Stingo Solid State Battery Charger

[sucahyo]

Parallel output do reduce consumption

I decide to redo the experiment with my current charger, two stingo combined, powered with computer power supply at 11.5V. I use latest combiner circuit and I use capacitor in parallel with the load.

Input current with two nicad in series as load = 750mA.
Input current with four nicad in series and parallel as load = 710mA.

YouTube - Test of stingo with parallel output

The difference is very small. But it is there. With 12V battery as load the input current = 1000mA.

Maybe this is the reason for battery bank.

[sucahyo]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there

Many thanks . I fail to make it work, but you solve it

It means that there is more current if R is biger, that is what you mean, but somehow it does not work again in practice...Did you check it again ? In theory or in practice ?

I thought that as load battery act as resistor. But I did the parallel output experiment and I did not notice change of input current too. That still weird but that also mean parallel trick do not work.

But today John Bedini had just mention that using more battery has purposes:

If you succeed in building that machine the out come is a burned out crystallized battery, that is why they took his batteries to know if the energy was in them sir. I can not speak for Bit's but the machine was right in front of everybody to see and touch and ask questions. What did I do to save myself at that time was to build the Mono Pole as that was the answer to the DC motor problem.

The problem is that everybody must change things before they learn anything, not my problem is it if you fail. If you have the energy the batteries must be separated that is why you see a dual bank of batteries and current is not the answer either as it stops the production of this energy. So why did I put current meters on everything it's for the eye of the ignorant and I mean it this way (Unaware or uninformed in the truth of things).

So I still explore it.

Are you going to join our efforts to do something about that something more powerfull in my thread "This is it" ?

I read that thread too. I will join if I feel I can contribute. I see the goal is set but the step is not.

I was today in that guys house, and he sold me 5 toroids, 4 $ each...
I told him about Al factor, low permeability, dusty(not rusty as you have written by mistake i guess)iron, and low saturation, and all that is compatible with what we already had agreed about, your informations just confirmed our presumptions...But THANK YOU VERY MUCH all the same !

That is great . But I do mean rusty. Rusted iron is mentioned somewhere on SSG document.

I wound one of them(toroids) today and i tested it too, and results are good indeed !

Nice .

But then i noticed something weird again...
After i put it to test my last free stingo (three others are already connected
together ) with this new wound core i noticed that this one stingo can
achieve the same result as those three stingo that are connected together ?!
I connected them by connecting all FWBR + in one spot, and all FWBR -
in other spot...

You connect it wrong. Use this bellow:


Mine for two


Each of radiant output (between coil and NPN collector) represent R1 to R4. If you still don't understand, I draw the complete one.

Then i asked myself what is the advantage of three stingo comparing that single stingo and i had to conclude that the only advantage is that these three stingo coils do not get worm as the coil of single stingo does only after few minutes of charging ! But it mustnt be just that, am i right ? What do you think, what i am doing wrong ?

If doing with FWBR combiner more stingo will produce better efficiency thatn individual stingo. With previous COP measurement, I achieve 75% once.

I think i know now why my big toroid showed so bad result when i tested it with stingo...This man showed me how these big toroid cores looks like, most of them are assembled of those thin ferrite plates, and we know now that ferrite cores are no good for stingo, as they are no good for Bob Boyce toroids too, they must be of dusty iron...And he said he does not have these big toroids composed of dusty iron, but he knows one guy who knows where i could find these dusty iron bigcores too...
I will call him next week since he promised me he was going to ask that man about that information...

I don't know much about core, so I really appreciate that .

Do you think that if we obtained such kind of big cores we should try Bob Boyce project or we need something more special cores for that purpose ?

It worth to try. I think what you just obtain is enough.

If you have 5 then you can try one with two pole (using half circle) like steorn orbo way.


BTW, I just notice that Bob Boyce use insulated wire.

For the great majority of systems, the secondary winding is a tightly wound, single layer, full-fill wrap of 16 gauge, single-core, silver-plated, teflon-insulated copper wire. There will be about 133 turns in this winding, though it can vary from 127 to 147 turns due to manufacturing tolerances in the insulation. This will need a wire length of about 100 feet, and the whole of the toroid is covered by this ‘secondary’ winding.

