonsieurM]

@Shadesz

There is a problem with that calculator, and it is the fact that it gives identical force for repulsion and attraction. But as I have tested it in the link below attraction is stronger than repulsion, for the same type of magnets:
Attraction vs Repulsion in Magnetic Fields 2 - YouTube

Then gravityblock posted this link that gave you different results for attraction and repulsion:
Pull and Push Between 2 Disc Magnets

Interestingly attraction is about 1.6 times(Golden Mean) stronger than repulsion!

I think that one of Bill mullers secrets is extracting energy when the magnet approaches the coil and also using the attraction of magnets to the cores of coils for driving in his even odd design.

Elias

Thanks Elias for the info

[hello_all]

frequency effect

"Dare to be naive." ~ R. Buckminster Fuller - YouTube

this shows what happens at 600rpm and 1800rpm the frequency changes add to regenrative effect

[hello_all]

Part 1 GATES CORPORATION Demo - YouTube

here is video explaining the coil priniciple

[hello_all]

voilation of energy law

ENERGY CAN BE CREATED ~ Theory of Conservation of Energy is False - YouTube

look at this , he has big rotor and input 200watts+ while he can add 84watts extra thru regenerative coils

[prato_braun]

permanent effect

maybe the effect is somehow related to this effect shown with permanent magnets.
because the video is in german i hust quickly walk you through it.

1)the outer ring has its south pole centered in the middle while the magnet used as a projectile has its south on the outside. that's why u can't pass the projectile through the ring without quite a force to overcome the repulsion.
2)now he puts the projectile on a disk which has all north poles facing out.
the spot where he puts the projectile is a kind of equilibrium spot where the projectile and the disk cancel each other out so it just sits loosely there.
3)the outside of the disk being north is strong enough to hide the south pole of the projectile completely within it. still it is in attraction mode to the ring!!!
4) approaching the ring now takes no extra force in fact it gets easier and at a certain point the projectile shoots because of the repulsive force of the ring.

5) in the later videos he finds out that the kinetic force gained by the repulsion is enough to go through another 'gate' and continue the process.

IN FRONT OF THE GATE IS DIFFERENT FROM BEHIND

MFB-Magnet-Feld-Beschleuniger.Vol1 - YouTube
MFB-Magnet Feld Beschleuniger Vol.4 - YouTube
MFB-Magnet Feld Beschleuniger...info! Vol.7 - YouTube

If its' off topic just delete.
Cheers,

Prato

[elias]

Attraction vs Repulsion

@Shadesz

There is a problem with that calculator, and it is the fact that it gives identical force for repulsion and attraction. But as I have tested it in the link below attraction is stronger than repulsion, for the same type of magnets:
Attraction vs Repulsion in Magnetic Fields 2 - YouTube

Then gravityblock posted this link that gave you different results for attraction and repulsion:
Pull and Push Between 2 Disc Magnets

Interestingly attraction is about 1.6 times(Golden Mean) stronger than repulsion!

I think that one of Bill mullers secrets is extracting energy when the magnet approaches the coil and also using the attraction of magnets to the cores of coils for driving in his even odd design.

Elias

[MonsieurM]

Hi kEhYo77!

You're right. But in NNN configuration i don't think it's the same. I've allready put on my rotor 10 mags (10/10mm) witch gave a distance of 20mm between them and i had trouble with my hall senzor.It was very dificult to find the ''sweat spot'' for triggering and I couldn't spin the rotor more than 3000 rpm. In my curent rotor the space between the mags is 25mm. Those 5 mm more make a huge difference . I think it's very important the strenght of the magnetic field.

there must be a ratio then between strength of magnet and distance that could allow you to use any type of magnet as long as you know that ratio number

[mariuscivic]

Hello mariuscivic.

your work is impressive and I just was wondering what you where doing.
Romero said you had an accident with your motor and was having trouble replicating it. I have been looking for your post.

great to hear how things are going. Ihave been over there Romero Experiments at this forum talking about some designee changes. I am going to give NSNS a try I have believed it was not the way to. But time to test that idea.

Hi Toranarod!

I tested NS config. too. I had more power in the output but also the drag was greater.

[toranarod]

Hi Toranarod
I did damage my rotor;tryed to fix it but in the end one magnet flew off. I was very lucky it didn't hit me . It flew off around 6000 rpm. So now i bouth other 16 mags (10/10mm cube n48) becouse i want to make a new rotor with the duble nr of magnets hopping i will get the same effect at lower rpm.Since i want to make a new one please tell me if you now what is the best distance between the mags. I'm also on the other forum Muller Dynamo . Im changing very frequently my setup becouse now i have some more time and also i have many ideas. I'm doing that becouse not always the theory is the same as practice. Yesterday i connected the gen coils between them before the bridges and i did get the speeding in dead short but not in load. Didn't knew what to do with that, i've changed once again my setup

Hello mariuscivic.

your work is impressive and I just was wondering what you where doing.
Romero said you had an accident with your motor and was having trouble replicating it. I have been looking for your post.

great to hear how things are going. Ihave been over there Romero Experiments at this forum talking about some designee changes. I am going to give NSNS a try I have believed it was not the way to. But time to test that idea.

[toranarod]

After days of testing ... here is my first result, thanks to Romero for advising the single coil/many RPM test


Speed Under Load Test.


COIL :

24 SWG (0.56mm, 23 AWG is closest at 0.573mm)

L = 53 mH
R = 60 Ohms

55mm long and 37mm wide.

Coil former barrel diameter is 15mm.

Unsure of number of turns since shop bought.


ROTOR :

VHS motor.

Diameter : 60mm


MAGNETS :

8 x 10mm diameter x 5mm height disc magnets, grade N42.
Magnets arranged N/S.


DRIVE CIRCUITRY :

Standard SSG drive circuit with charging diode removed.


RESULTS :

At 1100 RPM, shorting the coil increased the RPM to 1290

The input current went up from 115 mA to 120 mA

I will now do more testing and post results

I have done more testing and at some spots the RPM goes up while the current draw remains the same and i have just found my first spot where RPM goes up and current draw goes down.

@ Marius, this is at low RPM's starting off at around 1000 and the effect is there.

I do what ewizard advises and i put some MDF and some tool boxes around the device to catch any escaping magnets.

can i see a photo of your coils. the resistance is high for that wire but the Henry's is to my liking. is that 6.0 ohm. maybe?

good results all looks perfect