Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[CosmicFarmer]

Six days later... still holding same voltage with a small light...

I think your math for 12 days for a 9volt should be multiplied because atleast for me I am not seeing full brightness... maybe make the cutoff a month. If there is no voltage change in a month, then it might be something.

[automan]

My captret circuits

Hey all,
IBpointless asked me to post my schematics as I often try unique things, so if anyone is interested here is the link to them.

Cheers

http://users.wowway.com/~lowendking/index.html

[Jbignes5]

Well my thought was this...

I did it only mention, because some others seems automatically think,
this Circuit will bload Capacitor.
It dont. The one it did bload for me was very less bloaded,
and i did play a lot around there with Diodes and other Elements.
A Friend of me did pop once some Caps but therefor you really need
to put Energy in or/and connect them in the wrong way.
With such current flows what we have here, i even dont think it will blow,
only slightly bload, till it rips on on top,
Therefor are this notches at Top.
Well, again, nothing do happens with the Cap when you connect it,
like shown here in the basic Captret Circuit,
and i dont know, what some Peoples did do try,
and then her Cap did bload.

I do even use a charged Batterie, and also an 9VAccu,
both are not empty, but there is nothing like bloading Caps.

I connected the Captret afterwards again, untill i did not see charging,
just to have the Voltage at the Batterie stable.
Or even after a while it did slowly drop again.
Now i connected the Captret additional, and it gains charge again,
since today the last 7h my Battery rised from 7,46 to 7,55, thats 0,1V.
But it is anyway for me only for observing, if something will changing,
when i add different Things.
For now, seems the Captret is a basic Eleement,
The Hull should be a Minus Potential, because it works like this well.
I will look further into the Led, because they are now very dim,
and it seems they work on her limit, that is about 3,3V.
I am guessing, that the pumping effect is between the conducting
and non conducting Cycle of them.
Maybe it needs another Led at the unpoled Caps part,
but that is spreading my Assumptions again,
and actually i would only post, what i did try for now.

It was reported that cap were getting damaged. I did get a cap to take damage from the captret but it was because of an old cap and because it could not handle the new method to use it.

My design of 2.0 was only a way to avoid this accusation by a person who I trusted. I am now of the thought that this was only done to discredit the effect. One of the factors was that he was using a battery known to be good and had a decent charge on it. This was not the scope of this experiment.

I set out initially to investigate the captret and how it functions. The 2.0 circuit is not in my opinion correct and I have set out again to fully investigate the components that I am missing. Like I said I am in the process of redesigning the circuit to more closely mirror or simulate this captret effect if it can be done. If not then maybe we can redesign the captret to fully handle the pressures of the new use of the electrolytic cap.

[Joit]

I did it only mention, because some others seems automatically think,
this Circuit will bload Capacitor.
It dont. The one it did bload for me was very less bloaded,
and i did play a lot around there with Diodes and other Elements.
A Friend of me did pop once some Caps but therefor you really need
to put Energy in or/and connect them in the wrong way.
With such current flows what we have here, i even dont think it will blow,
only slightly bload, till it rips on on top,
Therefor are this notches at Top.
Well, again, nothing do happens with the Cap when you connect it,
like shown here in the basic Captret Circuit,
and i dont know, what some Peoples did do try,
and then her Cap did bload.

I do even use a charged Batterie, and also an 9VAccu,
both are not empty, but there is nothing like bloading Caps.

I connected the Captret afterwards again, untill i did not see charging,
just to have the Voltage at the Batterie stable.
Or even after a while it did slowly drop again.
Now i connected the Captret additional, and it gains charge again,
since today the last 7h my Battery rised from 7,46 to 7,55, thats 0,1V.
But it is anyway for me only for observing, if something will changing,
when i add different Things.
For now, seems the Captret is a basic Eleement,
The Hull should be a Minus Potential, because it works like this well.
I will look further into the Led, because they are now very dim,
and it seems they work on her limit, that is about 3,3V.
I am guessing, that the pumping effect is between the conducting
and non conducting Cycle of them.
Maybe it needs another Led at the unpoled Caps part,
but that is spreading my Assumptions again,
and actually i would only post, what i did try for now.

[Jbignes5]

Actually....

Actually my point was to use the poled cap the way it was meant to be used. Using the hull as a cap/inductor/diode is not what it was designed to do. In fact this is probably the whole reason it fails and explodes. The additional forces that get applied to the electrolytic cap push it apart very easily when even a moderate amount of voltage is present. Couple that with using the poled cap in the opposite polarity (-) and you can see why it would come apart easier when there is an additional force axially along the cap. This is what is causing the bulging not a gassing effect. The plates are pushing against each other then sliding apart axially. Usually this would not be a problem in most cases because we are using dead batteries but it has been shown that using moderately charged batteries increases these forces and deforms the capacitor.

As I go along I will be adding a fuse just in case because we are using the captret without monitoring the setup constantly. If we do get a good charging captret design this could get dangerous and we should protect ourselves as has been suggested.

[Joit]

[ibpointless2]

Was your capacitor that you use as a captret was it used or new? Was it ever used for anything else? Do you know the voltage it was before hooking it up?

