Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[cikljamas]

Thanks . How many current a LED need individually without that kind of circuit? maybe with just a 2.2K resistor?

Sorry for asking, my meter do nto go that low.

Well 9/5 is less then 2 mAmps for just one led, but you have to
use 12 V batt., it wont work with lower volts devices, at least
it wont work unless you change values of components, but i am
content with 12 V as source and these component values, and
if you want you could add 5 more leds running your device with just
18 mAmps instead of cutting off number of leds, but everyone should
make his/her own best choice regarding number of leds....

Some suggest C20. For a 1000mAh battery, this means I have to draw only 50mA.

C20 is what exactly ? It seems like you are talking about cop ?
And even if it is so, could you explain it a little bit in context of relay story
that we discuss off ?

[sucahyo]

Yes, with one of them...
I made diagram, here it is, i hope you are going to test it soon !

Thanks . How many current a LED need individually without that kind of circuit? maybe with just a 2.2K resistor?

Sorry for asking, my meter do nto go that low.

What does it mean FULL POWER, and where is the line between full and lower power ?

full power just means the maximum power my circuit can deliver. I don't use it at its most efficienct result too. So I don't expect surprise. But will try to get consistent result, something like this configuration drop A battery from x.xx to y.yy everytime.

Battery known to have better efficiency at low current draw. So using it at full power reduce efficiency.

Some suggest C20. For a 1000mAh battery, this means I have to draw only 50mA.

[cikljamas]

That is great .

Do you compare it with your own Joule thief?

Yes, with one of them...
I made diagram, here it is, i hope you are going to test it soon !

Yes. I already run it right now and found that it is not good idea to run it full power. I will run it again with lower power.

If we can get stable result, this can be used to compare circuit efficiency.[/QUOTE]

What does it mean FULL POWER, and where is the line between full and
lower power ?

[sucahyo]

No, no coil, what astonished me is that one 3V one led little joule thief drains about 70 mAmps which means 70*3= 210 mW, and this one device
that lights 5 leds drains 9 mAmps which is 9*12 = 108 mW, which
means almost twice less consumed current and 10 times (5 leds) less
consumed energy, so you are right, i could open new thread on it but since
i am not sure that there is some catch i just put this picture to joule thief
thread to see what guys there are going to say about this device...

That is great .

Do you compare it with your own Joule thief?

So, this circuit is enough to run stingo/bingo like this :

[/quote]Yes. I already run it right now and found that it is not good idea to run it full power. I will run it again with lower power.

If we can get stable result, this can be used to compare circuit efficiency.

[cikljamas]

That is nice . I think you can make a thread for it. Do it need special coil?
.

No, no coil, what astonished me is that one 3V one led little joule thief drains about 70 mAmps which means 70*3= 210 mW, and this one device
that lights 5 leds drains 9 mAmps which is 9*12 = 108 mW, which
means almost twice less consumed current and 10 times (5 leds) less
consumed energy, so you are right, i could open new thread on it but since
i am not sure that there is some catch i just put this picture to joule thief
thread to see what guys there are going to say about this device...

However I got unconsistent timing, I don't know what cause it, the timing sped up or slow down it self.. I just ignore it and try to switch load and source of two 3V. Will see what happen after hours of run.

Ok, let us know...
So, this circuit is enough to run stingo/bingo like this :
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[sucahyo]

That is nice . I think you can make a thread for it. Do it need special coil?


BTW, here is the exact circuit that I use to drive the relay:


However I got unconsistent timing, I don't know what cause it, the timing sped up or slow down it self.. I just ignore it and try to switch load and source of two 3V. Will see what happen after hours of run.

[cikljamas]

Hi friends, maybe it is not strictly connected with this thread but
i want to show you two of my devices that i made yesterday and
today...

First one is battery saving brightly 5 leds torch which drains just
9 mAmps from 12 V battery, and second one is battery tester
that uses LM 3914 ..

If you like it tell me and i ll post you diagrams and explanation
for 5 leds torch since it is my project developed on the basis
of one converter...

So, this torch if you liked it could be nice present for Christmas...

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Hi Sucahyo today I measured input to circuit and it was giving 70ma input on a 7v solar panel and 4ma out 1000v+ cause it was above meter reading.The thing is I never measured output when it was without but it seem that in cloudy climate the JT is still working cause the neon is lighting bright. Maybe this effect input too.
Ok If you want more info tell me thanks.

Thank you.

Can you test it with load? neon bulb or battery? Both may give different result too.

[Guruji]

JT with cap and FWBR

Hi Sucahyo today I measured input to circuit and it was giving 70ma input on a 7v solar panel and 4ma out 1000v+ cause it was above meter reading.The thing is I never measured output when it was without but it seem that in cloudy climate the JT is still working cause the neon is lighting bright. Maybe this effect input too.
Ok If you want more info tell me thanks.

[sucahyo]

Concerning 555 timer for relay (bingo thread) do you have by the chance some good diagram for that purpose-driving relay while charging the batteries ?

