Captret - Perpetual Light with Dead Batteries

[ibpointless2]

So i'm testing out if you can take two capacitors in parallel with a battery and then disconnect them from the battery and hook them up in series to see if they will charge the battery. I'm charging two 10F 2.3volt super caps with a AA 1.359 volt battery.

First off what i notice is that the caps will drain the battery but as the caps fill up the voltage on the battery goes back up.

Of course before testing i shorted out the super caps. Will connect it in series to see if it will charge it. I'll post more later.

[Magnethos]

here are the websites

Where are these websites that we can read at?

Bedini
THE TESLA SWITCH
scalar wave battery charger

Jean Louis Naudin

[Jbignes5]

It should flash for an incredible amount of time...

@all, Happy Thanksgiving!

@jbigness
Is this what you mean?

YouTube - Captret Forever Blinking

It seems like it would flash forever.

I know this by playing with this effect like you have described. I have not monitored the charge level on the +,- connections and someone should do that asap to see if it is reducing the main charge on the normal poles of the cap and what correlation it has with each other to see if we are tapping the source properly.

I have a sneaky suspicion that the negative plate is holding the charge of the positive when we use the 0,+ hook up. We have to look at this like there is two complete correlations here. One of the o,+(+,-) and the other of the o,-(+,-). Both seem to have a virtual capacitance between the hull. Albeit a small charge forms there it is the reason you see more voltage from the o,+ connection when referenced between the other 0,- and +,-. Lets say that the o,+(+,-) might read 10 volts when compared to the o,-(+,-) at 9.3 volts. There does seem to be a virtual diode there and even the best diodes we have today have a capacitance relation to the junction of the p,n material. With just this knowledge we can infer that the capacitance of the hull to +,- is why that virtual diode appears. I think in this case the minimum voltage to turn on this diode would be in reference to the electrolyte in the cap and how it forms a third plate so to speak between the real cap terminals of +,- and the new o terminals when negative is connected to the cap hull. I am still under the impression that induction plays a role as well in the real connection between this hull and each plate of the cap.

I see that in this case the non powered source of the cap itself would not pose a threat as in the constantly powered original captret because the forces would not be so high to push the plates apart from the constant pressure of the old source like a battery. I think this would only get better as the quality of the cap becomes higher since self discharge would be lowered in the higher quality caps like super caps or even Ultra caps. With the Utlra caps being our best example. This way we are not using the cap any different then the way it was designed to be used under normal charging rules. I would be interested to see if someone could get a cap to ramp up into higher voltages and see if this has an amplifying effect or stronger reaction to the hull tap.

Another avenue of exploration would be to inductively spike the cap between the battery and cap to raise the voltage into the cap and let it convert the negative to a positive potential which I think the cap does. If we switch to drive the negative side we should see if this does indeed change the polarity of the charge into a positive charge by tapping the hull to neg plate. If I am wrong then I am wrong but we might be able to use a buck boost circuit before the cap and let that charge the cap up and convert it through its natural balance feature of this junction between the three plates and might be able to access it through the positive plate and hull virtual diode or some combination there of.

[ibpointless2]

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

Where are these websites that we can read at?

[Jbignes5]

Yes it can.

So can this be done with a complete circuit with say using mosfets? just giving ideas.
Thanks

I believe this can be done in many many different ways from purely mechanical to solid state circuits.

This is the method to get way more out then in by not touching the caps main charge. In fact this is the very reason that when used in a traditional sense the caps recharge themselves to a limited amount.

Lets do it like this. Charge a cap in the normal fashion then measure the charge on the cap and each pole to the caps casing. I bet there is a correlation between the two poles and how much an electrolytic self recharges. Since we are doing it in reverse there is way more to gain then using the cap in a traditional method.

This is the perfect example of using a source without touching that source. You are right about the time aspect as well. It takes a bit for it to become stronger but what if we multiplied that by 10 or 100 or even 1000 in parallel? I have proved experimentally that the amount of units that the captret is in parallel amplifies this strength. My multi captrets provide a stronger effect then a single unit. Hence using multiple captret in parallel is the way to go.

[Guruji]

Captret

the first thing we need to do is to build a "capacitive power source". It means that you need to charge a capacitor bank with the power of a battery, disconnect the caps from the power source and then run things with the energy stored in the caps, using the (+,o) connections.
If you're able to run a small motor or a small light bulb with that energy, then we can perform the next task.

second, verify or discard the theory that you can recharge a battery with its own energy. that test is more easy. using only the classic connections (+ and -) you need to charge a couple of caps in series, disconect them from the battery, connect them in parallel and dischage them into the same battery. if there is some evidence that the battery can be self charged, then you will have a super efficient vacuum energy generator.

So can this be done with a complete circuit with say using mosfets? just giving ideas.
Thanks

[Magnethos]

the first thing we need to do is to build a "capacitive power source". It means that you need to charge a capacitor bank with the power of a battery, disconnect the caps from the power source and then run things with the energy stored in the caps, using the (+,o) connections.
If you're able to run a small motor or a small light bulb with that energy, then we can perform the next task.

second, verify or discard the theory that you can recharge a battery with its own energy. that test is more easy. using only the classic connections (+ and -) you need to charge a couple of caps in series, disconect them from the battery, connect them in parallel and dischage them into the same battery. if there is some evidence that the battery can be self charged, then you will have a super efficient vacuum energy generator.

