Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[sucahyo]

You explain it better .

My panels are rated at about 3.2 amperes at 17v I think (not sure exactly), but if I connect them to a battery that is only 10v I get almost 4 amperes of current flow. Not exact but close to what I seen happen. No cigar for me though.

That is high amperage. If we use stingo to allow charging on any sun condition then that may take 8 stingo if each is 500mA ...

I wonder if stingo will work with mosfet replacing the NPN. Need more care not to make spark at output I think ..................

[Farmhand]

cikljamas, Did you do a power conversion to (watts in - watts out).

If you have just say for example 12v at 100Ma = 1.2 watts input,
and 2.4v at 200Ma = 0.48 watts output. No OU .

But if input is 12v and output 12v and input Ma is less than output Ma you have OU.

I think Ohms law is relevent even though i'm not big on laws.

I can with my solar setup get more Amperes from caps to battery than from the panels to the caps without pulsing(eg steady flow state) but this is because the caps are a couple of volts above the battery.

My panels are rated at about 3.2 amperes at 17v I think (not sure exactly),
but if I connect them to a battery that is only 10v I get almost 4 amperes of current flow. Not exact but close to what I seen happen. No cigar for me though.

Having said that i'm not sure what your input voltage was as compared to output voltage, so I can't comment on your result. I'm a bit foggy today so maybe I missed something. If so sorry. I can't really do anything at the moment so i'm just trying to keep up with whats happening.

Cheers

Edit Sucahyo beat me to it .

[sucahyo]

Hi thanks Sucahyo for response. Which is the circuit cause I saw many and where should the toroid be in the circuit? I should do this.
Thanks.

Toroid used as core for the coil in the diagram. If you see two winding in the diagram, you can ignore the second one if you only want to use it as charger.

Thanks for diagram !
How come you did not comment my stingo overunity ?

My latest congratulation to you is for that video .

You said that three stingo should mean three times more output power, but did you mean that input power stays the same or increase too ?

The input power will increase but not as much. Three stingo will have three times output with input power less than three times .

More experiment here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5645-combining-radiant-output-0-2-0-2-1-5-a.html

post the question in this thread if any.

Which combiner is the best for charging batteries in your opinion ?

Latest one in term of efficiency. I still not sure if it lengthen battery life. I re-verify again yesterday that cap in parallel with battery reduce charge life but also reduce charge time.

When we should use steorn orbo, what is advantage of it ?

Unknown. Some believe it is more efficient than single winding. I still consider rodin, orbo as a possible way. The sure way is simple winding.

Have you ever try to charge cell phone batt., or 2 AA batt., i am charging just right now two AA batt. ...input 240 mA, output 300 mA...It is OU again, but it seems nobody is fascinated with it, it amazes me, is it so common thing that nobody even congratulated me (us, You first of all, of course) ???

Not everyone know what it means then .

For instance, your no discharging video should be more than enough to make anyone puzzled. I am surprise that no one seems to understand it.

To make everyone more convice, you need to show input voltage, input current, output voltage and output current. Then show the calculation of input power compared to output power. Your overunity video do not show that.

While getting more output current is rare, some people would ignore if it do not show voltage in and out.


So, make another video that show your output power is greater than input power. Maybe they will comment it for sure .

[cikljamas]

Here is the diagram for FWBR combiner for three stingo.

Thanks for diagram !
How come you did not comment my stingo overunity ?
You said that three stingo should mean three times more output power,
but did you mean that input power stays the same or increase too ?
Which combiner is the best for charging batteries in your opinion ?
When we should use steorn orbo, what is advantage of it ?

Have you ever try to charge cell phone batt., or 2 AA batt., i am charging just right now two AA batt. ...input 240 mA, output 300 mA...It is OU again, but it seems nobody is fascinated with it, it amazes me, is it so common
thing that nobody even congratulated me (us, You first of all, of course) ???
WEIRD

I even begin to doubt if they even believe it, maybe they think it is fraud,
or if they do not, than the only remain answer is that it is not anything
spectacular...But every OU should be considered spectacular since i can
not remember more then (watkykjys selfcharger) one case on youtube
with obvious OU ???

No comment about it in thread "This is it" too...
I must be missing something, i feel like a stranger in a crowd !!!
YouTube - Elvis presley stranger in the crowd
Might be that Tesla felt like stranger in a crowd too when he came in America, he said that his first impression was that America is 100 years after Europe, but after one month spent in America he found out that America is 100 years before Europe, and it was 100 years ago...

Cheers !

[Guruji]

Stingo circuit

Hi thanks Sucahyo for response. Which is the circuit cause I saw many and where should the toroid be in the circuit? I should do this.
Thanks.

[sucahyo]

Here is the diagram for FWBR combiner for three stingo.

[sucahyo]

To be honest, i must confess i do not understand much of these Bedini words

I translate that as direction not to ignore what seems like a meaningless arrangement.

Since Bedini also mention relation with Edward Leedskalnin, then geometry may be important too. In stingo this means that the wire should not touch or cross each other. But more experiment needed.

Could i use this combination without capacitors, just diodes ?
Could i use this combination with FWBR too, or FWBR doesnt work in this
case ?

This replace FWBR. 1uF/250V capacitor purposes is for better efficiency. Without capacitor, it will not be efficient. Capacitor is important. If you don't have similar capacitor, use any ceramic capacitor (non electrolytic) with biggest value.

When you say if doing with FWBR do you mean that in that case i could connect all FWBR + to one spot, and all FWBR - to other spot or not ?
You see , i am confused about how to put together FWBR and your
diodes and capacitors around charged battery...Do this two things go
together at all, or not, i mean FWBR and that diodes/capacitors combine ?