For me this is as important as this bellow:
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You can see the machine running because of the blur. He had switched it to charge mode. In about five minutes the batteries were charged and he tried to get everyone up there and past it while it was running . I think he wanted everyone to feel the energy around the machine. It permeated your whole body! My jacket was vibrating!

[cikljamas]

I see. That is weird.
I thought that by paralleling battery we get reduced input. I will check again.

In that Ossie Calahans REAC he use dipol of sulphated dead batteries
connected in series, not parallel, maybe it can give you some clue...
Let me think audibly : R = U/I ...I = U * R...It means that there is more
current if R is biger, that is what you mean, but somehow it does not work
again in practice...Did you check it again ? In theory or in practice ?

For a circuit that consume 350mA, that is good . Agree that we need something more powerfull. hex controller charger produce at least 4 times.

Are you going to join our efforts to do something about that something
more powerfull in my thread "This is it" ?

I was today in that guys house, and he sold me 5 toroids, 4 $ each...
I told him about Al factor, low permeability, dusty(not rusty as you have
written by mistake i guess)iron, and low saturation, and all that is
compatible with what we already had agreed about, your informations
just confirmed our presumptions...But THANK YOU VERY MUCH all the same !

I wound one of them(toroids) today and i tested it too, and results are good indeed !
But then i noticed something weird again...
After i put it to test my last free stingo (three others are already connected
together ) with this new wound core i noticed that this one stingo can
achieve the same result as those three stingo that are connected together ?!
I connected them by connecting all FWBR + in one spot, and all FWBR -
in other spot...
Then i asked myself what is the advantage of three stingo comparing that
single stingo and i had to conclude that the only advantage is that these
three stingo coils do not get worm as the coil of single stingo does only
after few minutes of charging ! But it mustnt be just that, am i right ?
What do you think, what i am doing wrong ?

I think i know now why my big toroid showed so bad result when i tested
it with stingo...This man showed me how these big toroid cores looks like,
most of them are assembled of those thin ferrite plates, and we know
now that ferrite cores are no good for stingo, as they are no good for
Bob Boyce toroids too, they must be of dusty iron...And he said he does not
have these big toroids composed of dusty iron, but he knows one guy
who knows where i could find these dusty iron bigcores too...
I will call him next week since he promised me he was going to ask that
man about that information...

Do you think that if we obtained such kind of big cores we should try
Bob Boyce project or we need something more special cores for that
purpose ?

Rgds!

[7imix]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there
here is the "part list" to paste into the import window
if anyone else would like to try it out
(but like me don't have the time right now to do it in real life)

awesome. I also tried the stingo in a simulator and was pleased to see it work. Thanks for sharing your layout!

[nilrehob]

I tried the stingo circuit from this post http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111897
in the falstad simulator http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
and it seems to work fine even there
here is the "part list" to paste into the import window
if anyone else would like to try it out
(but like me don't have the time right now to do it in real life)

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v 576 304 576 240 0 0 40.0 12.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
t 352 272 320 272 0 1 0.5808987661001339 0.7294684941495628 100.0
t 480 208 480 240 0 -1 -0.6345308925987503 10.636000613251687 100.0
w 496 240 496 272 0
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w 320 208 320 240 0
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w 320 304 400 304 0
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w 464 144 320 144 0
w 464 240 464 144 0
w 176 144 128 144 0
w 176 208 176 176 0
w 240 176 240 144 0
w 240 208 240 240 0
w 176 240 96 240 0
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w 96 144 128 144 0
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o 2 64 0 35 2560.0 0.8 0 -1
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don't miss to copy the last line-break

/Hob

[sucahyo]

Yes, i do not observe less consumption neither more efficient output !

I see. That is weird.

I thought that by paralleling battery we get reduced input. I will check again.

Regarding undischarged source battery, i would not hesitate to boast if i succeeded to achieve OU for real, unfortunately it was just 5 min. of delusion...
Output battery get charged but for price of 50-60 or in some cases even 99 % of efficiency and if we want OU in selfcharging manner (one source and charging batt. in the same time) then we have to have clear COP > 1 not just close to that or even COP = 1, it is no good too, it has to be COP > 1 to make sense whole stuff like this Waykjyky hex controlled charger...

