Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[Jbignes5]

What we got here...

Listen stop letting the good Doctor effect your experiment. He didn't see any value in it before and still he doesn't see any value in it. But we do! The funny thing is when he showed the hybrid video at the end he says that the battery is gaining in voltage then says this can't be charging the battery then the video cuts off... ROFL...

It doesn't matter who found it first. The only thing that matters is that it is being experimented on.

With The JT I can run a great many leds and get the desired output of light that I need from only what flow of potential the captret will provide. The captret is not a current device. It is a voltage only device and to boot it will raise the voltage of the battery but as I and others have said it is a fluffy charge but when dealing with voltage only devices like Leds that works out great.

If no one has noticed while playing with the captret and leds that you can get weird results from the leds when you use your own body to connect the leads from the led to the captret. It lights almost the same so this potential coming from the captret is a much different beast then a heavy current producing device. This can show you how this energy of potential only can be conducted without loss across even resistors. The components you use in the circuits change in the way they react to this flow. Resistors do not convert this energy or flow but plainly hold this flow back like a dam. It is strange to see this and goes to show you that this separation of current from voltage is a real event and one that does not conform to traditional electronics theories.

We hear from a certain group that once you learn what electronics are you will change your opinion of this effect but to tell you the truth it does not follow any of the traditional theories we have. There is nothing in our theories that deals with a total separation of current from voltage. So this is where I say I know traditional theories and this does not fit in any description we have. Traditional electronics will never tell why this works, ever. So you can stop beating the drum that we lack the understanding of what is going on. Even the great Doctor was miffed that the battery was charging or appeared so.

Keep going Ibpointless2 you are in a new area of exploration and you will devise the rules that govern this new effect with the help of people who understand that there are more components to energy flows then we suspect.

[ibpointless2]

I don't think my Water captret is really a water captret, but it does show some capacitor and electret effect it just i don't want to confuse people with names. I name things the way i see it, and the water captret is just water and it acts like a capacitor and a electret so the name might stick. But for the record the water captret and the regular captret are two different thing that happen to be very same, if that makes any sense.

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

So in-fact the water captret are merely batteries, when used produce hydrogen. So that voltage amiplication i was seeing in this video YouTube - Water Captret has negative resistance and produces Hydrogen was merely do to the fact that the water captret is a battery that was put in series to give me more voltage. So if you think this who experiment is a bust, you're forgetting that in order to have a water battery you needed two dissimilar metals but yet the water captret is the same metals that use regular old tap water- this is amazing.

The water captrets can be used by them selfs as batteries and they can be hooked in parallel and charge a capacitor too. when you do use them bubbles start to form on the pates and i believe they're hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. Whats even more crazy is that you can short the water captret out and bubbles will start form, so even when shorted its producing power. YouTube - Electrolysis with no power source needed.MP4
its crazy to think that you can make hydrogen without any power needed.

So this is what i've seen so far, its easy to copy this experiment and cheap too so please do try yourself.

[ibpointless2]

@Ibpointless:
Thank you for your explanation of the dimming effect of the led. I would tend to agree except for if I add another led(s) to the circuit, they will not light also, which would light when the battery has a normal charge at the same voltage. If there was a Real charge this would not be happening. The battery is dead when my analog meter says it has a charge, but there is no charge, just fluff. I'm seeing a false reading. As soon as any other load is added, the false fluffy voltage drops to almost nothing.
The batteries are draining even though they are not directly connected to the circuit, but are indirectly being discharged.
I do think that there is a way around this, and I'm working on it. The main thing is to keep the voltage from dropping (small solar panel, maybe), as once the small batteries drop from their higher combined voltages, the thrill is gone.
NZ

I think your batteries might be deader than dead, when played with it i used at least 9 volts with 7 volts in them or higher.

If the battery is draining when connected to nothing then it might not be the best battery to use, there could be a internal short or a defective piece.

My original LED captret driver never gave me self charging beyond what i start4ed with, another circuit did and i think thats where most people get confused. The regular LED captret driver circuit would drop the voltage at first and then slowly climb back up, this amazing for me as i never seen this happen before, usually if it dropped it would keep dropping.

As for the REAL self charging and not the amazing bounce back the best explanation or experiment i could give was this. YouTube - The secret behind the self charging captret
You can try this experiment but it will take time. The reason why the Captret seem to be faster was the fact that it made one capacitor into two capacitors. I did experiments with this idea of capacitor charging this by taking two capacitors, one bigger than the other with bigger Milli farad count, and connecting the + to + and - to -. Before connecting them i let them sit for at least 12 hours to get a standing voltage on them and i recorded it. After letting them sit connected up the voltage was higher than the bigger capacitors voltage, How could that be? The bigger cap should have charged the Little cap and as the little charge the bigger cap should have lost power, so in the end they both should have less but they didn't. They both self charged them selves.

This video shows the self charging capacitors YouTube - Capacitors self charging off each other

Hope this helps.

