Muller generator replication by Romerouk

[qvision]

The new test-bed for a multi-magnet setup is now ready :

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/...1/DSC01475.jpg

24 neos 10x10mm, N42, 0.52 Tesla going North/South around the rotor.

Same drive coil/circuitry before, a-la-Bedini SSG with the charging component removed.


Wil post results,

[qvision]

Hey Shadesz, good to hear from you

Yes it was all at 18 volts, apart from when i did staged voltage tests and found odd behaviour, like unshorting the coil and the rotor didn't drop down back to it's open-circuit frequency ...

I'm still waiting on my good quality but very slow CNC man to poast my new endplates for the frame then it's Muller Time, as i believe they say in the USA ;+}

Glad to hear of your continuing success in education, good luck with the summer research program.

Best to all.

[MonsieurM]

I thought you guys might be interested in the vids posted by Duncan

from:http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post165319

gogreenbuildyourownmotionlesssolidstatefreeenergy. flv - YouTubeMindFreer's Channel - YouTube a/ also mindfree'r b/ rapidly moving magnetic flux and c/ This video has also been erased off you tube
There have been very few successful replications because a quirk of the system is the first drive has to be speed controllable and very efficient.
That led me to consider where the origins of this machine might have been formed and that leads to some almost forgotten work done in the 1950s combining the observation and experimentation of a French Prof Professor Maurice Allais - a genius before his time - as are they all Who noticed and then proved an anomaly in the action of the simple pendulum The work of the good prof was picked up by a particularly skilled watch and Clockmaker who went on to construct a mini mechanical universe complete with gravity and magnetism
In order to prove the work of Prof Allais. This work drives a coach and horses through current teaching.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8aWHtIVr54U/TrPHCMWx1KI/AAAAAAAAAEU/1bTTeA4uLgM/s246/IMG00066.GIF

Raoul Hatem made no attempt to patent his OU work who's benefit to the public good is obvious .
neither did he wish to attract the attention of of the American sharks and so for a long time he has been helping people install multi KW working systems like this one

https://picasaweb.google.com/102413219942796258330/November4201102#5671098427564668818

New Free Energy by George Mitchell - YouTubeLeon Raoul HATEM -- magnet motorAt rest (a) the magnets of both the drive and the slave rotor will fall into balanced equilibration at a point of equal attraction.
When the driven rotor is turned (b) there must be a certain amount of slip between the drive and the slave, The tendency is for the slave to accelerate in an impossible attempt to come into synchronous lock with the drive.
Of course should the drive be accelerated to fast or the load be increased to fast beyond a certain point the synchronous link is lost.

If the magnets are still an attraction, but the alternation create a sort of detent natural limit slippage.
The magnet blue central line is red attracts the magnet on the left, but if there is slippage, not only the magnet will retain the red blue, but the magnets are in the same orientation is also pushing to participate in maintaining magnet blue right in his window.

Whilst it is difficult at first sight to deduce a mathematical foundation for this natural acceleration effect in the first instance. It is possible to make a direct comparison of magnetic forces by alternating the magnetic poles. At rest (a) the driven rotor and the slave are again in balanced equilibrium.
However when being driven and slippage occurs there is natural cogging and the tendency is to retard.

Principle of Mentalism: the Universe is all Wave....

thank you for the lesson

ps: the same principle you mention works as well for a Muller generator

[Shadesz]

Hi, the core material is E160/M6/30, grain-oriented transformer I laminations.

I haven't tried getting the effect with ferrite as i haven't had much joy from ferrite.

Because my setup is a diametric magnet, though, there is one major flaw, that is that there is no moment for a coil when there is no magnetic field cutting it, because my magnet IS the rotor, so as soon as you try to have more than two coils things get spoilt because one coil always has a half North/half South field cutting it, which screws with the direction of the current and cancels out the other two coils when connected in series.

Couldn't you create two circuits with 4 coils? I mean couldn't you connect the coils directly apart from each other in series, and on a separate circuit connect the other two circuits (also across from each other) in series? That way you get the correct timing but 4 coils...

[Shadesz]

Hey friends!

Just checking in. I hope all is going well, both in the quest for free energy and most importantly in your personal lives. I have been so busy with school. I am trying to position myself for some good results later. For instance, I am trying to get into a summer research program at a University back east (USA) that is dedicated to alternative energy processes.

The type of experience and learning I am, and will yet receive, will help me contribute so much more to our quest! I haven't given up on you! I have just been busy getting a better base so I can serve the world better.