For a circuit that consume 350mA, that is good . Agree that we need something more powerfull. hex controller charger produce at least 4 times.

Tomorrow i got appointment with one guy who has factory that produce toroids, he asked me what kind of cores i need, i said
high frequencies cores, did i answer well ?
Since i do not have equipment to measure Hz i do not know exactly what frequencies stingo produce, can you help me about that ? Hey we speak in real time, it is awesome !

.

That is very nice that you can ask what kind of toroid to use . Unfortunately, I can not give sure answer. Bob Boyce use low permeability core. Bedini suggest rusty iron. Aspden suggest core that do not easily saturated.

At the spec it seem the one Bob Boyce use (Micrometals T650-52) have the biggest AL, nH/N2 = 434, whatever that means:
Toroidal Cores, Micrometals Toroidal Cores - Power Conversion Products :: Infantron Singapore

The stingo can work between 100Hz to 500kHz depend on coil winding and impedance.

[cikljamas]

You mean you do not observe less consumption or more efficient output? Did you still get undischarged source battery?

Would the output battery get charged?

Yes, i do not observe less consumption neither more efficient output !
Regarding undischarged source battery, i would not hesitate to boast
if i succeeded to achieve OU for real, unfortunately it was just 5 min.
of delusion...
Output battery get charged but for price of 50-60 or in some cases
even 99 % of efficiency and if we want OU in selfcharging manner
(one source and charging batt. in the same time) then we have to
have clear COP > 1 not just close to that or even COP = 1, it is no
good too, it has to be COP > 1 to make sense whole stuff like this
Waykjyky hex controlled charger...

Louder do not means greater output.

Yeah, louder very probably means lesser output !

Tomorrow i got appointment with one guy who has factory that
produce toroids, he asked me what kind of cores i need, i said
high frequencies cores, did i answer well ?
Since i do not have equipment to measure Hz i do not know exactly
what frequencies stingo produce, can you help me about that ?
Hey we speak in real time, it is awesome !
Rgds !

[sucahyo]

I tried today with 3 batteries(charging) in parallel...Nothing happened... No better results.

You mean you do not observe less consumption or more efficient output? Did you still get undischarged source battery?

Would the output battery get charged?

Listen this : Yesterday i found out that first two toroid cores that i use for stingo was of wrong composite (probably ferrite ones), that is why my first stingos have whistled so loud...After i made a next few stingos a become able to notice the difference between their sounds...That is how i discovered another thing...I put two coils to one stingo for the same reason : bad cores = bad performances...The puzzle is resolved ! You remember my complain about stingo loudness ? Now, we have the explanation even for that...But, how come i accidentally do not stumble
across some OU discovery ?

Thanks for the info. Yes, the core can make it sing louder.

About the OU, thousands of people have been using toroid but only very few ever claim OU. Don't worry too much . Louder do not means greater output.

[cikljamas]

Yes, try charging paralel battery first, as many as you can. No need to test 24V, If you can explode transistor with 12V, it will be easier in 24V.

I tried today with 3 batteries(charging) in parallel...Nothing happened...
No better results...Then i checked that Ossie Callahan REAC (radiant
energy accumulator converter) in my papers and the interesting thing
is that his REAC works with dead - sulphated lead acid batteries but
connected in series not parallel with charging battery...But
since i noticed that his circuit doesnt work good in the first place,
i have not continued with his project...He used a lot of bad words
commenting bedini ssg, but i think his circuit is much worse than
Bedinis...

How many meter of wire that you use?

Did you use PCB?

Between 6 and 10 m, depends of toroid core...
I do not use pcb for stingo, but thanks for warning !
Listen this : Yesterday i found out that first two toroid cores that i use
for stingo was of wrong composite (probably ferrite ones), that is why
my first stingos have whistled so loud...After i made a next few stingos
a become able to notice the difference between their sounds...That is
how i discovered another thing...I put two coils to one stingo for the
same reason : bad cores = bad performances...The puzzle is resolved !
You remember my complain about stingo loudness ? Now, we have the
explanation even for that...But, how come i accidentally do not stumble
across some OU discovery ?

