Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[toranarod]

Now for the next question,

Why when you first charge an inductor does voltage spike before current flows? I have my ideas but was wondering if anyone already knew so I don't have to speculate.

Do you mean by a mechanical switch? the moment you close the switch Its because of what we call the bounce effect. have you ever heard of a de-bounce circuit? pair of cross coupled NAND gates.
there is a reason why switching a coil with a transistor is better than a reed switch. that's why they burn out. they do not close fast enough.
every mechanical switch will actually switch on and off several times before it's properly closed. that's what the spike is.

If this is what you are referring to

[toranarod]

@Rod

Have you tried charging low impedance batteries with your coil? Because batteries have low impedance they should behave like shorting coils. I think that this was the "secret" of the Watson machine, he was charging batteries by pulsing the coils into the battery at the "right" moment, so that the phase delay of the "current" made Lenz go away.

If you have achieved no drag by shorting through diode bridges, I suggest give this a try!

Elias

No I have not tried that,its a good idea I have just finish my 3rd new Rotor.
It was rather difficult to get them all just perfectly in the right place.

getting the coils together I need to make a few more.

This is what I came up with from what I calculated from my research, also the designee are the best or as close as we can get on the budgets we have and skills and resources at our disposal.

[Shadesz]

Now for the next question,

Why when you first charge an inductor does voltage spike before current flows? I have my ideas but was wondering if anyone already knew so I don't have to speculate.

[Shadesz]

@Rod,

Thanks for re-explaining it. I'm coming around slowly.

Also thank you qvision and Elias for the links

My hang up was in thinking that current was the amount of flowing electrons, and voltage was the speed of the electrons: not the case. Voltage is the potential of electron travel, not the speed of electron travel.

So now, when a generator coil is charged, it peaks the voltage before any current begins to flow. Thus we can have our voltage without lenz. But then the current begins to flow and as such, lenz starts to show up. So the idea is to delay the current without having to worry about voltage...?

[Shadesz]

Romero confession of his fake Muller Dynamo

Hey guys read up...

Here is a link...
DELAYING LENZ LAW ...

And attached is a backup PDF of the page as it sits today.

Note: I am not a forum member so I couldn't verify the sign up date for the user RomeroUK, nor have I investigated all his posts on that forum.

[elias]

@Rod

Have you tried charging low impedance batteries with your coil? Because batteries have low impedance they should behave like shorting coils. I think that this was the "secret" of the Watson machine, he was charging batteries by pulsing the coils into the battery at the "right" moment, so that the phase delay of the "current" made Lenz go away.

If you have achieved no drag by shorting through diode bridges, I suggest give this a try!

Elias

[elias]

Good info On AC circuits

AC circuits, alternating current electricity

[elias]

If it is creating energy where are the MIB ?

They are too busy nowadays.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Hi rod, thanks for that explanation.
You said, "They will never let the public have super conductors that is so obvious now. Can you see how a total 0 ohms coil would set us free? Thousands of amps with no heat."

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[elias]

We are doing the same thing.
he is making great videos and showing some fantastic results I also believe ever word. I have motors doing what he is doing.

Do any of you guys think you can replicate his work from the information he has presented. ?

I have never known what type of core material he has been using. That is very important.

[toranarod]

Thanks Rod.

Seems I need to get to my general electricity theory classes as soon as possible. I need to better understand how voltage and current can be out of phase. Any simple explanations of this? (I think I need to study better what voltage is)

The simplest explanation is.

Think of a capacitor with a battery and a switch and keep in mind moments in time.

At the very instant you connect the battery to the capacitor and close the switch. What happens? Two currents flow one from the battery to the capacitor and the other from the capacitor to the battery this is capacitive reactance

If you had a meter across the capacitor at the moment the switch closed what would you see?
The voltage on the meter would read 0 volts and as you know the current flow would be at maximum. There is your voltage and current out of Phase by 90 degrees. See how the voltage across the meter reads 0 and current reads maximum.
Now depending on the value of capacitance and the time going by the voltage will rise and current will fall. See how they move around the circuit out of sink.