[NickZ]

@Ibpointless:
Thank you for your explanation of the dimming effect of the led. I would tend to agree except for if I add another led(s) to the circuit, they will not light also, which would light when the battery has a normal charge at the same voltage. If there was a Real charge this would not be happening. The battery is dead when my analog meter says it has a charge, but there is no charge, just fluff. I'm seeing a false reading. As soon as any other load is added, the false fluffy voltage drops to almost nothing.
The batteries are draining even though they are not directly connected to the circuit, but are indirectly being discharged.
I do think that there is a way around this, and I'm working on it. The main thing is to keep the voltage from dropping (small solar panel, maybe), as once the small batteries drop from their higher combined voltages, the thrill is gone.
NZ

[plengo]

I started a new thread about the Captret and Tesla Switch experiment.

Captret and Tesla switch

Fausto.

[ibpointless2]

I've been working on the Captret- Jt for a while now. And have made quite a few of them, but I was about to throw in the towel... then my 10 cap Jt - Captret started charging up again, and the led went bright. A couple volts higher reading than the discharged batteries had this morning 12 hours ago. Up to now most of the time the batteries went down, down. down, down, and down. But every once in a while, it kicks in, like magic...
I'm still working on it, though, as It does seam to go through a cycle, somehow.
Why is it the after a week Ibpointless's Captret was still running, but the led was almost out.
If the batteries are kept charged up, why is there almost no light coming from the Led? Is it charging and discharging itself? I've seen this myself and I wonder... Anyone???

I wish there was a definite answer but due to the fact that every capacitor is made different we all will see different results. I never could figure out why my first selfcharging captret worked, but i figured it had to do something with the capacitor itself and even made a video about a capacitor self charging.
YouTube - The secret behind the self charging captret
For some reason the Captret would charge faster thou.

What made no sense in the self charging one was the fact that the LED was still lit, when a capacitor is full it becomes a open circuit so the LED should be off and should also not be charging the battery.

One big difference in mine was that i never used the JT circuit, so that was a reason for the low LED light. Also I've tried to tell people to be patient, I've still have one self charging capacitor still running since October 2010 and its only gain .10 volts. But like you said, once it does start its like magic. Not every captret is the same and even if they came from the same package they might not be the same when made into the captret.

And why if the batteries are charging up why is the LED going out? Simple, as the captret fills up just like a capacitor filling up less power can go to the LED so the LED gets dimmer and its the fact that most of the time in selfcharging circuit the LED won't fully go out. So the captret is full and like a crowded room the power can't easily get out and if its too full no power can get out.

[NickZ]

I've been working on the Captret- Jt for a while now. And have made quite a few of them, but I was about to throw in the towel... then my 10 cap Jt - Captret started charging up again, and the led went bright. A couple volts higher reading than the discharged batteries had this morning 12 hours ago. Up to now most of the time the batteries went down, down. down, down, and down. But every once in a while, it kicks in, like magic...
I'm still working on it, though, as It does seam to go through a cycle, somehow.
Why is it the after a week Ibpointless's Captret was still running, but the led was almost out.
If the batteries are kept charged up, why is there almost no light coming from the Led? Is it charging and discharging itself? I've seen this myself and I wonder... Anyone???

[ricksl]

i have to say i still fail to comprehend why dr stiffler connects it backwards in the vid when in his captret thread on his website it clearly shows him explaining the phantom diode effect with the cathode end on the can with the anode off of the negative rail of the capacitor. and if you read his eseg page he even uses this effect and the high i guess resistance (impedance?) presented with this to put charge back into the battery using an exciter.

I do like the other captret configuration in which the led itself has its cathode touched to the top of the capacitor as its annode is connected to the positive of the capacitor. i found if you tap it momentarily and then allow charge to build then you can keep tapping it allowing a few seconds between taps. after doing that a few times you can still discharge between pos <> neg legs.

not sure if this is new or not (sry haven't fallowed captret too closely) but i just haven't seen anyone talk about the recharge between the top <> pos leg

[plengo]

Captret updates.

I have been also testing this "captret" and in one of my experiments I am trying to utilize the "excess energy" in short periods of time directly to a battery. I simply switch from 2 sets of captrets back and forth into a lead acid battery.

Voltages are my measurement for the "state of charge of the battery". An LED is used when the "excess energy" is directed back to the driving batteries, in essence getting free light for no measurable cost.

My premise is that if the battery voltage does not go down but goes up in a long run (at least a week) I think I can consider the voltage as a first proof of free energy (at least enough proof to show that the battery is not being consumed).

Diagram attached. Video will be posted soon on my youtube channel.

Fausto.

It only means you're doing excellent work.

Hello Ibp2,

Excellent work on the 3-plate water capacitor. With regard to self-charging and the membrane-polarization affect on electrolytes, I have found some research on this topic (please see attachment). Although the document only has a brief citation about self-charging, this would validate the electret property of the dielectric. It is exciting to think that this affect can be improved with home made 3-plated caps!

I for one believe that the work you are doing is not only genuine, but ground breaking in its simplicity, theory-to-practice, and reproducibility. These are the hallmarks of objective applied science and for the most part, the scientific method. Of all the topics I have investigated on this forum, I have found this the most enlightening. You've freely shared your work in a professional manner to other thinking members (regardless of social standing) without pontificating or fear-mongering.