[sucahyo]

Yeah I'm glad I caught that. It was an anomaly. Eric dollard talks about the four waveforms, dc, ac, impulse current, and oscillating current where the oscillations are damped out over time. That transformer has such a big iron core, my guess is the impulses were generating oscillations which took a little while to damp.

What make me interested is, in TPU, the sine wave represent the free energy.

Can you make the sine wave connect to the next wave? Some say this can be dangerous condition, so, becareful.

What condition needed for the longest sine wave?

How many ohm the primary and the secondary of the transformer?



@Jiffycoil, what is the orientation of the magnet? the pole is being rotated or the pole become the axist of rotation?


Whoops, the result bellow happen because one connection is broken. Ignore this. There is no way a meter can read a single wire result reliably.

Without 100K, my stingo can not charge a 10000uF capacitor.

BTW, today I found out that digital meter unable to read my stingo output. It give impossibly high value. I am sure the reading are too high because the charged battery voltage do not change.
YouTube - Digital meter is not reliable to measure stingo output

circuit:


Tuning is impossible for this circuit ....

Edit: Without the 100K resistor, it seems that both transistor get hot quicker.

[7imix]

Interesting. I rather surprise with the scope shot. Where that sine wave coming from .....

Yeah I'm glad I caught that. It was an anomaly. Eric dollard talks about the four waveforms, dc, ac, impulse current, and oscillating current where the oscillations are damped out over time. That transformer has such a big iron core, my guess is the impulses were generating oscillations which took a little while to damp.

[sucahyo]

I did some experimenting oscillating some transformers I ripped out of wall wart plugs. It's pretty impressive what the stingo will do to it with only 5 volts.

YouTube - Stingo driving wall wart transformer

Interesting. I rather surprise with the scope shot. Where that sine wave coming from .....

Here they are :

YouTube - Stingo Neo Spinner

YouTube - Stingo and the Hover magnet

Nice . Hovering magnet show we don't need bearing . I wonder how that can happen.....

[Jiffycoil]

Stingo Neo Spinner Stingo and the Hover magnet

Here they are :

YouTube - Stingo Neo Spinner

YouTube - Stingo and the Hover magnet

[7imix]

I did some experimenting oscillating some transformers I ripped out of wall wart plugs. It's pretty impressive what the stingo will do to it with only 5 volts.

YouTube - Stingo driving wall wart transformer

[sucahyo]

So, if i understood you well, i should use as source two primary batt. connected in series, and charge two other batt. connected in parallel ?...I will try just to see what will happen to charge two charging batt. in parallel, but only with one primary batt...If you think that 24 V will not jeopardize transistors of stingo than i will try two primarys in series too...I lost several tip 3055 and tip 2955 , and they are 1.5 $ each here, so...

That is expensive ..., I get a pair for that price. I prefer to use TIP32C/TIP31C at $0.2 each.

Yes, try charging paralel battery first, as many as you can. No need to test 24V, If you can explode transistor with 12V, it will be easier in 24V.

I recall Bedini mention we can only notice it with big battery. He use many big battery in parallel. Maybe he get OU because his 10 monopole reduce consumption with load and the load has low impedance from being parallelled.

I think we do not need to put it in series if we already observe COP>1 with parallel. If you have a lot battery, try switching parallel output with parallel input around.

Well, i made today just one stingo (not two, as i thought i was going to make yesterday), it took me 3 hours for winding toroid, and 1 hour for soldering stingo...

How many meter of wire that you use?

Did you use PCB?

I avoid PCB because:
- Bob Boyce mention that PCB may have effect on operation
- PCB take space
- soldering directly is faster for me

And i tried this new stingo with that big toroid, and i am not content with results, just about 30 % efficiency, maybe wrong wire or wrong number of wounds, or both, who knows.

I see. Too bad I can not suggest anything for that.

But after i conclude that it is it, i am going to try other stingo variants...First of all it is going to be that radiant sleeping aid of course !

I would love to hear the result .

So I placed it on top a small plastic tube inside the tube the pancake coil is wound on and the magnet spun up and ran like a single magnet Bedini motor. I was amazed by this. Has anyone else had this experience. I filmed the small magnet spinning if anyone would like to see it.

I would love to see the video too .