With a coil the moment you close the switch it all works the other way around.
Current is at 0 and voltage is at maximum. The only problem is a coil also has resistance
Capacitor has not. They will never let the public have super conductors that is so obvious now. Can you see how a total 0 ohms coil would set us free? Thousands of amps with no heat.

With a coil the moments you close the switch two currents flow because of the magnetic field. One current flow from the coil to the battery and the other flows from the battery to the coil there are two currents in flux this is know as inductive reactance. Consumption of current with out dissipation of heat.

For us the issue is the resistance in the coil. And the current that flows because of it. Then the current that flows because of the coils reactance. Total is impedance. We can calculate them and separate the two value and manage them in different ways. Because they are out off phase.

This is why a switching power supply blows the chopper transistor out of the circuit when the oscillator stops working. The faster you switch the coil the less current it consumes. Stop switching the coil and allow just dc voltage to stabilize over time and
Current goes to maximum because the only thing left in the circuit is Resistance.

The Lenz less generator is no exception. For me until now I never looked at it from the other way around. Inducing the voltage form a magnetic field from a fixed magnet. Then working with the time lag of the current. What brilliant idea.

[plengo]

Extremely important experiment:

Transformer Delayed Lenz Effect - YouTube

Fausto.

[toranarod]

We are doing the same thing.
he is making great videos and showing some fantastic results I also believe ever word. I have motors doing what he is doing.

Do any of you guys think you can replicate his work from the information he has presented. ?

"Dare to be naive." ~ R. Buckminster Fuller - YouTube
This is a replicated the Muller motor.

[Farmhand]

ENERGY CAN BE CREATED ~ Theory of Conservation of Energy is False - YouTube

look at this , he has big rotor and input 200watts+ while he can add 84watts extra thru regenerative coils

I think this all comes down to the definition of "Energy" and "Work". I don't
think they are the same thing, and I don't think they can be just "universally"
exchanged for each other.

eg. If it takes "x" number of units of energy to move a number of objects from
point "a" to point "b" with a certain machine lets say 10 units of energy to
move 5 objects. Then with a different machine or method it takes only 5 units
of energy to move the same 5 objects, then this does not mean any "Energy"
was created. All it means is a more efficient way is possible to do the same
"work" or a way to do more "work" with the same "energy".

Now in a generator it takes a certain amount of "energy" to do the "work" of
turning the generator either efficiently or inefficiently regardless of if there is
a "load" being run from either way. A load can sometimes improve efficiency if
the generator is built so it is inefficient without load but more efficient with a
certain load.

The "work" of turning the generator is different "work" to the "work" of lighting
the lights. If the work of turning the generator is taking a lot of energy then
the work of turning the generator is made less or made easier by the load
removing the ability of the generator to create a potential as large as it did
before the load was added, then the rotor will speed up and the current input
will reduce. But the generator is at it's maximum output as well.

So Thane is saying that Energy = Work. Maybe that is true but - Which or
what work is he referring to ?

It is not that simple to say, "look the rotor speeds up and the input goes
down, I have created energy from nothing". Because even I won't believe
that.

It has been shown in Solid State setups that applying a load can sometimes
reduce the input current. In my opinion it is a bad thing, because it usually
indicates nearing the output capability of the setup in that particular state of
tune or configuration.

I don't see any extra "energy" or any "free" energy. I just see an inefficient
generator being "freed up" or overloaded for it's generating capability
compared to input EMF needed to sustain output.. Or something I'm no expert.

If it is creating energy where are the MIB ?

I still think many wonderful things are possible with rotating devices and I'm
100% in favor of all the research. But we need to be objective and ask the
difficult questions and demand answers where claims are made.

Cheers

[toranarod]

ENERGY CAN BE CREATED ~ Theory of Conservation of Energy is False - YouTube

look at this , he has big rotor and input 200watts+ while he can add 84watts extra thru regenerative coils

We are doing the same thing.
he is making great videos and showing some fantastic results I also believe ever word. I have motors doing what he is doing.

Do any of you guys think you can replicate his work from the information he has presented. ?