I have turned my nephew (engineering grad) onto this, and he's blown away. Just know that a lot work is being put into this thanks to you. I am sure that you will be rewarded for your efforts. Keep up the good work.

BTW, just to clear the air, some of us know COINTELPRO when we see it!

Best regards,

[Joit]

I am with you Ibpointless.
It mostly doesnt really matter, who did find something, but who goes further on with it, before he trow it.
When someone say, its to dangerous for him to play with it,
then he should stay off from here and from the Captret.
It doesnt help anyone to sproad bad mood around just for her Egos,
and even more doesnt it help, to protect anything for rebuilds,
because someone wanna stick a Label about intellectual property on it.

[ibpointless2]

Now its making perfect sense....

Conradphd created a thread to put down my Captret ideas, by posting non-sense. You can find the thread here... http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...apacitors.html

Now who is the this conradphd? well he's conrad, which is stifflers friend. So instead of Stiffler making the thread Conrad did. Stiffler didn't want his name on the thread so he got Conrad to make it so that he himself could chime in and back conrad up.

But if you read the Thread you'll find that the captret is no real danger, or at least less dangerous than the SEC exciter Stiffler made. In fact, the reason why some capacitors failed was that they're were used in the SEC exciter, which produces harmful high voltages.


I really don't know why Stiffler would go to great lengths, what did i ever do to him? I really don't know why he must keep spreading lies and non-sense about the Captret? I'm just doing my own thing, and for some odd reason this upsets him.

[ibpointless2]

Truly sad that you are unable to discern the differences from what Dr. Stiffler is doing and what you claim you are doing and seeing. I'm sure after continued experience you will obtain a better insight into electronics and look back and have a good laugh.

Like i said I'm doing something very different than what Stiffler is doing.

[ibpointless2]

Once again Stiffler must repost a video that was done wrong from the start, He was was trying to make a captret LED driver circuit but hook the positive to the can of the cap when he should have hooked the negative to the can of the cap.
YouTube - Is the Captret Safe and is it a 'Copy' of Dr Stifflers 2008 Work

He also keeps spreading lies, such as the cap will explode. When i and many other have not seen any exploding when the capacitor is used within it's proper voltage range. The Captret is less harmful than the SEC exciters that he uses, and the reason why the capacitors fail was due to them being used in the SEC exciters, which gives off dangerous high voltage that destroys the capacitors.

The Captret is its own thing. The name Captret was given to it because it was a Capacitor that acted like a electret. All my studies with the captret are very different that what Stifflers doing. My experiments are made to be simple and based around the captret. While Stifflers experiments are complex and made around the SEC exciters. All work Stiffler did with his own version can be found here, http://67.76.235.52/e_seg01.asp

All the Work I'm doing with the Captret is here:

On This very forum you'll find most of the diagrams.

Captret - Capacitor and Electret

Able to blink a LED Twice for the price of one Charge
YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

This is the circuit that stiffler got wrong, Even though He created something Like the captret he fails to make it work. Heres video of mine working.
YouTube - Captret LED Driver circuit

Video of my Captret that would self charge the battery and run a LED.
YouTube - Self charging Captret still running and LED still lit

Video of the Captret amplifying the voltage of a AA battery.
YouTube - Captret amplifies voltage

Video of the Captret Blinking a LED for a long time off one Charge.
YouTube - Captret Forever Blinking

The captret running with a 120 LED 1.5 Watt light bulb, the captret needed only half the watts. YouTube - Captret Lights a LED bulb for half the needed power

Homemade Water Captret that puts out more voltage than whats put into it.
YouTube - More Voltage out than in -- Water Captret




You guys decide, am I doing what Stifflers doing or am i doing something different.

And Stifflers i know you're reading these post, you can post if you want, I never said you couldn't.

[conradphd]

I'm sure Stiffler was not the first to make the captret, i've heard of Tesla using 3 plate capacitor and some advanced Physics books have questions that deal with 3 plate capacitors.


Its not a matter of whom made it first, but a matter of that Stiffler mocked me and the captret idea and then goes on to use it in a video. He said that the Captret was nothing special and that no "self charging" was happening, but yet in his latest video's he shows a 12 volt battery starting to climb and you can clearly see a Captret or what ever he wants to call it. So if it not anything special then why is the battery charging? If it was nothing special why did he revisit it after 2 years, weeks after i posted a thread on the topic.

I've never heard of Stiffler before i made the captret thread. I was one day playing with capacitors and decided to see if the the case holds a charge and one thing lead to another.

What Makes the captret different than Stifflers is its simplicity. No SEC exciter needed, no complex circuits or components. The Captret is for the average joe, a man who can't afford a expensive lab with new never before seen transistors. The Captret give anyone a chance to explore and think, that is what makes the Captret special.

Stiffler needs to learn that he's not the most important person in the world, and if he keeps that attitude then he is most surely to not get anywhere.

Truly sad that you are unable to discern the differences from what Dr. Stiffler is doing and what you claim you are doing and seeing. I'm sure after continued experience you will obtain a better insight into electronics and look back and have a good laugh.