Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[Farmhand]

Hi skaght, I think I have a waveform like you describe.

Has anyone else looked at the charging waveform and seen anything like this?

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Is that kind of what you mean above ? It's from my mini three pole quad pulsing per magnet pass.

Cheers

[cikljamas]

I noticed blowup of my NPN to my face, and after that i noticed that my NPN
exploded because my PNP was broken...I noticed that i survived without
any damage on my face, and my ears are well too...So, beware of stingo,
he can be dangerous too...

[skaght]

I've noticed a couple things paying with the circuit. Different resistance is obviously important for different coils, air core or otherwise. Sometimes if you flip the PNP from reverse biased to normal biased (switch collector and emitter) you can get a coil to resonate that didn't before.

I wanted to try to restore a damaged lead acid 12 volt battery with this circuit. I hooked up the charge part of the circuit without a cap and a single diode and it's charging a lead acid battery with a weird waveform. It reminds me of a meyer's water splitting circuit, with two frequencies present. I'm not certain if the battery is oscillating or what, but it's interesting! I tried to take a scope shot, but my digital camera doesn't like my nimh batteries...

Has anyone else looked at the charging waveform and seen anything like this?

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Before I hooked up the battery I had just a single spike. I'm thinking about trying some hydrolysis experiments with the circuit once my battery is charged.

Oh and one last thing! With an AV plug, I could also detect a small amount of power when I was touching the LED leads (adding capacitance with my own body.) The power was much less than a standard SEC exciter, but the effect was present!

[cikljamas]

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Yours already OU if you use it as water warmer .

A little explanation for this ?

Since you have two battery, see if you can charge the bigger battery. Parallel it with cap.

Well, here we are, there is no point to do this because my single "selfcharging"
(not yet selfcharging indeed)battery is already in parallel with capacitor, it
means that i do not use dc filtering capacitor (it should be electrolytic i suppose for that purpose, but i dont know what value you suggest ?)but
running capacitor that i connect in parallel with (after) FWBR, and also in
parallel with battery (just like in bedini motors)...The purpose of that
running capacitor is to increase the voltage of FWBR from 80 to 180 V...

If you want to charge the source battery, how about making another stingo just like what you have now and use the capacitor to power it and charge the battery?

Now that you know how i put my running (not electrolytic, or whatever kind
you use or you think of) capacitor (after/in parallel with FWBR) your above
suggestion is going to be changed i think, but i am very curious in what way...

I don't understand what it means. The capacitor is DC filter. To prevent source positive powering load directly. doubling the efficiency.

I hope you are going to give me answers about this after long time i
hesitate to ask you that : what exactly capacitor you use and what value of that capacitor should be ?...And do you think that i should put
that capacitor anyway though i use my running capacitor ? I tried to use
some electrolytic capacitors after FWBR (does it make sense at all) but
i think that this way i am just blocking output current...I dont know how
it looked like if i put that electrolytic before FWBR (but, does it make
sense too)...

But did you use the version with capacitor?

Dont understand what you mean...

Regards !

[sucahyo]

Yes. It produces a little backspike, but compared to the magnitude of the upspike it's almost nothing.

I see, thanks .

Well, i shot another video with much smaller battery, and three times bigger capacitor...Several hours passed by and voltage of the battery is the same : 11,92...Voltage of the output with this big capacitor is about 200 V...I could put even three times bigger capacitor than this big one, only i have to spend 12 $ for it...What do you think ?
YouTube - stingo romance

Don't buy it yet because we still don't know if we need bigger capacity or bigger voltage.

Yours already OU if you use it as water warmer .

Since you have two battery, see if you can charge the bigger battery. Parallel it with cap.

If you want to charge the source battery, how about making another stingo just like what you have now and use the capacitor to power it and charge the battery?

Creating secondary and charging source is impossible for me because connecting any of secondary terminal to the battery kill oscillation. So I guess second stingo is needed.

Attached is a circuit diagram which is very
similar to the "Stingo" arrangement.