I have this circuit for zapper, but I think I will modify it as relay driver. The resistor and capacitor value need to be changed though.



I will post the circuit after I test it.

[cikljamas]

I confuse again because that is my worst .....

I guess brand can make huge difference, not type .....

Your best is my worst, and vice versa

Could be the brand, who knows, looking the specs for all these
transistors can not help much i suppose, but if we talk about
impression than i must say 3055/2955 makes better impression
on me then 5027/32...

Concerning 555 timer for relay (bingo thread) do you have by
the chance some good diagram for that purpose-driving relay
while charging the batteries ?

Cheers !

[sucahyo]

Dont worry, nothing bad happened, just ordinary electronic surprise , we are going to see a lot of similar surprises in future, which means we can not learn how to swim if we do not jump in to the water, and we can not be dry and swim in the water in the same time, can we ?
So, thanks for care, but i did not waste my money, cause i am gonna use them some day for something else

I see. Thanks for that. Good thing it still usefull for you.

3055/2955

I confuse again because that is my worst .....

I guess brand can make huge difference, not type .....

[cikljamas]

Thanks for letting me know this. I am confuse too. My best is always from Fairchild KSC5027.

Sorry that you have to waste money on that .

Dont worry, nothing bad happened, just ordinary electronic
surprise , we are going to see a lot of similar
surprises in future, which means we can not learn how
to swim if we do not jump in to the water, and we can not
be dry and swim in the water in the same time, can we ?
So, thanks for care, but i did not waste my money, cause
i am gonna use them some day for something else

What is your best transistor combination then?

3055/2955

Rgds !

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo, my friend, i took my ksc 5027, and i even found in one new store tip 32, and i tested stingo and bingo with them, and guess what ?...Much lower efficiency !...There is no reason not to tell you the truth, i was very surprised, but somehow since this transistors are at the first sight weaker i would be more surprised if there was better result with them than with 3055/2955...
But, i tried, i can not say i did not try at least...
Never mind, i use to be surprised in electronics stuffs, only i wonder how you get so good results with ksc 5027 ?

Rgds !

Thanks for letting me know this. I am confuse too. My best is always from Fairchild KSC5027. I have greatest output with KSC5027. I hope this do not happen because I only use one meter to measure input and output.


Sorry that you have to waste money on that .

What is your best transistor combination then?

[sucahyo]

Watson, why don't you try it for real?

Watson's eBlog: November 2010

I came across this schematic through one of the Google Alerts that I received. Actually it was this schematic, but this is just three of the first schematic combined. I started to examine the first schematic, and immediately spotted the 1uF/250V capacitor in series with the diode. BTW, there is no info on what kind of diodes are used. But assuming this diode has no leakage, then when the power is first applied, the capacitor will charge up to the peak voltage, and from that time on, no further current will flow through this capacitor. And if no current flows, then for all practical purposes the capacitor is no longer providing anything to the circuit and could be disconnected with no effect on the circuit. The designer has added parts to the circuit without adding any useful purpose - they are just a waste.

Nope, the cap reduce consumption.

Moving on to the rest of the circuit, I noticed the TIP32C (from now on I will abbreviate these transistors 32 and 31) has its collector connected to the positive and its emitter connected to the 31's base. But 32 is a PNP transistor not an NPN. Therefore the current is flowing backwards through this transistor, and it should not be working as a transistor. It might act like a diode but transistor action would be almost nothing.

Read this thread from page one. Consumption is twice worse with PNP connecting in a normal way. cikljamas replicate and confirm it.

Harvey and Seamonkey mention that as PNP in inverted mode. Some people use it.

The above two gross errors are enough to make the circuit not function correctly. But then there are all those diodes connected to various points which complicate things greatly. I haven't concentrated on any of these, but at first glance some look like they would not be needed.

There are people replicating the circuit exactly like drawn and it work. There are some misunderstanding but the circuit is correct.

Moving back to the present circuit, my point is that the nonfunctional capacitor and diode seem to be an appendage that has been added to confuse the experimenter and obfuscate any attempts to duplicate the design. Or else if I'm reading too much evil intent into this, then instead perhaps the designer does not really know what he is designing and just throws in some parts to see what will happen. And when nothing much happens, just leaves them in the final design, while he's oblivious to what function, if any, the parts might have in the design. In other words, this "Rube Goldberg" has come up with something that through strange, devious, and round about way actually works. But I think that this should be more than obvious because with the present circuit, which was expressly designed to obtain "Free Energy" and in so doing violate the laws of physics, it points directly to the designer's mental point of view. This being that he is going to do something that no one else has done, and come up with the Perpetual Motion Machine.

No such intention. What I post is what I use. The design is inpired by Paulo Correa patents and scope shot at induction heater that show spike produce bouncing wave.

Seeing that 7imix produce sine wave too, using FWBR will capture that.

I am open to suggestion and everyone free to verify it. I prefer if you give comment after replicating.

I never promise free energy with this circuit. What I promise is a radiant circuit with high efficiency and give good result as charger or as spark maker.