[Jbignes5]

Yeah my simulation is not complete...

I am still working on the simulation. Although I have made progress it still hasn't charged my battery yet. Although it has ran without loss either. There is an inductive component That I am working on to facilitate the charging back flow into the battery. Like I said I am working on it and have made some progress.

The trick to the charging is to have an unequal inductive flow. The drive side of the inductor, which is a torrus, needs a bit of tweeking from me. What I have attempted to do is that as the flow goes from the drive side it drives the charging side this causes a difference in voltage back to the led and twords the battery positive or something like that in pulses....

I will put up a shot of it when i get it finished...

[Joit]

[ibpointless2]

I've built the Jbignes Circuit multiple times, and i must thanks for the great work to make the captret better. But the simulation seem not to be the same.

I've hooked it many batteries and it always would drain the battery. One battery had a standing voltage of 7.49, then it dropped down to 6.34 volts and then 6.33 and it kept falling. A normal captret would have either dropped and gone up from there or never have dropped and gone up from there.

Also when i tried it with a 12 volts it blew out the LED, I've had the captret run upto 36 volts without damaging the LED.

I've made the Jbignes Circuit captret like his diagram says but i don't see the captret effect anywhere. Do you guy who say it work was there any speical procedure you did before hooking it up?

I would like to thank Jbignes for his work!

I would like to see a captret simulation so that we can further the effect but as it stands the simple mod to capacitor is working very well and safe too.

[Joit]

Played around last 2 Days with a mix of Jbignes Circuit and
add a Capret last Days.
Batterie did charge up from 7,64 to 7,76 at 24h,
Thats 0,12V indeed not much,
but nothing else to say about it.
Afterwards when i connect the Led to the Batterie, it shows it still has its Power.
Just that some Peoples dont see anymore, how ridicoulus
her helpless attempts of debunking are.
I ll stay quiet for now, because i can enjoy to laugh into her Face.

[gravityblock]

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If this is the case, then carry on.

GB

[Jbignes5]

Don't let gravity fool you...

"Ibpointless2" was a code name I had for software that i wrote, the software didn't last but the name i liked.

I'm not going to argue with you gravityblock, no one said you had to come to this thread. If you don't like it then don't comment, its that simple.

I don't intend to make the community look like a joke, you're only instigating it. I created this thread because i could get a LED to light in a unusual manner, i never expected it to be where it is now. I and many others are seeing unusual things coming from the captret.

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If you Gravityblock have nothing productive to add to the captret idea then just leave and bug someone else.







Some math for others, to put things in perspective. Again correct me if i'm wrong.
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1 Ampere (A) = 1 Coulomb per sec (C/s)
1 Hour (hr) = 3600 seconds (s)
Ampere-hour = A * hr = (C/s) * hr = (C/s) * 3600s = 3600C

596mAh = .596* 3600C
=2145.6 C/hr

5mm LED = 2mA
2mA= .002 *3600C
=7.2 C/hr

So the LED can run for 298 hours, or 12.41 days.

So if your dead 9 volt battery runs for more than 13 days then you got something.

The Led I bought say's 20ma @ 3.7volts constant. Of course the less you put into it the less light you get. Once the led latches on of course you can drop the flow of current down. Thats not the point the point is that batteries have been recharging even while we have all the bad connections (resistance) and everything else you can muster we will still end up draining some voltage from the dead batteries we are using.

Lets try a simple experiment. Get your led and resistor grab a capacitor and hook it up across the battery. It will light up and slowly dim out to nothing. So this proves that there is something going on here beyond just a cap holding a charge.

Anyways has no one payed attention to the Lasersaber videos?

[ibpointless2]

@All,

ibpointless2 is making a Joke out of this community. Don't be a part of this. "I be pointless too" should be a dead give-away. Don't you guys get it, or is this going over your heads also?

GB

"Ibpointless2" was a code name I had for software that i wrote, the software didn't last but the name i liked.

I'm not going to argue with you gravityblock, no one said you had to come to this thread. If you don't like it then don't comment, its that simple.

I don't intend to make the community look like a joke, you're only instigating it. I created this thread because i could get a LED to light in a unusual manner, i never expected it to be where it is now. I and many others are seeing unusual things coming from the captret.

The captret is no joking matter, it and like other things need to be studied so that we can further our knowledge.

If you Gravityblock have nothing productive to add to the captret idea then just leave and bug someone else.







Some math for others, to put things in perspective. Again correct me if i'm wrong.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Ampere (A) = 1 Coulomb per sec (C/s)
1 Hour (hr) = 3600 seconds (s)
Ampere-hour = A * hr = (C/s) * hr = (C/s) * 3600s = 3600C

596mAh = .596* 3600C
=2145.6 C/hr

5mm LED = 2mA
2mA= .002 *3600C
=7.2 C/hr

So the LED can run for 298 hours, or 12.41 days.

So if your dead 9 volt battery runs for more than 13 days then you got something.

[gravityblock]

@All,

ibpointless2 is making a Joke out of this community. Don't be a part of this. "I be pointless too" should be a dead give-away. Don't you guys get it, or is this going over your heads also?

GB