Some important difference that I believe critical for producing radiant effect:
- stingo PNP is triggered by coil spike or something like that
- stingo PNP in inverted mode half the input current requirement
- stingo NPN base only connect to the PNP terminal without route to ground or resistor in between.

That circuit is different from stingo. But feel free to compare result.

My goal is driving transistor with spike, I would prefer the simplest version of stingo if possible.

Sucahyo, please read this post by Gyula and answer me please one thing that i was going to ask you a lot of time but always something disturb my mind : Capacitors in your stingo circuits are shunt capacitors ??? Here is whole Gyula post :

I don't understand what it means. The capacitor is DC filter. To prevent source positive powering load directly. doubling the efficiency.

But did you use the version with capacitor?


I think gyula miss the point. You show that you can make something oscillate without discharging the source battery. If you keep reading same high voltage at the capacitor then the circuit do some work, capacitor will reduce charge if there is nothing to charge them. Meaning there is work to keep charge level of capacitor but you achieve it without discharging source battery.

I think measuring input current is not a big deal. You can hear the stingo sing, the battery voltage do not decrease, and yet the amp meter show positive value. The amp meter must be lying or unable to detect what kept the source battery voltage stand still.

Keep in mind that stingo work differently from other radiant circuit. Stingo consumption reduce with load. So suggestion from other circuit experimenter may not be relevant or applicable to stingo.

Which stingo version that you use? single diode or FWBR recovery?

[cikljamas]

Sucahyo, please read this post by Gyula and answer me please one thing
that i was going to ask you a lot of time but always something disturb
my mind : Capacitors in your stingo circuits are shunt capacitors ???
Here is whole Gyula post :

Hi,

Of course you may charge up higher value capacitors with your circuit. However you have to check if the input current changes when you start with a higher capacitor. And it would be desirable to filter the the input current via a a series choke coil and some thousand uF shunt capacitor if your setup operates by pulsing. The current meter would go say from directly the battery positive to a choke coil (which is at least some milliHenry coil like the ones used in an audio crossovers, these are air core coils so they cannot saturate) and the series choke's other end would go to the circuit positive supply input and at this common positive point you could connect a big value shunting electrolytic capacitor to the negative battery input of the circuit. This way the pulsed current measurement can be improved to get meaningful DC values.
(If you have no high mH air core coils for the chokes, then you can use laminated transformer cored coils where the core can have some air gap like in an E-I shaped lamination format, to prevent or reduce saturation, otherwise the coil cannot 'choke'.)

So if your setup can charge up a 100uF cap to 200V DC while the input current remains around 600-700mA from the 11.9V, then you probably have a COP > 1. I use the word 'probably' because in that case you would have to double or triple check the input current to verify true input power.
Besides using the filters to clean up the current, if you happen to have an oscilloscope then you may wish to use a 1 Ohm resistor in series with the battery (where the current meter is also placed, between the battery and the choke's one end) and measure the voltage drop (hence the waveform) across the 1 Ohm with the scope, so the current can be estimated that way too. I apologize I did not read all the earlier posts from you so that I do not exactly know what is the circuit schematic you use, only I saw the video and your last posts. So I would like to see some schematic or some more description on your circuit. Will have some more time tomorrow to wade through some of the earlier pages to possibly see your circuit if it was included already.

rgds, Gyula

[cikljamas]

@Cikljamas
Hello my friend. Do you have the output from the Stingo going to the capacitor? From the capacitor how do you have it attached to the battery. I have been having the same problem, what to do with the output? It will charge a capacitor. So we know it real energy, but we now need to take that energy and use it. I'm experimenting with this too my friend and will post what I find. Surely there is a way to charge and dump the stored energy from the cap into the batteries.

Well, my friend, you can see in this thread and also in the thread "This is it"
what i am trying to achieve, and that is charging the same battery that is
the source too at the same time...capacitor is in parallel with battery and
with parallel with stingo output (greatz)...If i achieve that with stingo that
would be the best stingo use that we can imagine...Am i right or not ?