[ibpointless2]

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

I believe the best way to go about this is to charge the two caps in series, then disconnect them from the battery. Discharge from the o to the + and disconnect that and then discharge from the + and -. You get double the discharge for the price of one. I've done this with a basic LED, shown here ....

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

Two flashes for the price of one charge could be applied to charging a battery; charge the battery once with the capacitors then discharge from the captret and then from the normal leads of the capacitor. It should charge twice as fast?

[ibpointless2]

You can go more then one flash from the o,?.... Many many times you can flash from there.

@all, Happy Thanksgiving!

@jbigness
Is this what you mean?

YouTube - Captret Forever Blinking

It seems like it would flash forever.

[Jbignes5]

more than one flash...

I agree i've made a video showing that you can flash a LED twice for the price of one.

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

You can go more then one flash from the o,?.... Many many times you can flash from there.

[ibpointless2]

This is exactly how we should approach this. In fact loading the cap up does in fact let you use the o,+ or o,- to get way more work out of the cap then using it in the traditional mode. I have been able to use the o,+ or 0,- to flash and led for a very long time. It just pulses away and doesn't seem to loose anything at all.

Another approach would be to pulse the 0,? into another cap and when it gets charged up enough to dump it into the battery. I haven't started on that method yet because I think I might be onto why this effect is happening in the original captret device. I hate to keep everyone in the dark over this but I want to be absolutely sure that I have a simulation that accurately models the captret. It is coming along and the design has changed many times in the process. I am still working on it and it will hopefully be more then what I presented the last time.

Lets keep this going and see where we can take this. All ideas should be presented and processed to see if we can get even more out of the captret.

This is not about me or anyone else. Lets make this about just finding out what this effect is and try to amplify this and make it useful.

I agree i've made a video showing that you can flash a LED twice for the price of one.

YouTube - Explain this Captret Effect DrStiffler

[Jbignes5]

Yes...

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

This is exactly how we should approach this. In fact loading the cap up does in fact let you use the o,+ or o,- to get way more work out of the cap then using it in the traditional mode. I have been able to use the o,+ or 0,- to flash and led for a very long time. It just pulses away and doesn't seem to loose anything at all.

Another approach would be to pulse the 0,? into another cap and when it gets charged up enough to dump it into the battery. I haven't started on that method yet because I think I might be onto why this effect is happening in the original captret device. I hate to keep everyone in the dark over this but I want to be absolutely sure that I have a simulation that accurately models the captret. It is coming along and the design has changed many times in the process. I am still working on it and it will hopefully be more then what I presented the last time.

Lets keep this going and see where we can take this. All ideas should be presented and processed to see if we can get even more out of the captret.

This is not about me or anyone else. Lets make this about just finding out what this effect is and try to amplify this and make it useful.

[Magnethos]

A possible solution?

After reading some things about capacitors "abnormal" effects, This could be a possible solution:

1. Charge 2 or more capacitors in series
2. Disconnect the capacitors from the battery
3. Use the energy stored in the capacitor(s) using the +/o poles
4. Connect the capacitors in parallel and then discharge them into the same battery, using the classic connection (+ and -)

In some websites, we can read that if you charge 2 capacitors in series and discharge them in parallel into the same battery, the battery could be self-recharged. This is done using the + and - poles of the capacitors, not the alternative poles (o and +).
I want to explain that if the battery can be self-recharged using the classic poles of the capacitors and performing the technique described above, and use the alternative poles of the capacitor to perform work before discharging the capacitors in parallel to the same battery, it would be possible to create a very efficient energy generator. But tests must be performed to confirm or discard this hypothesis.

[seth]

My captret still works nicely. I dunno why people come here to disparage it. I wouldnt call it OU (i mean my rep), but its a great gizmo - the joule thief of 12V batteries....lasts what seems like forever. Im having a competition at the mo - which will last longer...the JT or captret on dead batteries (and the super diodes conveniently act as a night light). The JT is already on the second battery, but the captret is lasting forever - great stuff.

Thanks guys. Some people just dont get it - as long as it can be used effectively i like it.

[Magnethos]

New effects noticed

Yesterday I heard of this effect for the first time. I spend a time making some observations.
Some result is that I was able to light the led up to 5 times using the same technique as ibpointless claimed. And then, I was able to light the led using the classic +/- connection.

I also observed that the effect could be replicated without depleting the charge of the capacitor. I mean that when you charge a capacitor then you can discharge it using the o/+ connection, without affecting the "classic" charge (+/-). But if you connect the capacitor (after the discharge of the o/+ connection, but without discharging the +/- connection), again to the battery, then you will be able to light the led again using the o/+ connection. And the important thing here is that you don't need to recharge the capacitor again because the capacitor is charged in the +/- poles. But a second connection of the capacitor to the battery, can cause a recharge in the o/+ pole without affecting the charged that is stored in the +/- pole. So.... The question is if I "recharge" the o/+ pole while the +/- is charged... is any electron flow to the capacitor? am I discharging the battery to charge the o/+ pole?

I also read in Naudin's website that he performed some simple experiment with capacitors and the battery was able to run a motor while it (the battery) was at 0.0 Volts!
Something misunderstood happens with capacitors and batteries... maybe these effects are in some textbooks but we haven't seen at them until now.