It is great to see that qvision has ALSO been able to achieve a reduction in input (assuming equal volts input, correct?) while seeing an INCREASE in speed output! This is still where it is guys. We just have to keep learning till we can do it on purpose and extract the extra energy.

Having said that, does anyone else have any info, data, findings, or even ideas to report? Lets keep it moving forward.

I do sort of. Recently I have been thinking about long distance power transmission. If we can model our pickup circuit like a long distance power line wouldn't that minimize the current, thus minimize lenz drag, while still letting us convert the voltage to current somewhere else? This is a different pitch than lenz acceleration, but maybe a mix of the two would be the best result?

Anyways, I have some engineering assignments to get done. Again, I hope all is going well!

[Dave45]

I have messaged toranarod but no reply, anyone in contact with him ?

He probably discovered anti-gravity and ended up on the Moon or something ;+}



Best to all,

DC.

I bet he did

[qvision]

Hi, the core material is E160/M6/30, grain-oriented transformer I laminations.

I haven't tried getting the effect with ferrite as i haven't had much joy from ferrite.

Because my setup is a diametric magnet, though, there is one major flaw, that is that there is no moment for a coil when there is no magnetic field cutting it, because my magnet IS the rotor, so as soon as you try to have more than two coils things get spoilt because one coil always has a half North/half South field cutting it, which screws with the direction of the current and cancels out the other two coils when connected in series.

When connected in parallel i don't get acceleration let alone overspeeding.

I am switching to a Muller-style multi-magnet rotor this week, i'm just waiting for some parts to be delivered.

In the meantime i've been testing like crazy.

Frequency is very important with this effect, with a high enough frequency any coil with any of the popular core materials can accelerate-under-load.

Since i was using a single magnet as a rotor i could get up to 500 Hz easily so it was a good test-bed in order to exp[lore the effect but now it's time to build a device that will use the effect to explore power generation.

I have messaged toranarod but no reply, anyone in contact with him ?

He probably discovered anti-gravity and ended up on the Moon or something ;+}



Best to all,

DC.

[kEhYo77]

No, I haven't tried it yet in this config but for those who want to do so the sim can help a bit.

[skaght]

kEhYo77--Are you implying from the circuit simulator that you can get approximately 20x more power out at the LED than the driving AC source??? And that you can do this with a solid state circuit? Have you tried building this circuit? Or am I misunderstanding something...

[kEhYo77]

In some of the 'acceleration under load' videos Romero showed this attached circuit to be responsible for the speedup effect.
I did a simulation of that replacing Hall sensor with a zener diode.
The result is blinking led with power disipation shown on the right graph and on the left we've got power taken from the rotor...

Generator Coil Speedup Circuit Simulation

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Yes qvision, thanks for sharing those results, very encouraging. Maybe it's already posted, though what is the core material, thanks.
Hi xvisionxx, was that a mistaken copy and paste post you made, since I recall writing that myself some time ago.
peace love light
tyson

[elias]

Test results, 500g of 0.25mm, bifilar-wound, series-connected, laminated-core coil.

This coil/core combination overspeeds the rotor when shorted.


Rotor with no coil/core present.

Hz : 450
mA : 443

Rotor with coil/core present, open-circuit.

Hz : 450
mA : 438

Rotor with coil/core persent, short-circuit.

Hz : 455
mA 433

Video here :

Exploring the Heins Effect, a coil/core combination that overspeeds the rotor. - YouTube


Thanks for reading,

QV.

THAT is a GREAT result! You are clearly showing that your coil is driving the rotor. Have you been able to achieve that effect with a Muller type rotor? Have you seen such an effect with a ferrite core?

Edit:
I have heard that the Rodin coil possesses much higher inductance for the same wire length, so I have built a Rodin coil, which I am going to perform some measurements on it this afternoon, lets see This type of coil can help us, make the most use of the acceleration effect.

[chalamadad]

Hi

Yes, I think sewing bobbins were used as coils.

5 Empty Plasic Bobbins for Brother Sewing Machine NEW | eBay

Funny, I am using those. But the ones on ebay seem expensive, I had them in a box of yarn, maybe a dozen or so, and removed the yarn from those. Interestingly they are the same size as Romeros coils were. But they can melt if getting too hot.

[cubalibre]

Hi

Yes, I think sewing bobbins were used as coils.

5 Empty Plasic Bobbins for Brother Sewing Machine NEW | eBay

Where is toranarod?

Have a nice day
cubalibre

[Dave45]

Bobbins: Ferrite & Core Forms
mmm sorry I think he used sowing spools