[SeaMonkey]

Connection Alternatives

Attached is a circuit diagram which is very
similar to the "Stingo" arrangement.

By studying the circuit connections it may
be possible to try varying certain component
locations in the circuit layout in order to
achieve optimum performance and stability.

[cikljamas]

So it do help? and only a little?

Here is my result with today. Touching the radiant positive output increase output voltage.
YouTube - Touching the radiant output increase output voltage

Too little help, maybe i did something wrong...Watching your video
i am sure that i did something wrong...But we ll see by the time...

Wow, no discharging is a great achievement . I didn't experiment with it yet .

I think the best way to use cap to charge the source is by using relay. However, I wonder if it can kill the transistor if we use high output.

Well, i shot another video with much smaller battery, and three times
bigger capacitor...Several hours passed by and voltage of the battery
is the same : 11,92...Voltage of the output with this big capacitor is
about 200 V...I could put even three times bigger capacitor than this
big one, only i have to spend 12 $ for it...What do you think ?
YouTube - stingo romance

[7imix]

You mean stingo produce spike without a backspike ?

Yes. It produces a little backspike, but compared to the magnitude of the upspike it's almost nothing.

Except since in the radiant recovery part of the circuit the leads are reversed, what I'm describing actually is the backspike... but from the reversed perspective it looks like an upspike...

[sucahyo]

Impulse currents, high voltage, short duration spikes with as sharp a rise and fall time as possible and only one direction, without a backspike.

For replications of Tesla technologies, since impulse currents are what he used the capacitor/spark gap combination to create.

You mean stingo produce spike without a backspike ?

[7imix]

Interesting .
What do you mean correct shape? for what purposes?

Impulse currents, high voltage, short duration spikes with as sharp a rise and fall time as possible and only one direction, without a backspike.

For replications of Tesla technologies, since impulse currents are what he used the capacitor/spark gap combination to create.

[sucahyo]

@greenliving, thanks .

I have had some very interesting results experimenting with the Stingo the last two days. For example voltage increase when load is added. Running DC motors. I will film these results and post them this weekend. Thanks all for posting all of your results.

At load? that is interesting . I look forward for the video .

I tried to connect earth ground with battery plus but it is not of big help

So it do help? and only a little?

Here is my result with today. Touching the radiant positive output increase output voltage.
YouTube - Touching the radiant output increase output voltage

Here is my new video, you can see my "almost OU", and help
with advices how to make that one step more :
YouTube - one more step.avi

Wow, no discharging is a great achievement . I didn't experiment with it yet .

I think the best way to use cap to charge the source is by using relay. However, I wonder if it can kill the transistor if we use high output.






I wonder if you still get no discharging with battery as load. if the source do not get discharged, see if the load get charged.

I did some experiments with my original stingo sparker and the pancake coil I just built.

With the high voltage output hooked up to the coil primary and the spark gap, and one side of the fluorescent bulb hooked up to the center tap of the bifilar coil, the fluorescent lights. One wire transmission.

The stingo produces the correct shape impulses without the spark gap, too, and in the second part of the video I show the fluorescent lighting without the gap sparking.

YouTube - one-wire

Interesting .
What do you mean correct shape? for what purposes?

[7imix]

I did some experiments with my original stingo sparker and the pancake coil I just built.

With the high voltage output hooked up to the coil primary and the spark gap, and one side of the fluorescent bulb hooked up to the center tap of the bifilar coil, the fluorescent lights. One wire transmission.

The stingo produces the correct shape impulses without the spark gap, too, and in the second part of the video I show the fluorescent lighting without the gap sparking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVioMMekviE

[Jiffycoil]

@Cikljamas
Hello my friend. Do you have the output from the Stingo going to the capacitor? From the capacitor how do you have it attached to the battery. I have been having the same problem, what to do with the output? It will charge a capacitor. So we know it real energy, but we now need to take that energy and use it. I'm experimenting with this too my friend and will post what I find. Surely there is a way to charge and dump the stored energy from the cap into the batteries.