I refer the FWBR for two stingo to be FWBR combiner. will post the complere circuit later today.

Steorn orbo way ? Should i use google to find out what is that or you have some shorter way to that ?

You wound two coil in the toroid. Each occupy half circle.

Do you know what is the time here ? 6 a. m. Have a good night !

Have some sleep! or better, use stingo to help you sleep .

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

Stingo will be more efficient than joule thief. With FWBR combiner, it will be more than twice more.

those diodes/caps
seems do not improve my stingos output...I even shot a little video about
that :

YouTube - stingo charging

Possible mistakes:
- no capacitor. Capacitor will increase efficiency more than 150%.
- use of low rating diode. You seem to use low rating diode. As result your transistor get hot and the output current is limited.

Wired correctly the output must be at least similar the the sum of each stingo output. If each produce 300mA then three must produce 900mA.

Check the specification of your diode. From the size, I think it only around 100mA. I use diode with 2 Amp rating.


Congratulation that you can get higher output current with lead acid load

[cikljamas]

stingo overunity

Should i comment this ?
YouTube - stingo overunity

[cikljamas]

Raw data posts are not boring, thanks for sharing. Posting an update on progress building and measuring a specific thing helps give inspiration to build the same thing or compare measurements.

Thanks 7imix, you are one of those good guys too !
Now that we finished most of stingos unknowns we can
devote to our selfcharger keeping in mind all these precious
stingo experiences...
But stingo is inexhaustible source of inspiration, which means
that we are going to stick with stingo too as long as people
are going to fall in love with it as i was,though not at the first glance,
but by the time...

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

I dont know about Joule thief circuit, but i can tell you that stingo is
better than Bedinis ssg for charging purposes...And there is also other
purposes that i have not explored yet, but i am going to for sure...
So,Guruji welcome in stingo world !
The best way to learn about stingo is to read all over this thread,
there is quite enough informations about everything that you
could possibly want to know about it !
Furthermore, this thread is not yet so voluminous, so use that
advantage !
Rgds !

[Guruji]

Stingo circuit

Hi guys how much efficient this stingo circuit can be? ~Is this better than a Joule thief circuit for charging in efficiency?
Thanks

[7imix]

Raw data posts are not boring, thanks for sharing. Posting an update on progress building and measuring a specific thing helps give inspiration to build the same thing or compare measurements.

[cikljamas]

I played today again with stingo charger but this time i used your
(Sucahyo) last drawing which is different from that one i showed
in my last video which i printed few months ago...This one is
obviously good one combine...Now i achieved slightly improvement :
about 10 mA (instead previous 360/185 now i have 360/195) charging
lead acid battery...I hope there is going to be even better improvements
charging other kind of batteries...So, it is not much, but however it is
sweet...Thank you once again !
Sorry for my boring posts, but maybe it has to be like that (to bother other
people from time to time or even constantly till one point in time which is achievement of our goal) if we want to get somewhere...
But, there is not so much good patient fellows like you that are willing to
suffer being bother from such pain in the ass guys as i am sometimes, and
that is why i thank you so much so often...
But since i am not rich i can not award you otherwise but with lot of thanks
and sorry !!!
And you see, i also try to redeem myself a little bit by experimenting while
i am waiting your answers so that i bother you as little as it is possible !
Thanks for your understanding too !

Cheers !

[cikljamas]

I decide to redo the experiment with my current charger, two stingo combined, powered with computer power supply at 11.5V. I use latest combiner circuit and I use capacitor in parallel with the load.

Input current with two nicad in series as load = 750mA.
Input current with four nicad in series and parallel as load = 710mA.

YouTube - Test of stingo with parallel output

The difference is very small. But it is there. With 12V battery as load the input current = 1000mA.

Maybe this is the reason for battery bank.

Yes, it works with nicad batteries but try to parallel 12 V lead acid batteries
as load, and you will see just decreasing of charging efficiency, nothing else...
So, i do not believe that it could be reason for battery bank if we talk
(and we do) about 12 V lead acid batteries ! I would be very happy if
it turned out that i am damn wrong !

[cikljamas]

Waiting for your answer i spent great part of this saturday playing with
stingo, trying to give myself those answers that i put yesterday to you,
and trying it the best (PRACTICAL) way...Well, my conclusion is that
the way that i have used stingo until now is the best way...I tried your
diodes/cap. at the output even before but today i put a lot of effort to
make different measurements, and i concluded like i said : those diodes/caps
seems do not improve my stingos output...I even shot a little video about
that :

YouTube - stingo charging

One correction :
There was a little mistake in this video, but it is obvious that i said wrong:
It is 200 mA on the output that i should have said, not 20 mA as i by mistake said !!!

Rgds !

[cikljamas]

But today John Bedini had just mention that using more battery has purposes:
So I still explore it.

To be honest, i must confess i do not understand much of these Bedini
words, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ! Could you stress the main point
of that story ?

You connect it wrong. Use this bellow:

Could i use this combination without capacitors, just diodes ?
Could i use this combination with FWBR too, or FWBR doesnt work in this
case ?

If doing with FWBR combiner more stingo will produce better efficiency thatn individual stingo. With previous COP measurement, I achieve 75% once.

When you say if doing with FWBR do you mean that in that case i could
connect all FWBR + to one spot, and all FWBR - to other spot or not ?
You see , i am confused about how to put together FWBR and your
diodes and capacitors around charged battery...Do this two things go
together at all, or not, i mean FWBR and that diodes/capacitors combine ?

If you have 5 then you can try one with two pole (using half circle) like steorn orbo way.

Steorn orbo way ? Should i use google to find out what is that or you
have some shorter way to that ?

REgards !
Do you know what is the time here ? 6 a. m. Have a good night !